WTF are you talking about? The issue is how quickly the body responds to a change in training stimulus, nothing more and nothing less.
were still trying to figure out wtf you are talking about
again, let’s hear your schedule if you think 24 weeks is too long
I'm talking about the fact that it shouldn't take 6 months for any effects of changing how you train to become apparent. The human body adapts much more rapidly than that.
I said that the time required for the body to respond to training is measured in hours to days, not weeks to months. You questioned that assertion. As this study demonstrates, though, you can indeed detect changes within hours, even using older techniques.
were still trying to figure out wtf you are talking about
again, let’s hear your schedule if you think 24 weeks is too long
I'm talking about the fact that it shouldn't take 6 months for any effects of changing how you train to become apparent. The human body adapts much more rapidly than that.
yeah, again, stupid comment
youll be building fitness obviously
what youre going to judge as ‘effects’/results well obviously that’s going to depend on a number of different things
I said that the time required for the body to respond to training is measured in hours to days, not weeks to months. You questioned that assertion. As this study demonstrates, though, you can indeed detect changes within hours, even using older techniques.
just do a race every other day then, im sure there will be no consequences to your training response
After 6 months, if you haven't responded that's obviously the top end and it's worth reassement of what is going on But it took me 5 months and for real, I nearly quit this method.
I felt better or fresher quite quickly, but there were no results. Looking back, I was in a really, really deep hole from my previous training. Shedding the fatigue and then generating load I could actually catch up with took about 19 weeks, in the end. My assumption is that what happened anyway. It's really thr most logical thing in retrospect.
Like so many people have reported, just suddenly one day I was faster. It's hard to explain, but it's clearly something that happens as a lot of people have reported this. Most are saying the same sort of feeling happens maybe after 8-10 weeks, so it was quite a lot longer in my case. A few people posted around a year ago about this, if they hasn't I probably would have bailed.
I went from 18:12, to 17:37 in two weeks, from week 17 to 19. That was a lifetime pb but absolutely no sign of it until it just happened. I would, genuinely love someone to explain it.
Fast forward quite a bit more time, I've used the marathon build to run 2:41, ran 16:49 5k and ran a 4:54 mile. So to say I'm glad I stuck with it, is an understatement! Vanilla is all I do, it can be a touch boring, but I've learned to embrace that and the performances are just so much drastically better, it's worth every second of it. I feel like I'm one of the ones who wants to fiddle with it and try and make it better, so it's hard not to. But I probably accept I'm going to make the balance worse, especially when I am still improving.
The book itself, doesn't tell you not go do anything else, but use the knowledge you have gained to ask you why or what you want to achieve when you do so. To date, I haven't justified any changes to myself in an a acceptable way and anyway, itm still improving.
Two more books on the way for others as Christmas running gifts. Seeing it's ranking on Amazon still is impressive.
After 6 months, if you haven't responded that's obviously the top end and it's worth reassement of what is going on But it took me 5 months and for real, I nearly quit this method.
I felt better or fresher quite quickly, but there were no results. Looking back, I was in a really, really deep hole from my previous training. Shedding the fatigue and then generating load I could actually catch up with took about 19 weeks, in the end. My assumption is that what happened anyway. It's really thr most logical thing in retrospect.
Like so many people have reported, just suddenly one day I was faster. It's hard to explain, but it's clearly something that happens as a lot of people have reported this. Most are saying the same sort of feeling happens maybe after 8-10 weeks, so it was quite a lot longer in my case. A few people posted around a year ago about this, if they hasn't I probably would have bailed.
I went from 18:12, to 17:37 in two weeks, from week 17 to 19. That was a lifetime pb but absolutely no sign of it until it just happened. I would, genuinely love someone to explain it.
Fast forward quite a bit more time, I've used the marathon build to run 2:41, ran 16:49 5k and ran a 4:54 mile. So to say I'm glad I stuck with it, is an understatement! Vanilla is all I do, it can be a touch boring, but I've learned to embrace that and the performances are just so much drastically better, it's worth every second of it. I feel like I'm one of the ones who wants to fiddle with it and try and make it better, so it's hard not to. But I probably accept I'm going to make the balance worse, especially when I am still improving.
The book itself, doesn't tell you not go do anything else, but use the knowledge you have gained to ask you why or what you want to achieve when you do so. To date, I haven't justified any changes to myself in an a acceptable way and anyway, itm still improving.
Two more books on the way for others as Christmas running gifts. Seeing it's ranking on Amazon still is impressive.
Nice write up, I’m sure plenty will appreciate you taking the time.
Can I ask, with the exception of the marathon build, how vanilla was it and was it completely unchanged from week 1 to break through (apart from paces)? For example, did you always run 7 days and 7.5 hours or did that change along the way. I guess what I am really asking is, were the sessions always vanilla but you felt an uplift after you progressed to more days, time, etc.
After 6 months, if you haven't responded that's obviously the top end and it's worth reassement of what is going on But it took me 5 months and for real, I nearly quit this method.
I felt better or fresher quite quickly, but there were no results. Looking back, I was in a really, really deep hole from my previous training. Shedding the fatigue and then generating load I could actually catch up with took about 19 weeks, in the end. My assumption is that what happened anyway. It's really thr most logical thing in retrospect.
Like so many people have reported, just suddenly one day I was faster. It's hard to explain, but it's clearly something that happens as a lot of people have reported this. Most are saying the same sort of feeling happens maybe after 8-10 weeks, so it was quite a lot longer in my case. A few people posted around a year ago about this, if they hasn't I probably would have bailed.
I went from 18:12, to 17:37 in two weeks, from week 17 to 19. That was a lifetime pb but absolutely no sign of it until it just happened. I would, genuinely love someone to explain it.
Fast forward quite a bit more time, I've used the marathon build to run 2:41, ran 16:49 5k and ran a 4:54 mile. So to say I'm glad I stuck with it, is an understatement! Vanilla is all I do, it can be a touch boring, but I've learned to embrace that and the performances are just so much drastically better, it's worth every second of it. I feel like I'm one of the ones who wants to fiddle with it and try and make it better, so it's hard not to. But I probably accept I'm going to make the balance worse, especially when I am still improving.
The book itself, doesn't tell you not go do anything else, but use the knowledge you have gained to ask you why or what you want to achieve when you do so. To date, I haven't justified any changes to myself in an a acceptable way and anyway, itm still improving.
Two more books on the way for others as Christmas running gifts. Seeing it's ranking on Amazon still is impressive.
Why wait 6 + months for a little improvement( if it happens) when you can get it in few weeks? It's easy to see most of you didn't have a clue how to train proper with VO2Max and LT2 workouts in your training weeks before.
if its not about sustainability and you get the benefits in hours, lets here the 5x a week Vo2 schedule you have planned
are you currently reading the hickson/gollnick study?
but if it's just about sustainability, then we may as well just jog every day. If you are only doing sub-t workouts (even though your godfather has never done it actually, what he has been doing is cruise intervals right at LT pace stolen from Daniels), you're never gonna make enough gains. No pain, no gain my friend, there's no free lunch.
LoL, the very best comment here ever!
But the ' sect' and the godfather will be very angry at you for telling them the truth. ; )
But the ' sect' and the godfather will be very angry at you for telling them the truth. ; )
Yes, Daniels cruise intervals, but understanding there is no actual threshold pace. Versus for example, running the same pace for 3x mile or 3x10 mins, which I have seen on Daniels inspired plans.
If Daniels had released a program for hobby joggers, in which easy pace was drastically reduced and just 3x cruise intervals at a more dialed in pace, appropriate to the distance, it would look very much like NSM and likely have had much better outcomes for hobby joggers. But, he didn't. It's great to see people freaking out over the success of all this and challenging the norms. Personally I think that is refreshing for the ground roots runners who have often been forgotten about when it comes to running training and coaching. Or at best an after thought.
Essentially we have covered many times. Most training is actually more the same, than it's not. It's all about striking a balance in structure and recovery, which is the whole point here.
Going to throw my own anecdote in regarding NSA and the lack of "speed work". I just opened my indoor campaign with a 4:52 mile. At a meet around this time last year, I ran the same time, but I was doing 20ish miles a week and RAW speed. I'm telling you like 10x8 sec hill sprints, 150 builds, hard 200s and a bit of VO2 + threshold.
I haven't touched anything faster than 5:45/mi outside of the week leading into the race, which was just to break in my new spikes. Already, in 10 weeks, I've bridged the fitness gap in a "speedier" event. Had absolutely no trouble working down to a 33 sec last 200, so running 10 min miles on my easy days didn't take that away.
All in all, a major confidence booster. Clearly, things are translating. Excited to see what I can do over 3k and 5k in the coming months before I eye road racing again.
Why wait 6 + months for a little improvement( if it happens) when you can get it in few weeks? It's easy to see most of you didn't have a clue how to train proper with VO2Max and LT2 workouts in your training weeks before.
How would you structure a week to get a better outcome, over let us say a year, compared to NSM.
Genuinely curious as to what that would look like for a hobby jogger who can run every day, but has 8 hours of work Monday to Friday and 3 kids. Which is my life. I have about an hour to 90 minutes a day for this.
I ask because I have tried a year of NSM and have great outcomes, way beyond what i thought having been a previous skeptic poster. I have tried many years of other training methods, carefully trying to balance true threshold workouts, vo2 and the outcomes are simply worse over a prolonged period.
NSM let's me run more overall and the volume itself being controlled but more, seems to have led to my best ever performances, it's that simple.
I'm all for debate, but you the onus is on you to come up with a better solution to share, considering it's become clear and almost undeniable the longer feddback rolls on, that intensity based programs are often the biggest roadblock to hobvy joggers success.
Why wait 6 + months for a little improvement( if it happens) when you can get it in few weeks? It's easy to see most of you didn't have a clue how to train proper with VO2Max and LT2 workouts in your training weeks before.
And then stop improving and start getting slower after those few weeks ....
Why wait 6 + months for a little improvement( if it happens) when you can get it in few weeks? It's easy to see most of you didn't have a clue how to train proper with VO2Max and LT2 workouts in your training weeks before.
And then stop improving and start getting slower after those few weeks ....
People don't want constant, slow progress. They want a quick fix, NOW.
Why wait 6 + months for a little improvement( if it happens) when you can get it in few weeks? It's easy to see most of you didn't have a clue how to train proper with VO2Max and LT2 workouts in your training weeks before.
And then stop improving and start getting slower after those few weeks ....
Who is talking about stop improving? You, not me. ; )
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