Just watched the Dr Will video on NSM. Now whether you agree with NSM or not being optimal (I probably am more and more sold on it as time goes on!), it's such a bad video it has to be satire, right?
Wtaf is going on lol the pens, the whiteboard. It HAS to be satire, surely?
Absolute car crash. 100% negative comments. He's losing credibility every minute the video stays up (which won't be long I'd imagine)
you mob are insufferable. Dr Will was just speaking the truth, yet you guys are now trying to run him down. Anyway, I would rather listen to a phd in sport science than some random construction worker on training, but you do you.
It isn't about sustainability. It's about how fast the body responds to a (change in) training stimulus. The latter occurs in hours to days, not weeks to months. It therefore shouldn't take 6 months to see any improvement in performance due to "NSM". If it seems to, I would question the validity of the measurement.
if its not about sustainability and you get the benefits in hours, lets here the 5x a week Vo2 schedule you have planned
are you currently reading the hickson/gollnick study?
but if it's just about sustainability, then we may as well just jog every day. If you are only doing sub-t workouts (even though your godfather has never done it actually, what he has been doing is cruise intervals right at LT pace stolen from Daniels), you're never gonna make enough gains. No pain, no gain my friend, there's no free lunch.
I have a question as I am currently planning my own first marathon block since joining the cult last May: you specifically wrote on Strava you wanted to do a half3 weeks before the full. Why exactly 3 weeks? I know sirpoc did it also in his original block, but is there any reason behind?
I have a nice opportunity to do a half 4 weeks before my marathon and was thinking of doing that, but since there seems to be a reason for doing it 3 weeks before, maybe I will go for a solo half TT as well...
Would be cool if you or somebody could elaborate a little further, didn't find anything specific about this in the book or anywhere else.
Fitness check. 4 weeks I am sure is also fine. I have done the same build and ran my best marathon by far.
It will tell you where you are at and give you a guide for the last couple of sessions than are more mental prep than anything, which come very late.
I wasn't sure about the whole thing tbh, but I felt so strong on race day because I wasn't cooked 6-8 weeks out like normal and far exceeded my expectations. The half really told me the truth of where I was at and still gave me time to recover, do 5x15 around MP based on the half data.
Wigglewaffle has seemed to really just follow the same classic pattern. It should be another real wake up call for a lot of us that even when you get to a very high standard, with the right application and guidance you STILL can improve without implementing anything more traditionalists would have you do. It's crazy really we have a model regular people can follow, sustain and cash in results.
you mob are insufferable. Dr Will was just speaking the truth, yet you guys are now trying to run him down. Anyway, I would rather listen to a phd in sport science than some random construction worker on training, but you do you.
I usually like Will. But that was a mess. A real, real mess. A PhD or not. What you know you know in life, what you don't know, you don't know.
Qualifications mean nothing. Show me what you got.
you mob are insufferable. Dr Will was just speaking the truth, yet you guys are now trying to run him down. Anyway, I would rather listen to a phd in sport science than some random construction worker on training, but you do you.
It's a sad state of affairs for the running industry then, when some random construction worker posting on a cesspit like Letsrun, has done more for hobby joggers in the last two years than dozens of high profile influencers and so called coaches I can think of, combined.
For the confused, is Wigglewaffle the Grandmas guy?
Yes. Cheetodust is the old masters guy (sub 15). When I have seen sirpoc and these two guys, success is huge and it's as vanilla as it gets, for what that's worth. Definitely worth thinking about.
I usually like Will. But that was a mess. A real, real mess. A PhD or not. What you know you know in life, what you don't know, you don't know.
Qualifications mean nothing. Show me what you got.
Aside from the fact he clearly didn't know what he's talking about, the whole demeanour, presentation, hectic nature of the video was just bizarre. I thought it was some kind of spoof, spinal tap style.
I haven't seen any of his stuff for a while, but pretty weird,even taken out of the NSM context.
if its not about sustainability and you get the benefits in hours, lets here the 5x a week Vo2 schedule you have planned
are you currently reading the hickson/gollnick study?
but if it's just about sustainability, then we may as well just jog every day. If you are only doing sub-t workouts (even though your godfather has never done it actually, what he has been doing is cruise intervals right at LT pace stolen from Daniels), you're never gonna make enough gains. No pain, no gain my friend, there's no free lunch.
no pain no gain — sounds like 90s running in the USA that worked out well
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Absolute car crash. 100% negative comments. He's losing credibility every minute the video stays up (which won't be long I'd imagine)
you mob are insufferable. Dr Will was just speaking the truth, yet you guys are now trying to run him down. Anyway, I would rather listen to a phd in sport science than some random construction worker on training, but you do you.
but if it's just about sustainability, then we may as well just jog every day. If you are only doing sub-t workouts (even though your godfather has never done it actually, what he has been doing is cruise intervals right at LT pace stolen from Daniels), you're never gonna make enough gains. No pain, no gain my friend, there's no free lunch.
Is about the most load that'll create a tangible gain, whilst being sustainable, in the shortest amount of time e.g time crunched to an hour a day. That's reasonable for most of us.
Of course you can jog an everyday and enjoy health benefits and it needs sustainable. But good luck in being competitive in some way. Nothing wrong with that, you don't have to compete. But the fact most of us are on a forum, about running training, would suggest we care about our finish times and doing the best we can.
Without doxing anyone, any hints on how to find grandmas guy (or Cheeto dust) on Strava? Been following this thread religiously but still haven’t figured out who they are
It isn't about sustainability. It's about how fast the body responds to a (change in) training stimulus. The latter occurs in hours to days, not weeks to months. It therefore shouldn't take 6 months to see any improvement in performance due to "NSM". If it seems to, I would question the validity of the measurement.
hours?
how F ing clueless can you be honestly?
Yes, hours. Something that was known long before the development of modern molecular biology.
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Just seen the Dr Will video and agree, style aside, he hasn't understood the philosophy and how to build load with this system. One thing I do agree with him...having looked at the strava group is beginners not knowing where to jump in. Seeing relatively beginner runners launching into 7 days per week with 3 sessions per week is mad.
Depending on what training you are doing beforehand and how bigger of a hole you dug yourself it depends on how much improvement you make in the first 4-6 weeks, you maybe dropping time, distance, or load.
I'm "obsessed" with 6 months because that's what was suggested (as the upper limit), and it makes no sense to me.
Apparently it doesn't make any sense to you, either, since you imply that improvement should usually be seen within 4-6 weeks (with which I would agree).
Not if someone is over trained. It can take months to reverse things.
Some are coming from a heavy VO2max workload, and so are reducing their training load on starting NSM. So again things take time for the training load to catch up.
An older person will not adapt to training as quickly as a youngster.
Not everyone is testing performance frequently. Some may prefer a few months of the new training method, before testing and reporting performance.
The rapid improvement that you are accustomed to comes from the VO2max type training, followed by a plateau. This concentration on the aerobic system takes longer.
etc, etc, ............
True overtraining is rare. Even more so among hobbyjoggers
If performance isn't being measured regularly, then it's all a moot point.
The rate of adaptation to training is independent of the absolute stimulus.
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