How can he be blacklisted? Will meets not allow his team to enter meets? I don't think they could exclude them. He certainly can't be excluded from conference or nationals.
Socially blacklisted
Just occurred to me, perhaps all meets they enter him in could just create an "elite" heat for SC.... with a field size of 1, hahahaha. I guess you're supposed to have a minimum of 3? OK, then maybe they plug in two guys who are 15:45 5K'ers to fill the field. Honestly, this could be the way forward if he's not given the boot soon.
Ryan Wilson ran 3:55 (mile) and 1:46 indoors…but him staying makes sense. However, Rowan isn’t exactly MIT.
I also don’t believe their top athletes pay anything
Right, that’s what I believe too. You cannot get me to believe that a kid running 1:47 is paying his way to run at Rowan, just like you can’t get me to believe that they have two true freshmen long-jumping 25’ and high-jumping 7’2” that are paying their way in full, either.
Rowan (and to a lesser extent, UW-Lax) are shady as hell in this regard. Since it’s almost impossible to directly prove that these kids got money for athletics — I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to leave a paper trail about it — these schools push it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s a huge difference between someone starting at D1 and moving down vs. someone starting at D3 and staying there even as other options might come available.
My thinking is - what is the most likely reason? Athletes who could get money to go to other - including better academically and/or athletically - schools willingly pay full price to go to Rowan (since d3 allegedly can’t offer athletic money)? It doesn’t make any sense to me. Ergo, I think they’re being offered money, in some way.
Nah. Not buying it. There is no way that a 1:47 kid should be running D3, and if he is, I would be shocked if he’s paying his way there.
If he wanted help from his Dad, guess what, there are lots of D1/D2 schools within an hour. Going to Rowan looks suspicious at the very best.
You’re underestimating how much a certain Rowan coach wants a national title
That he’d let his guy basically be coached by someone else in the name of winning
also another 800m runner on the squad was an old HS rival of Blaik. Person to person connections help this stuff.
Seth had the same human connection element with his brother going here, and that same Rowan coach really wanted to recruit him when he was a senior, thought his brother was a good foot in the door, and hey he did get him a few years later…with this extra scrutiny
look the guy has been advertising to recruits that they will “try to win nationals next year” you can see how easy it is to jump to extremes when you want that
Right, that’s what I believe too. You cannot get me to believe that a kid running 1:47 is paying his way to run at Rowan, just like you can’t get me to believe that they have two true freshmen long-jumping 25’ and high-jumping 7’2” that are paying their way in full, either.
Rowan (and to a lesser extent, UW-Lax) are shady as hell in this regard. Since it’s almost impossible to directly prove that these kids got money for athletics — I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to leave a paper trail about it — these schools push it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s a huge difference between someone starting at D1 and moving down vs. someone starting at D3 and staying there even as other options might come available.
My thinking is - what is the most likely reason? Athletes who could get money to go to other - including better academically and/or athletically - schools willingly pay full price to go to Rowan (since d3 allegedly can’t offer athletic money)? It doesn’t make any sense to me. Ergo, I think they’re being offered money, in some way.
Yeah, I do as well.
In the case of UW-Lax, you can point to Andrew Rock and Sam Blaskowski and say, alright, whatever they're doing here, clearly it works.
In the case of MIT, or Hopkins, or any number of other D3 schools, clearly it's about the education. IIRC MIT had some kid who was a two-time NON champ (looked it up, Kenneth Wei) who I'm sure is now a rocket scientist or something.
For Rowan? Who knows. All four of the kids I'm referencing are from NJ originally, so I'm sure to some extent it's home cooking (and the fact that, like WI, NJ has almost zero D2 presence) but there definitely isn't the same pipeline, and certainly not for distance. So yeah, to choose Rowan, you just can't convince me that someone is paying full sticker price to go there when they could get money to go almost anywhere else.
Betting dollars to donuts that ISU did NOT do an EPO screen, only a normal steroid/rec drugs screen. Unless SC is willing to post the results of said test, I will err on the side of "things that never happened for $800, Alex."
Well, we're talking about Rowan, not ISU, but yeah. My guess is that ISU suspended him from the team pending a larger investigation, SC split knowing that it wouldn't resolve in his favor, then went to Rowan and said "Nah, I left, my decision" and they were happy enough with that (misleading at best) explanation.
Again, all of this is just conversation that distracts from what it is the obvious point here: SC is blocking the release of information from ISU that would immediately clear his name, and it's only natural to ask why.
Forgive me, perhaps I have it backwards, but I thought the info put out was that ISU had given him a test (prob long after he was warned they were watching him), but I was unaware of any claims that Rowan had drug tested him. Still doubt they did an EPO test, unless explicitly stated, w/ proof.
Nah. Not buying it. There is no way that a 1:47 kid should be running D3, and if he is, I would be shocked if he’s paying his way there.
If he wanted help from his Dad, guess what, there are lots of D1/D2 schools within an hour. Going to Rowan looks suspicious at the very best.
You’re underestimating how much a certain Rowan coach wants a national title
That he’d let his guy basically be coached by someone else in the name of winning
also another 800m runner on the squad was an old HS rival of Blaik. Person to person connections help this stuff.
Seth had the same human connection element with his brother going here, and that same Rowan coach really wanted to recruit him when he was a senior, thought his brother was a good foot in the door, and hey he did get him a few years later…with this extra scrutiny
look the guy has been advertising to recruits that they will “try to win nationals next year” you can see how easy it is to jump to extremes when you want that
Well, Rowan's coach was also the one who lobbied HARD to get NYU placed in the Niagara region instead of the Metro so that their path would be easier so yeah, I believe that.
I'd be a little bit surprised if Dimit was the one behind all of this, since he's from Grove City and if you've ever spent time in Western PA, you'd know that Grove City is churchy as hell. It's basically a northern Liberty.
How do you know for a fact he refused to sign disclosure forms? Unless something has changed in the last 4 hours, he most certainly hasn't signed the one Jonathan Gault presented him. But did Rowan also present him one?
That to me would have been an easy and correct thing for Rowan to do. Maybe they did. I highly doubt it, but we have no idea as basically Rowan and Iowa State are keeping their mouths shut and not saying anything of substance.
But if I was coaching a program and a kid wanted to transfer to my school under these circumstances, there is a zero percent chance I'd let him run for me unless I 100% talked to the previous coach and got the full story - or at least that coach's full version of it. If they wouldn't tell it to me for privacy reasons, then I'd pass.
This doesn't give me much hope that this article is going to do much. I'm obviously glad you're shining a light on it, but this basically confirms that both ISU and Rowan are going to basically plead the 5th.
Rowan stinks to high heaven at every step of this. Seth finishes 21st and he's paying his way to run at a D3 commuter school? Slavinski runs 1:47 for Clemson last year and that's where he wants to go, to run the NJAC against Rutgers-Newark? Meanwhile they've got a true freshman high-jumping 7'2" and another one long-jumping 25'. You can never, ever convince me that all of these kids are at Rowan purely for academic reasons. Never.
i don’t think it’s fair to drag other rowan athletes into this. there’s countless other athletes over the years you can make this claim about in regards to the d3 school they chose to attend. sam blaskowski ran 10.1 as a freshman and chose to pay his way through uwl for 4 years. alex rhodes ran 46 as a freshman and returned to puget sound for his sophomore year.
Seth is a reflection of the Iowa State program. That’s why ISU won’t say anything. They know that this would open them up to more and more of the layers that are behind this. Seth won’t say anything because it’s him vs an athletic department with 100s of millions of dollars. And as previously stated he reflects Iowa State culture. Say nothing and it will go away. But it’s not going away now. The one assistant got out of there, I’d expect more to follow and if they ever hire a women’s coach again I would expect to be there a very short period of time.
I'd be a little bit surprised if Dimit was the one behind all of this, since he's from Grove City and if you've ever spent time in Western PA, you'd know that Grove City is churchy as hell. It's basically a northern Liberty.
Huh? What does being "churchy" have to do with anything?
I'd be a little bit surprised if Dimit was the one behind all of this, since he's from Grove City and if you've ever spent time in Western PA, you'd know that Grove City is churchy as hell. It's basically a northern Liberty.
Huh? What does being "churchy" have to do with anything?
I think "so basically" was trying to point out that there are schools/people that have religious connections that are PLENTY capable of doing wrong, ie. Huntington University, etc.
Nah. Not buying it. There is no way that a 1:47 kid should be running D3, and if he is, I would be shocked if he’s paying his way there.
If he wanted help from his Dad, guess what, there are lots of D1/D2 schools within an hour. Going to Rowan looks suspicious at the very best.
You’re underestimating how much a certain Rowan coach wants a national title
That he’d let his guy basically be coached by someone else in the name of winning
also another 800m runner on the squad was an old HS rival of Blaik. Person to person connections help this stuff.
Seth had the same human connection element with his brother going here, and that same Rowan coach really wanted to recruit him when he was a senior, thought his brother was a good foot in the door, and hey he did get him a few years later…with this extra scrutiny
look the guy has been advertising to recruits that they will “try to win nationals next year” you can see how easy it is to jump to extremes when you want that
Can't give definitive proof on this claim, but feel free to believe me. I did not speak with the ISU coach, but I've talked directly with two other coaches that talked directly with Jeremy separately: the Rowan coach did not reach out to ISU whatsoever. If he did, Jeremy would have said to not take Seth. I also heard this from a third coach who heard this from another coach that directly talked with Jeremy.
Jeremy is a good guy that promptly did the right thing when he learned of his athletes taking (atleast) peptides. Could have very easily turned a blind eye knowing they would never test positive, he would've avoided cutting great athletes and more importantly avoided a stain on the program reputation. Don't exactly know why he hasn't made any followup statements, I assume its a messy situation regarding what he can disclose and the validity of his proof. Seems like the whole ISU scandal was fully brought on by Seth, and personally I don't lay any blame on the ISU program. I would say, however, the Rowan program/coach(es) are due for much blame.
I'm sure there are other coaches on here that have heard the same story and feel the same way.
You’re underestimating how much a certain Rowan coach wants a national title
That he’d let his guy basically be coached by someone else in the name of winning
also another 800m runner on the squad was an old HS rival of Blaik. Person to person connections help this stuff.
Seth had the same human connection element with his brother going here, and that same Rowan coach really wanted to recruit him when he was a senior, thought his brother was a good foot in the door, and hey he did get him a few years later…with this extra scrutiny
look the guy has been advertising to recruits that they will “try to win nationals next year” you can see how easy it is to jump to extremes when you want that
Can't give definitive proof on this claim, but feel free to believe me. I did not speak with the ISU coach, but I've talked directly with two other coaches that talked directly with Jeremy separately: the Rowan coach did not reach out to ISU whatsoever. If he did, Jeremy would have said to not take Seth. I also heard this from a third coach who heard this from another coach that directly talked with Jeremy.
Jeremy is a good guy that promptly did the right thing when he learned of his athletes taking (atleast) peptides. Could have very easily turned a blind eye knowing they would never test positive, he would've avoided cutting great athletes and more importantly avoided a stain on the program reputation. Don't exactly know why he hasn't made any followup statements, I assume its a messy situation regarding what he can disclose and the validity of his proof. Seems like the whole ISU scandal was fully brought on by Seth, and personally I don't lay any blame on the ISU program. I would say, however, the Rowan program/coach(es) are due for much blame.
I'm sure there are other coaches on here that have heard the same story and feel the same way.
did you also happen to hear from a fourth coach that heard from a coach that heard from another coach that heard from a runner that heard someone talking to Jeremy?
Can't give definitive proof on this claim, but feel free to believe me. I did not speak with the ISU coach, but I've talked directly with two other coaches that talked directly with Jeremy separately: the Rowan coach did not reach out to ISU whatsoever. If he did, Jeremy would have said to not take Seth. I also heard this from a third coach who heard this from another coach that directly talked with Jeremy.
Jeremy is a good guy that promptly did the right thing when he learned of his athletes taking (atleast) peptides. Could have very easily turned a blind eye knowing they would never test positive, he would've avoided cutting great athletes and more importantly avoided a stain on the program reputation. Don't exactly know why he hasn't made any followup statements, I assume its a messy situation regarding what he can disclose and the validity of his proof. Seems like the whole ISU scandal was fully brought on by Seth, and personally I don't lay any blame on the ISU program. I would say, however, the Rowan program/coach(es) are due for much blame.
I'm sure there are other coaches on here that have heard the same story and feel the same way.
did you also happen to hear from a fourth coach that heard from a coach that heard from another coach that heard from a runner that heard someone talking to Jeremy?
I also heard from a guy on letsrun that heard from a guy on reddit that talked to Jeremy's cousin
I'd be a little bit surprised if Dimit was the one behind all of this, since he's from Grove City and if you've ever spent time in Western PA, you'd know that Grove City is churchy as hell. It's basically a northern Liberty.
Huh? What does being "churchy" have to do with anything?
Based on people I know from Grove City, being shady isn't really their thing, that's all. They are, in a word, very churchy.