Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

The real failure was Mitch and the R senate. The constitution set up a way for the nation to have redundancies in case one branch underperforms. Checks and balances. Mitch and the R senators were *supposed* to have stepped up and encircled a criminal presidency. But they were too afraid. In private they told reporters how worried about Trump they were, but in public they're all Trumpers. Except Mitt Romney.

Mitch is a villain. He chose to let this go on.

I've been disappointed that I haven't seen much discussed about the apparent flaw in the ole' checks and balances. It appears that the recent impeachment demonstrated that, if a President has at least one house of Congress in their pocket, they can do pretty much anything that they want. The wise founding fathers (I'm not being sarcastic) considered a LOT of things in setting up our government, but did they anticipate/consider this? If yes, did they decide that any remedy would be worse than the problem? If not, is there anything (amendment?) that might be done to fix it>

In the meantime (if that day ever comes), the words, "In America, no one is above the law" shouldn't be uttered again. We now KNOW that isn't true.

Yes Mitch and the Republican senate have not done their job of checks and balances. They have a long history of partisanship over ethics but its never been to this extent. Ethics and honesty have become irrelevant.

If Trump effective at anything its promoting those, regardless of competency, who show total loyalty to him. Being obsequious to Trump is a very good career move. And crossing Trump will result in some bad or difficult things happening to you. A lesson will be made of you to others.

My understanding is that the framers didn't think political parties would take root. In the context of 18c America they didn't think parties were a threat. They would not have foreseen parties voting in lockstep with the president. I think some framers did voice concern about the potential.

Also, the president was not a very powerful position until the last 100 years or so. The congress has handed much power over. Some of that was wise, some wasn't. So the framers might not have been as worried about a rogue president as maybe they should have been.

semsurrrrrrrrr wrote:

agip wrote:

5/7 data

nope, still no good news.

Globally, 7 day average change in daily deaths: +2% per day

US: +4%

I've started looking at a simple 7 day average of deaths....that measure is probably the best and it does show some improvement, to 5,225 deaths per day. The highest number was 6658, in mid-April. The slope downward has been fairly steady.

So by that measure, we've seen some solid improvement globally and in the US.

USA continues to get worse relative to other nations in terms of per capita deaths . We were 16th worst, then 15th worst, then 14th worst, now we are 13th worst. Yes many of those nations we' 'passed' are miniscule minor nations like the Channel Islands.

Sweden is steady in 10th place.

We are actually 12th, the Isle of Man is listed as a country, it is not a country, it is part of the UK.

Am I going to have to correct people in this thread on all things? Being a part of the UK does not mean you aren't a country. England is a country and it is part of the UK; see also Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Isle of Man is a British Crown Dependency and is part of the UK as you mentioned but that in and of itself does not mean it isn't a country.

5/9 data

pretty good.

The current 7 day average of daily deaths is the lowest we've seen since early April. Both globally and in the US. New York is down to just 168 deaths today, after pushing 1000 at the worst times.

I guess I should start looking at new cases, to see if these openings of the econ will start infecting more people. I've not talked at all about cases since that opens a can of worms that is way above my pay grade. But I'll take a look. Looking at deaths, as I have, is a trailing indicator by around three weeks.

No change in the 'standings'

Sweden 9th worst, the US 13th worst.

That's the worst either has been for a few weeks.

Smorbun wrote:

semsurrrrrrrrr wrote:

We are actually 12th, the Isle of Man is listed as a country, it is not a country, it is part of the UK.

Am I going to have to correct people in this thread on all things? Being a part of the UK does not mean you aren't a country. England is a country and it is part of the UK; see also Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Isle of Man is a British Crown Dependency and is part of the UK as you mentioned but that in and of itself does not mean it isn't a country.

Sorry to butt in, however...

Understand what you are saying, but in this case Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland are NOT listed as separate countries. They do all of course have the same NHS health care system and ruling government.

Take a look for yourself.

If the rest are considered UK, then the minuscule Isle of Man should be also.

Make America Great Again! wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRndMiVIB-w

I agree with Trump on this, that the economy does better under democrats and there is a simple, basic reason for this.

If you give money to industry, but there is no increase in demand for goods and services, the industry will not expand to increase availability of goods and services. There is no profit incentive to do this.

If you give greater money to the working class, who spend a large portion of their income, that will result in a greater demand for goods and services and that strengthens the economy. Industry will increase production to meet the increased demand.

Greater tax breaks for industry will result in an immediate increase in profit for industry but it doesn't add to the long term strength of the economy.

Ciro wrote:

Smorbun wrote:

Am I going to have to correct people in this thread on all things? Being a part of the UK does not mean you aren't a country. England is a country and it is part of the UK; see also Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Isle of Man is a British Crown Dependency and is part of the UK as you mentioned but that in and of itself does not mean it isn't a country.

Sorry to butt in, however...

Understand what you are saying, but in this case Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland are NOT listed as separate countries. They do all of course have the same NHS health care system and ruling government.

Take a look for yourself.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%22

If the rest are considered UK, then the minuscule Isle of Man should be also.

The only thing that matters is that Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are countries. The Isle of Man is not a country, but the fact that it is part of the UK does not in and of itself mean it is not a country as Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland are countries and are also part of the UK. I wasn't answering this in any way that coronavirus cases are counted, only in a factual way about what is, and what I said is what is.

The problem with trickle down is that it trickles.

Inject money straight to the lower tiers and it gushes right up and everyone is better off.

Barry has no idea what's coming. He spied on the wrong guy.

KAG2020

agip wrote:

5/9 data

pretty good.

The current 7 day average of daily deaths is the lowest we've seen since early April. Both globally and in the US. New York is down to just 168 deaths today, after pushing 1000 at the worst times.

I guess I should start looking at new cases, to see if these openings of the econ will start infecting more people. I've not talked at all about cases since that opens a can of worms that is way above my pay grade. But I'll take a look. Looking at deaths, as I have, is a trailing indicator by around three weeks.

No change in the 'standings'

Sweden 9th worst, the US 13th worst.

That's the worst either has been for a few weeks.

Gov Cuomo issued an executive order to executive order requiring nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients. He has failed NY. Why has he been praised?

this is actually a fascinating study in government and PR. It's true that NYS has been the global disaster and some bad decisions were made. But Cuomo has come out of this as a hero.

Why?

I think the main reason is that he tells the truth. We are so angry at Trump for lying to us for so long, when someone tells the truth - esp when it is in a painful crisis - we rally to that person's side.

But also, Cuomo's confident tone gives us confidence.

It's a fascinating study.

agip wrote:

Mitch is a villain. He chose to let this go on.

It's not like he just showed up on the Senate floor one day. He's on his 6th term, and he's up for re-election in 2020!

The reality is that US citizens have largely chosen to let this go on.

Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

Mitch is a villain. He chose to let this go on.

It's not like he just showed up on the Senate floor one day. He's on his 6th term, and he's up for re-election in 2020!

The reality is that US citizens have largely chosen to let this go on.

My point is that MItch is a smart guy and knows a lot of history. He knows what the job of the senate is in terms of balance of power. I can give him a break for sleeping on the first year or two of Trumpism...but his last couple years of passivity have been absolutely inexcusable on his part. He knows the corruption and power grabbing from the WH is bad and that the Senate is supposed to stop it. But he wasn't brave enough to take steps to stop it.

He looked down at his desk and got a bunch of judges approved. And he walked away from the rest of his job, leaving the battlefield to Trump. American Villain.

5/10 data

Sunday data are always sloppy and inconsistent.

The standout was the US - just 750 deaths = the lowest daily count since March 30. We had many days above 2,500.

the 7 day averages weren't much changed because this Sunday was similar to last Sunday.

Globally, the 7 day average of daily deaths actually rose a small amount.

But the US 7 day average of daily deaths had its fourth straight drop, and is the lowest since April 11. It's all suspicious - the US was just 22% of global deaths on Sunday, while normally that number is around 37%. There will be catchup days.

New cases in the US had their lowest number since March 30. NYS had just 41 deaths.

But it was Sunday. The pattern is that Monday is a little worse than Sunday...and then Tuesday and Wednesday are the spike days.

Sweden and the US maintained their positions: 9th worst and 13th worst, per million souls.

McConnell has been working for a decade or more to extend the power of the right through judicial appointments. He actively and effectively slowed down Obama's federal judicial appointments and under Trump has gone into warp drive. I think he despises Trump as much as you do, but is so intent on stamping his own legacy that he is blind or indifferent to the collateral damage to government institutions.

The voting population, at least enough of it to have handed control to Trump and McConnell, is fixated on their own wedge issues which the Republicans are particularly effective at exploiting. They are more effective because the are dealing with a more homogeneous electorate than the Democrats can ever hope to have without fundamentally shifting the party platform to something unrecognizable.