I agree as fellow NJ. There are quite a few far more reputable NJ programs in academics and athletics across the divisions that I would transfer to. Wonder if he tried and Rowan was the only one to show any interest
Been following this thread for a week and just finally saw the Gmail video right now.
Absolutely 100% no way it is fake. If it gets to court he is done.
If the NCAA doesn’t do anything about this I think that he’ll eventually step away on his own. This won’t blow over, and he will become more or less blacklisted by the running community. With ISU and Rowan taking some fallout damage as well.
How can he be blacklisted? Will meets not allow his team to enter meets? I don't think they could exclude them. He certainly can't be excluded from conference or nationals.
How can he be blacklisted? Will meets not allow his team to enter meets? I don't think they could exclude them. He certainly can't be excluded from conference or nationals.
How do you know for a fact he refused to sign disclosure forms? Unless something has changed in the last 4 hours, he most certainly hasn't signed the one Jonathan Gault presented him. But did Rowan also present him one?
That to me would have been an easy and correct thing for Rowan to do. Maybe they did. I highly doubt it, but we have no idea as basically Rowan and Iowa State are keeping their mouths shut and not saying anything of substance.
But if I was coaching a program and a kid wanted to transfer to my school under these circumstances, there is a zero percent chance I'd let him run for me unless I 100% talked to the previous coach and got the full story - or at least that coach's full version of it. If they wouldn't tell it to me for privacy reasons, then I'd pass.
This doesn't give me much hope that this article is going to do much. I'm obviously glad you're shining a light on it, but this basically confirms that both ISU and Rowan are going to basically plead the 5th.
Rowan stinks to high heaven at every step of this. Seth finishes 21st and he's paying his way to run at a D3 commuter school? Slavinski runs 1:47 for Clemson last year and that's where he wants to go, to run the NJAC against Rutgers-Newark? Meanwhile they've got a true freshman high-jumping 7'2" and another one long-jumping 25'. You can never, ever convince me that all of these kids are at Rowan purely for academic reasons. Never.
Someone already mentioned why Blaik transferred way earlier in this thread
Seth is in the invitational heat of the BU meet tomorrow, seeded at 13:28. He will face the likes of Justyn Knight, Sean Mcgorty, Thomas Ratcliffe, and Abdel Laadjel. The D3 record is 13:44, set by Alex Phillip of John Carroll in 2023.
Seth's teammate Blaik Slavinski (Clemson transfer) is seeded at his PR of 1:47. He opened up his season with a 2:30 1k... He must've also transferred to Rowan due to their strong history in academia.
Blaik transfered for good reasons, wanting to get some help from his pops again. Clemson would peak him early every year and another 800m runner convinced him to come home and get his bearings straight.
Can't believe I'm defending Rowan in this thread but that was a reasonable choice by Blaik and shows some top athletes are respecting DIII rn
How can he be blacklisted? Will meets not allow his team to enter meets? I don't think they could exclude them. He certainly can't be excluded from conference or nationals.
Blaik transfered for good reasons, wanting to get some help from his pops again. Clemson would peak him early every year and another 800m runner convinced him to come home and get his bearings straight.
Can't believe I'm defending Rowan in this thread but that was a reasonable choice by Blaik and shows some top athletes are respecting DIII rn
But the elephant in the room isn't helping
^ found it
Nah. Not buying it. There is no way that a 1:47 kid should be running D3, and if he is, I would be shocked if he’s paying his way there.
If he wanted help from his Dad, guess what, there are lots of D1/D2 schools within an hour. Going to Rowan looks suspicious at the very best.
Athletics has no bearing on price. The NCAA requires each school to provide a yearly breakdown for every athlete. If an athlete got any extra money that an equivalent non-athlete got, the school would be placed on probation and could be suspended.
Nah. Not buying it. There is no way that a 1:47 kid should be running D3, and if he is, I would be shocked if he’s paying his way there.
If he wanted help from his Dad, guess what, there are lots of D1/D2 schools within an hour. Going to Rowan looks suspicious at the very best.
Ryan Wilson ran 3:55 (mile) and 1:46 indoors…but him staying makes sense. However, Rowan isn’t exactly MIT.
I also don’t believe their top athletes pay anything
Right, that’s what I believe too. You cannot get me to believe that a kid running 1:47 is paying his way to run at Rowan, just like you can’t get me to believe that they have two true freshmen long-jumping 25’ and high-jumping 7’2” that are paying their way in full, either.
Rowan (and to a lesser extent, UW-Lax) are shady as hell in this regard. Since it’s almost impossible to directly prove that these kids got money for athletics — I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to leave a paper trail about it — these schools push it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s a huge difference between someone starting at D1 and moving down vs. someone starting at D3 and staying there even as other options might come available.
Lawyer claims Rowan endorsed a drug test for Seth and he was clear of EPO and has normal blood markers...
Betting dollars to donuts that ISU did NOT do an EPO screen, only a normal steroid/rec drugs screen. Unless SC is willing to post the results of said test, I will err on the side of "things that never happened for $800, Alex."
Ryan Wilson ran 3:55 (mile) and 1:46 indoors…but him staying makes sense. However, Rowan isn’t exactly MIT.
I also don’t believe their top athletes pay anything
Right, that’s what I believe too. You cannot get me to believe that a kid running 1:47 is paying his way to run at Rowan, just like you can’t get me to believe that they have two true freshmen long-jumping 25’ and high-jumping 7’2” that are paying their way in full, either.
Rowan (and to a lesser extent, UW-Lax) are shady as hell in this regard. Since it’s almost impossible to directly prove that these kids got money for athletics — I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to leave a paper trail about it — these schools push it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s a huge difference between someone starting at D1 and moving down vs. someone starting at D3 and staying there even as other options might come available.
Except he just ran an 800 on Boston's trampoline track for Rowan... in 1:54. Not exactly a D1 performance.
Right, that’s what I believe too. You cannot get me to believe that a kid running 1:47 is paying his way to run at Rowan, just like you can’t get me to believe that they have two true freshmen long-jumping 25’ and high-jumping 7’2” that are paying their way in full, either.
Rowan (and to a lesser extent, UW-Lax) are shady as hell in this regard. Since it’s almost impossible to directly prove that these kids got money for athletics — I can’t imagine they’d be stupid enough to leave a paper trail about it — these schools push it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s a huge difference between someone starting at D1 and moving down vs. someone starting at D3 and staying there even as other options might come available.
Except he just ran an 800 on Boston's trampoline track for Rowan... in 1:54. Not exactly a D1 performance.
So? Earlier in this thread you had people saying that his main complaint was that Clemson was peaking him too early. No matter what, he still ran 1:47; just because he ran 1:54 now doesn't mean that 1:47 didn't happen and if anything, given the logic of wanting to peak him later, what he's running in mid-February isn't all that indicative of his talent level.
Lawyer claims Rowan endorsed a drug test for Seth and he was clear of EPO and has normal blood markers...
Betting dollars to donuts that ISU did NOT do an EPO screen, only a normal steroid/rec drugs screen. Unless SC is willing to post the results of said test, I will err on the side of "things that never happened for $800, Alex."
Well, we're talking about Rowan, not ISU, but yeah. My guess is that ISU suspended him from the team pending a larger investigation, SC split knowing that it wouldn't resolve in his favor, then went to Rowan and said "Nah, I left, my decision" and they were happy enough with that (misleading at best) explanation.
Again, all of this is just conversation that distracts from what it is the obvious point here: SC is blocking the release of information from ISU that would immediately clear his name, and it's only natural to ask why.