agip wrote:
Hey right wing first amendment people!
There is a government official who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - he is threatening government action to prevent the exercise of free speech.
Maybe you want to look into it.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1265601611310739456?s=21
Has there ever been an emptier threat than Trump threatening to shut down Twitter?
Fat hurts wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
https://twitter.com/jarrednair/status/1265573822348099584?s=21Are we sure that's not photoshopped? I'm suspicious.
If we are not sure that is not the same person, than this is a very irresponsible thing to post.
There are enough true awful things about that and Trump. No need to spread anything false, even unintentionally.
agip wrote:
Hey right wing first amendment people!
There is a government official who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - he is threatening government action to prevent the exercise of free speech.
Maybe you want to look into it.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1265601611310739456?s=21
Yes, this is the problem you get when your citizenry is too stupid to understand through rational inquiry what is worth believing, and what is not. D’s make people stupid via control of public education, and now Trump rightly uses that as a justification for censorship.
You reap what you sow.
Unfortunately the electorate isn’t getting any smarter any time soon, so this cycle will perpetuate, and worsen. Neither half of the Uniparty can stand it when the shoe is on the other foot, which happens cyclically. Memories are bitter, and retribution becomes legitimated.
If one is in the US and does not subscribe to either half of the Uniparty or condone Uniparty conduct, one has no place in the society—or a marginal place, at best. Such a stultifying dead end. Trump has actually been an interesting exercise, because he’s no classic R at all—he really does think independently of the Uniparty. Unfortunately he is at times hugely hypocritical, and does nothing more than pilot the Uniparty on its direct course for the cliff, while pressing down hard on the accelerator.
This reveals him to be a mere politician and not a statesman. Of course the aim is now to win the political election, but he has always been electioneering. If he wins, we will see if he goes off the rails in his second term, like his predecessor did. My prediction is that of course he will, because it would be what the stupid electorate wants, and fully expects.
A minor ray of hope for America rests in the demise of the trash MSM and the rise of shows like Joe Rogan—although he has now been bought, so we’ll see what happens there. There are others with less fancy guest lists, but they are slowly growing, giving at least some hope.
Note that he advocates for neither the obstreperous Trump nor the senile Biden.
Voter wrote:
agip wrote:
Hey right wing first amendment people!
There is a government official who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - he is threatening government action to prevent the exercise of free speech.
Maybe you want to look into it.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1265601611310739456?s=21Yes, this is the problem you get when your citizenry is too stupid to understand through rational inquiry what is worth believing, and what is not. D’s make people stupid via control of public education, and now Trump rightly uses that as a justification for censorship.
You reap what you sow.
Unfortunately the electorate isn’t getting any smarter any time soon, so this cycle will perpetuate, and worsen. Neither half of the Uniparty can stand it when the shoe is on the other foot, which happens cyclically. Memories are bitter, and retribution becomes legitimated.
If one is in the US and does not subscribe to either half of the Uniparty or condone Uniparty conduct, one has no place in the society—or a marginal place, at best. Such a stultifying dead end. Trump has actually been an interesting exercise, because he’s no classic R at all—he really does think independently of the Uniparty. Unfortunately he is at times hugely hypocritical, and does nothing more than pilot the Uniparty on its direct course for the cliff, while pressing down hard on the accelerator.
This reveals him to be a mere politician and not a statesman. Of course the aim is now to win the political election, but he has always been electioneering. If he wins, we will see if he goes off the rails in his second term, like his predecessor did. My prediction is that of course he will, because it would be what the stupid electorate wants, and fully expects.
A minor ray of hope for America rests in the demise of the trash MSM and the rise of shows like Joe Rogan—although he has now been bought, so we’ll see what happens there. There are others with less fancy guest lists, but they are slowly growing, giving at least some hope.
Note that he advocates for neither the obstreperous Trump nor the senile Biden.
uniparty?
one of the things the trump admin has made completely clear is that there is a massive difference between D and R in terms of how government is run.
Joe rogan ? He has said Apollo was a fake, that the US government killed JFK, that aliens are at Roswell. that Trump is correct on 'obamagate.'
He's a media clown out for your advertising dollars, throwing clickbait for morans who want to feel they don't have to choose blue or red.
Voter wrote:
If one is in the US and does not subscribe to either half of the Uniparty or condone Uniparty conduct, one has no place in the society—or a marginal place, at best. Such a stultifying dead end.
I'm sure you're relieved to be leaving, then. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
His best attribute is that he subscribes to neither D nor R garbage, but has his own instead.
Gov is run exactly the same way. Exactly. To say otherwise is laughable. You can’t see that because you are within the system and have no outside perspective. To get said perspective you need to leave the country for a long time, then come back and take a look around, and talk to people.
You would be shocked and probably appalled by how you sound. Disappointed, for sure.
Voter wrote:
His best attribute is that he subscribes to neither D nor R garbage, but has his own instead.
Gov is run exactly the same way. Exactly. To say otherwise is laughable. You can’t see that because you are within the system and have no outside perspective. To get said perspective you need to leave the country for a long time, then come back and take a look around, and talk to people.
You would be shocked and probably appalled by how you sound. Disappointed, for sure.
No one with any knowledge should say that the open corruption of the Trump admin is the same as during the Obama years. No one who reads a newspaper could think that. Your saying it makes me think you are a troll and therefore someone to be ignored. Prove me wrong.
As for Rogan, no. Just because a conspiracy theorist show business guy isn't clearly blue or red doesn't make what he says worth more. Or worth anything. Rogan is still a conspiracy theorist show business guy. Just with a different marketing plan.
agip wrote:
Voter wrote:
His best attribute is that he subscribes to neither D nor R garbage, but has his own instead.
Gov is run exactly the same way. Exactly. To say otherwise is laughable. You can’t see that because you are within the system and have no outside perspective. To get said perspective you need to leave the country for a long time, then come back and take a look around, and talk to people.
You would be shocked and probably appalled by how you sound. Disappointed, for sure.
No one with any knowledge should say that the open corruption of the Trump admin is the same as during the Obama years. No one who reads a newspaper could think that. Your saying it makes me think you are a troll and therefore someone to be ignored. Prove me wrong.
As for Rogan, no. Just because a conspiracy theorist show business guy isn't clearly blue or red doesn't make what he says worth more. Or worth anything. Rogan is still a conspiracy theorist show business guy. Just with a different marketing plan.
If you make up your own facts, you can really believe and say anything.
Libertarian Centrist wrote:
agip wrote:
No one with any knowledge should say that the open corruption of the Trump admin is the same as during the Obama years. No one who reads a newspaper could think that. Your saying it makes me think you are a troll and therefore someone to be ignored. Prove me wrong.
As for Rogan, no. Just because a conspiracy theorist show business guy isn't clearly blue or red doesn't make what he says worth more. Or worth anything. Rogan is still a conspiracy theorist show business guy. Just with a different marketing plan.
If you make up your own facts, you can really believe and say anything.
yes, mag@s do that. It's a serious problem.
trump is the king of this - he makes up facts, forces his staff to believe them, and fires them if they don't.
agip wrote:
Libertarian Centrist wrote:
If you make up your own facts, you can really believe and say anything.
yes, mag@s do that. It's a serious problem.
trump is the king of this - he makes up facts, forces his staff to believe them, and fires them if they don't.
Well said.
Voter wrote:
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A minor ray of hope for America rests in the demise of the trash MSM and the rise of shows like Joe Rogan—although he has now been bought, so we’ll see what happens there. There are others with less fancy guest lists, but they are slowly growing, giving at least some hope.
Note that he advocates for neither the obstreperous Trump nor the senile Biden.
So, a "ray of hope" is an individual whose claim to being taken seriously is that he is a comedian and showman? Oh, but wait, he supports neither Trump nor Biden . . . therefore he must be a serious intellectual.
SMH - So many morons. So little time.
Voter wrote:
His best attribute is that he subscribes to neither D nor R garbage, but has his own instead.
What more needs be said?
Fox News and Republicans actually questioning the Trump administration's firings of Inspectors General.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/grassley-says-white-house-failed-to-explain-why-igs-were-fired
Trump is going to be mad and look for another news network to say only nice things about him.
agip wrote:
Voter wrote:
His best attribute is that he subscribes to neither D nor R garbage, but has his own instead.
Gov is run exactly the same way. Exactly. To say otherwise is laughable. You can’t see that because you are within the system and have no outside perspective. To get said perspective you need to leave the country for a long time, then come back and take a look around, and talk to people.
You would be shocked and probably appalled by how you sound. Disappointed, for sure.
No one with any knowledge should say that the open corruption of the Trump admin is the same as during the Obama years. No one who reads a newspaper could think that. Your saying it makes me think you are a troll and therefore someone to be ignored. Prove me wrong.
As for Rogan, no. Just because a conspiracy theorist show business guy isn't clearly blue or red doesn't make what he says worth more. Or worth anything. Rogan is still a conspiracy theorist show business guy. Just with a different marketing plan.
There is no burden on me to prove you wrong. Yours is a position, a bias—not an argument. There is nothing to argue against, the only gair response would be an equally naked expression of bias, whether I agreed with you or not. Instead of me proving you wrong, I will continue to let you prove me right.
You can’t even stick with your own premise—the way the govt is run. The only way your statements make sense is if you think the current govt is run largely, or exclusively, via corruption. If that is not your premise, then in order to make any sense you need to address how the current govt is run. If it is your premise, then we are in agreement on that premise.
Regarding Rogan, what is important is the quality and significance of those he interviews, and what they say and think—not what Rogan says and thinks. He works to frame and shape his interviews just like anyone else, but he is both seemingly flexible and good-natured about where the interviewee wishes to go. This quality results in interviews superior to what appears on MSM. I did not say he was great, I said that he and his ilk represent a glimmer of hope.
Trump's most recent tirade against twitter, claiming that he will shut them down for violating his 1st amendment rights, should be the final indication for any reasonable American that Trump has totally lost his marbles. Just in case any of the (hundreds of) previous transgressions didn't do it for you.
Unfortunately reason among Americans is in short supply these days.
P wrote:
Voter wrote:
. . .
A minor ray of hope for America rests in the demise of the trash MSM and the rise of shows like Joe Rogan—although he has now been bought, so we’ll see what happens there. There are others with less fancy guest lists, but they are slowly growing, giving at least some hope.
Note that he advocates for neither the obstreperous Trump nor the senile Biden.
So, a "ray of hope" is an individual whose claim to being taken seriously is that he is a comedian and showman? Oh, but wait, he supports neither Trump nor Biden . . . therefore he must be a serious intellectual.
SMH - So many morons. So little time.
You guys evidence another American peculiarity—instead of engaging in an argument you cannot win, or if there is no real argument to be had, you raise an entirely different issue on which you can win because it is a slam dunk.
The thing is that you try to use this new argument as a proxy for the one you cannot win, or you use it to create a winnable conflict where none existed.
I never said Rogan was an intellectual titan, he certainly is not. I even alluded to this by saying he has his own garbage, a subtlety which escaped you people as you mistakenly tried to use it against me. You are so ready to fight that you will work to create one where none exists.
Sadly it’s yet another example of the same modus operandi. You are stagnant as a political culture, and appear to enjoy it that way.
Voter wrote:
P wrote:
So, a "ray of hope" is an individual whose claim to being taken seriously is that he is a comedian and showman? Oh, but wait, he supports neither Trump nor Biden . . . therefore he must be a serious intellectual.
SMH - So many morons. So little time.
You guys evidence another American peculiarity—instead of engaging in an argument you cannot win, or if there is no real argument to be had, you raise an entirely different issue on which you can win because it is a slam dunk.
The thing is that you try to use this new argument as a proxy for the one you cannot win, or you use it to create a winnable conflict where none existed.
I never said Rogan was an intellectual titan, he certainly is not. I even alluded to this by saying he has his own garbage, a subtlety which escaped you people as you mistakenly tried to use it against me. You are so ready to fight that you will work to create one where none exists.
Sadly it’s yet another example of the same modus operandi. You are stagnant as a political culture, and appear to enjoy it that way.
Here's the argument, numbnut. Joe Rogan is no better than any other source of media. In fact, he is in many ways worse. He is biased and nonfactual. He allows his guests to posit ridiculous arguments as if they were fact with zero push back or fact checking.
The best you can do is read Fox News, CNN, and BBC for each issue. The truth is usually somewhere in the intersection of all of those. If something doesn't pass the sniff test, find another source from the other side of the isle.
Worse than his leading the birther investligation and he's president now:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265624335898869760?s=20
The man is demented.
L L wrote:
The man is demented.
Does he actually believe it -Joe drove through the night, snuck up on the intern slammed her head against her desk and drove back at light speed to set up his alibi- or does he think it will rile up his base?
Twitter should put a factcheck on the Scarborough tweets.