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1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:31pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).

Collatoral damage is not murder.

Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,[17] even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur.

That being said, the number of Palestinian deaths is a tragedy and I'm sure a are avoidable (Hamas shares blame again due to human shields).

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:37pm EDT

re: Feeling Sad

Feeling Sad wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).
Collatoral damage is not murder.
Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,[17] even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur.

Israel and war crimes isn’t a winning argument.

theintercept.com

Israel Responds to Hamas Crimes by Ordering Mass War Crimes in Gaza

Alice Speri

Years of impunity for Israeli crimes against civilians have bred a culture of disregard for international law.

Link:theintercept.com/2023/10/09/israel-ham...

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:38pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
I'm seeing some interesting logic here... if it is suspected that a Hamas militant is hiding in an apartment building it is justified to destroy that building regardless of how many civilians are killed in the process. Apparently this has been acceptable for decades but it changes when the murdered are Israelis. Why the inconsistency?

Fallacyman, here it is simple:

This is just one building in Gaza being destroyed by Israel. There will be MANY more.

YouTube.com

Gaza buildings collapse after Israeli air strike

New York Post

An explosion rocked the Gaza strip on Saturday (October 7), sending smoke and dust across the city, after the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas launched a sur...

Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5NINH2pVE

This is Islamics celebrating the Gazonian attack on Israel.

YouTube.com

Hamas attack on Israel: Rallies in support of Gaza in Tehran, Istanbul and Beirut • FRANCE 24

FRANCE 24 English

In Iran, Turkey and Lebanon, hundreds of people took to the streets and gathered to support Gaza and celebrate the operation by Hamas against Israel.#Hamas #...

Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHI5PyoQmg

There is no inconsistency as you claimed. Your pro-terrorist argument is denied.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:41pm EDT

re: Here we go again

the very formation of israel was a war crime.

so many of you need to get educated and learn history, it was europe washing their hands of the jews and being nimbys about where they were able to settle, so they foisted them all off onto the middle east and made it their problem. absolutely shameful.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:43pm EDT

re: esteemd diplomat

esteemd diplomat wrote:
the very formation of israel was a war crime.
so many of you need to get educated and learn history, it was europe washing their hands of the jews and being nimbys about where they were able to settle, so they foisted them all off onto the middle east and made it their problem. absolutely shameful.

Europe didn't choose the location the Jews did.

You should preach less about education and maybe read something that wasn't written by the PLO or Hamas.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:44pm EDT

re: Feeling Sad

Feeling Sad wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).
Collatoral damage is not murder.
Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,[17] even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur.
That being said, the number of Palestinian deaths is a tragedy and I'm sure a are avoidable (Hamas shares blame again due to human shields).

Those most at risk of prosecution of war crime in no particular order: 1) riflemen, 2) infantry platoon sergeant, 3) military corrections officer, 4) military police.

Are you talking about being put on trial as a war criminal or are you talking about risking getting assassinated over the next twenty-five years while sitting in a coffee shop in Beverly Hills?

Commissioned officers get away with a lot. Enlisted men who fight outside the lines get hunted post conflict.

Israelis are often warning those in buildings. Guerrillas hear the warning and move. That's what guerrillas do: fight and move. Only ones left after brief warnings are civilians so it is cold blooded murder what Israelis are doing.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:44pm EDT

re: esteemd diplomat

esteemd diplomat wrote:
the very formation of israel was a war crime.
so many of you need to get educated and learn history, it was europe washing their hands of the jews and being nimbys about where they were able to settle, so they foisted them all off onto the middle east and made it their problem. absolutely shameful.

Now talk about the part when all the surrounding Middle Eastern countries evicted all their jews!

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:45pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Huge difference - Israel attempts to avoid bombarding innocents - Hamas was targeting specifically residential areas.
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).

I realize you're just a Jew hating troll, but I'll play for a moment. Israel goes after military targets and sends warnings. If Hamas chooses to use civilian's as human shields and people do not heed the warnings, it's on them. Obviously you aren't familiar with basic law and what murder actually is.

Perhaps you should go back to chanting "gas the Jews" with your friends in Sydney.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:46pm EDT

re: Real Obvi

Real Obvi wrote:
Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Your friend Trollminator seemed unable to type "I don't know." He knew A LOT of what was going to happen.
But all you can say is that Israel's 2 million Gazaians target is too high and they need to set their sights lower.
Well, they cut off all Gaza power. That seems like an act that's going to kill 10,000-20,000 alone. And they are just getting started. This is what vengeance looks like.
Trollminator is not my friend.
What compels you to post fallacies?

He is your brother in anti-semitism though. And if you added both of your IQs together, you would get the same number.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:49pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
BigTex wrote:
Nope. Hamas could turn themselves in, give up control of Gaza, and release all of the hostages. This would end the siege and the citizens would have access to all they needed.
So you're saying Isarel could have not annexed land, imposed a blockade and impoverished the Palestinians and that would have prevented Hamas from coming to power and killing a bunch of Israelis.. see how that works? Now just keep going back in time using this logic and maybe the light bulb will go on.

The current blockade is a result of Hamas taking control of Gaza. Israel pulled back from Gaza in 2005, which allowed Hamas to seize power. Hamas refuses to recognize Israel. The Hamas charter states that it's aim is to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic state across the entire region. There will be no peace as long as Hamas and other terrorist organizations exist with the purpose of wiping out Israel. If Hamas achieved their goal of taking over the entire region, it would just become another medieval, Middle Eastern $h*+hole like all the others.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:49pm EDT

re: Otto Shiskanian

Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Yes, we all are smarter than you.
They are going to put their disproportionate military force on display by bombing as many "targets" as possible. This won't do much to weaken Hamas, but will kill enough civilians to create thousands of future revenge-thirsty Palestinians. Then they are going in to show they can control much of Gaza. But if just to appease angry Israelis, this ground operation will be short lived and they will avoid very crammed areas, refugee camps, and any house to house fighting. Then they will leave again and continue their usual slow annexation.
Now if Bibi wants to appease the religious right wingers and really "take" Gaza, they will need to be prepared to suffer a lot of casualties for as long as they occupy. This would be the dumbest and deadliest approach and Israel will lose a lot of the international support they have left and the results will be embarrassing for their military. Bibi only cares about saving his own corrupt a$ so he may actually try to get Israel into some serious long lasting conflict. Israelis may need to ready themselves to see much more frequent terror within their borders. As for Hamas, not going to get wiped out.
Your predictions were a lot of words, but you didn't say much other than you dislike "Bibi" and his corrupt a$ and seem to dislike Israel. We expect more out of smart people. You will be taken off the list of Smarts.
I think you are wrong. I think Israel is going to make good on its claims to reduced the Gaza strip to a pile of rubble. They cut the power off, the cut off all supplies including food and medicine. That act alone will kill 10-20,000. Air strikes all day and night will kill 10,000 per day at least. And they haven't even started the invasion yet.

He was never on a “list of Smarts.” lol

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:52pm EDT

re: Here we go again

"No really.. we had no idea Hamas was planning this for months ...no idea at all!!!!"

-2 million Palestinian

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:54pm EDT

re: esteemd diplomat

esteemd diplomat wrote:
the very formation of israel was a war crime.

Pretty nuts, Ahab. Maybe the genesis of Adam and Eve was a war crime too?

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:57pm EDT

re: intenserunner

intenserunner wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
It’s just tragic all around. Lots of innocent Israelis were killed and now even more innocent Palestinians will die, and all to what end? There was a growing and powerful protest movement in Israel with the progressive, left, secular, two state solution forces gathering strength in the country on the wings of moral outrage, and now this attack will scuttle this and further empower Netanyahu and the intransigent right. And though the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis is real and painful, we should not lose sight of the fact that this attack was encouraged in this very moment by Iran as part of their battle with Saudi Arabia for dominance in the region. The Palestinian cause and the Palestinian people are nothing but pawns in Iran’s efforts to ensure there is no peace between Israel and Saudi and to undercut the Saudis, their mortal enemies.
This comment reminded me of how the Ukraine war was instigated by the US in order to prevent cooperation between Europe and Russia.

Lolz, never mind that Russia sent little green men to invade Crimea and then outright tried to invade Ukraine with its military. Let's leave that out right.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 1:59pm EDT

re: trophy ears

trophy ears wrote:
Nenyetenyahoo has massive ears.

FA cup

1 year ago 10/11/2023 2:04pm EDT

re: BigTex

BigTex wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
So you're saying Isarel could have not annexed land, imposed a blockade and impoverished the Palestinians and that would have prevented Hamas from coming to power and killing a bunch of Israelis.. see how that works? Now just keep going back in time using this logic and maybe the light bulb will go on.
The current blockade is a result of Hamas taking control of Gaza.

Talk about a delayed reaction.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 2:06pm EDT

re: Good question

Interesting point from michael shermer

People compare Hamas to Nazis.
That's not fair.
Nazis knew killing Jews was wrong.
That's why they did it in secret, mostly in Poland at isolated death camps (Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno, Belzec).
At war's end covered over their crimes, burned documents, destroyed gas chambers & denied it after.
Hamas is bragging about murdering Jews, posting videos on social media & declaring "Allahu Akbar"
If you do not support Israel & the Jews, you are literally worse than the Nazis.

1 year ago 10/11/2023 2:07pm EDT

re: Otto Shiskanian

They are going after Trump and patriots AGAIN.

wionews.com

Donald Trump`s politically incorrect language sparks fears of violence - World News

Critics said that his comments about illegal immigrants were so extreme that the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a Jewish advocacy group, saw echoes of Nazi rhetoric.

Link:www.wionews.com/world/trump-slammed-ov...

1 year ago 10/11/2023 2:10pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Interesting point from michael shermer
If you do not support Israel & the Jews, you are literally worse than the Nazis.

It’s not an interesting point, it’s a dumb as fuuk take.

independent.co.uk

Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of

More than 300 Holocaust survivors and their descendants have condemned what they described as Israel’s 'genocide of Palestinian people' in an advert in the New York Times

Link:www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middl...

Let\'s look for points of agreement ... wrote:
Feeling Sad wrote:
Collatoral damage is not murder.
Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,[17] even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur.
That being said, the number of Palestinian deaths is a tragedy and I'm sure a are avoidable (Hamas shares blame again due to human shields).
Those most at risk of prosecution of war crime in no particular order: 1) riflemen, 2) infantry platoon sergeant, 3) military corrections officer, 4) military police.
Are you talking about being put on trial as a war criminal or are you talking about risking getting assassinated over the next twenty-five years while sitting in a coffee shop in Beverly Hills?
Commissioned officers get away with a lot. Enlisted men who fight outside the lines get hunted post conflict.
Israelis are often warning those in buildings. Guerrillas hear the warning and move. That's what guerrillas do: fight and move. Only ones left after brief warnings are civilians so it is cold blooded murder what Israelis are doing.

I know some people are brainwashed because they outright refuse to accept the fact that Israel has murdered innocent civilians for decades. The numbers are debatable, but its a fact they have done so, no matter under what cover or justification. I immediately discard anyone's views if they can't recognize there is blood on both side's hands not just one. I'm also not interested in anyone justifying murders. What are the least damaging and most effective measures to achieve peace?

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