The people of Hamas must be eradicated and Gaza reduced to rubble. Enough of this nonsense. The "Palestinians" speak Arabic, which is not a language specific to Palestine, nor had they identified as Palestinians before Egypt’s President Nasser so dubbed them in 1964. They were Arab nomads before this.
In reality, there is no ethnic difference between Palestinian Arabs, Syrians and Jordanians. Likewise, Palestinians have no culture peculiar to Palestine, nor do they have strong religious ties to it. They are just run of the mill Jew hating arabs. They have no special rights and are not owed anything any anyone.
The Koran, for example, never mentions Jerusalem
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Feeling Sad wrote:
Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Your predictions were a lot of words, but you didn't say much other than you dislike "Bibi" and his corrupt a$ and seem to dislike Israel. We expect more out of smart people. You will be taken off the list of Smarts.
I think you are wrong. I think Israel is going to make good on its claims to reduced the Gaza strip to a pile of rubble. They cut the power off, the cut off all supplies including food and medicine. That act alone will kill 10-20,000. Air strikes all day and night will kill 10,000 per day at least. And they haven't even started the invasion yet.
Do you have any concerns that by reducing Gaza to rubble, Israel may lose some international support (Similar to the US in Vietnam)?
No. No concerns whatsoever. Israel has no such concerns either. You appear to have some vague concerns in that regard, but they are shared by very few on the pro-Israeli side.
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Moran unable to read the Koran, this is factually incorrect and harmful.
While it is true that the term "Palestinian" was not widely used until the mid-20th century, this does not mean that the Palestinians did not exist before then. The Palestinians have always had a distinct identity and culture, and they have always been the indigenous people of Palestine.44 -
Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
Trollminator is not my friend.
What compels you to post fallacies?
What compels you to post lies about Israel? We all have our own compunctions. Some, like yours and Hamas, are immoral ones. For some people, they are virtuous. That's the ying and yang of life. The endless battle of Good v. Evil.
Try to identify a single lie that I have posted - about Israel or anything else.
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spotter oof idiots wrote:
joedlrt wrote:
Source for the estimate of 10,000 - 20,000 deaths from shutting off power. Any collateral deaths fall on the terrorists who were given support and shelter in the affected areas.
All deaths caused by starvation fall on those who starved them to death. This is an Israel led genocide/holocaust.
Nope. Hamas could turn themselves in, give up control of Gaza, and release all of the hostages. This would end the siege and the citizens would have access to all they needed.
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wazzu1452 wrote:
The people of Hamas must be eradicated and Gaza reduced to rubble. Enough of this nonsense. The "Palestinians" speak Arabic, which is not a language specific to Palestine, nor had they identified as Palestinians before Egypt’s President Nasser so dubbed them in 1964. They were Arab nomads before this.
In reality, there is no ethnic difference between Palestinian Arabs, Syrians and Jordanians. Likewise, Palestinians have no culture peculiar to Palestine, nor do they have strong religious ties to it. They are just run of the mill Jew hating arabs. They have no special rights and are not owed anything any anyone.
The Koran, for example, never mentions Jerusalem
The arab dehumanizing propaganda worked really well with this one
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BigTex wrote:
spotter oof idiots wrote:
All deaths caused by starvation fall on those who starved them to death. This is an Israel led genocide/holocaust.
Nope. Hamas could turn themselves in, give up control of Gaza, and release all of the hostages. This would end the siege and the citizens would have access to all they needed.
So you're saying Isarel could have not annexed land, imposed a blockade and impoverished the Palestinians and that would have prevented Hamas from coming to power and killing a bunch of Israelis.. see how that works? Now just keep going back in time using this logic and maybe the light bulb will go on.
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wazzu1452 wrote:
The Koran, for example, never mentions Jerusalem
I support the rights of Jewish people in the middle east, Israel should exist as a democracy etc, and be able to defend itself from threats to its people... (blanket disclaimer so we dont get sidetracked)
But the quoted above is just a stupid talking point, exactly what I would expect from morons on this forum.
The Quran discusses the Night Journey - a foundational event in Islam - and implicitly mentions Jerusalem as the site of "the farthest mosque" (أَسۡرَىٰ بِعَبۡدِهِۦ لَيۡلٗا مِّنَ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡحَرَامِ إِلَى ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡأَقۡصَا). This verse in the Quran is why Jerusalem and specifically the Temple Mount / Dome of the Rock / Al-Aqsa mosque are so important to Islam.
To act like Jerusalem's significance is made up because it doesn't use the word "Jerusalem" is like toddler level reasoning.
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Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Yes, we all are smarter than you.
They are going to put their disproportionate military force on display by bombing as many "targets" as possible. This won't do much to weaken Hamas, but will kill enough civilians to create thousands of future revenge-thirsty Palestinians. Then they are going in to show they can control much of Gaza. But if just to appease angry Israelis, this ground operation will be short lived and they will avoid very crammed areas, refugee camps, and any house to house fighting. Then they will leave again and continue their usual slow annexation.
Now if Bibi wants to appease the religious right wingers and really "take" Gaza, they will need to be prepared to suffer a lot of casualties for as long as they occupy. This would be the dumbest and deadliest approach and Israel will lose a lot of the international support they have left and the results will be embarrassing for their military. Bibi only cares about saving his own corrupt a$ so he may actually try to get Israel into some serious long lasting conflict. Israelis may need to ready themselves to see much more frequent terror within their borders. As for Hamas, not going to get wiped out.
Your predictions were a lot of words, but you didn't say much other than you dislike "Bibi" and his corrupt a$ and seem to dislike Israel. We expect more out of smart people. You will be taken off the list of Smarts.
I think you are wrong. I think Israel is going to make good on its claims to reduced the Gaza strip to a pile of rubble. They cut the power off, the cut off all supplies including food and medicine. That act alone will kill 10-20,000. Air strikes all day and night will kill 10,000 per day at least. And they haven't even started the invasion yet.
You're a certified moron for believing they will destroy Gaza. It's what happens when you get emotionally triggered. Total genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza would make it very hard for Israel to ever have any day of peace. Surely even you are capable of seeing that. Try not to be emotional and do some thinking. Or you know what, be as emotional about the 70 years of murdering of Palestinians as you are about the murdering of Israelis.
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Lived in the Levant wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
The Koran, for example, never mentions Jerusalem
I support the rights of Jewish people in the middle east, Israel should exist as a democracy etc, and be able to defend itself from threats to its people... (blanket disclaimer so we dont get sidetracked)
But the quoted above is just a stupid talking point, exactly what I would expect from morons on this forum.
The Quran discusses the Night Journey - a foundational event in Islam - and implicitly mentions Jerusalem as the site of "the farthest mosque" (أَسۡرَىٰ بِعَبۡدِهِۦ لَيۡلٗا مِّنَ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡحَرَامِ إِلَى ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡأَقۡصَا). This verse in the Quran is why Jerusalem and specifically the Temple Mount / Dome of the Rock / Al-Aqsa mosque are so important to Islam.
To act like Jerusalem's significance is made up because it doesn't use the word "Jerusalem" is like toddler level reasoning.
You'll be called an anti-semite is 3, 2, 1...
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tNUOcca wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Can you elaborate a bit more on the offer and conditions?
Palestine: 100% of Gaza, 100% of West Bank, 22% of the land in Israel with 78% in Jewish control, including land they stole from Palestinians.
Israel: Rejected the above out of "concerns" that a complete return to the 1967 borders was dangerous to Israel's security. Israel did not want their illegal settlements in those areas to panic the occupants into moving back to Israel.
Basically, Israel didn't want to station troops in Palestine to protect illegal settlements from being taken back by the rightful owners.
That clears it up
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Sally Vix wrote:
Avner wrote:
Are you incapable of basic comprehension?
It appears, ACCORDING TO THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE that children were not beheaded. That is the point, can you read?
As for the attack itself, disgusting and condemn it without reserve. Same for the bombardment of innocents in Gaza since the weekend.
Huge difference - Israel attempts to avoid bombarding innocents - Hamas was targeting specifically residential areas.
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).
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Avner wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
You can defend beheading children
Are you incapable of basic comprehension?
It appears, ACCORDING TO THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE that children were not beheaded. That is the point, can you read?
As for the attack itself, disgusting and condemn it without reserve. Same for the bombardment of innocents in Gaza since the weekend.
If you try to fact check you're antisemitic
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Trollminator wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
The people of Hamas must be eradicated and Gaza reduced to rubble. Enough of this nonsense. The "Palestinians" speak Arabic, which is not a language specific to Palestine, nor had they identified as Palestinians before Egypt’s President Nasser so dubbed them in 1964. They were Arab nomads before this.
In reality, there is no ethnic difference between Palestinian Arabs, Syrians and Jordanians. Likewise, Palestinians have no culture peculiar to Palestine, nor do they have strong religious ties to it. They are just run of the mill Jew hating arabs. They have no special rights and are not owed anything any anyone.
The Koran, for example, never mentions Jerusalem
The arab dehumanizing propaganda worked really well with this one
You should check out the koran or some Palestinian children's tv shows...
As always you are completely confused about reality.
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Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Huge difference - Israel attempts to avoid bombarding innocents - Hamas was targeting specifically residential areas.
Doesn't work that, murder is murder and both deliberately killed civilians (and both claim to have good reasons for it).
Still trying to equate killing infants in their cribs with Hamas hiding behind civilians eh?
You're disgusting.
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I'm seeing some interesting logic here... if it is suspected that a Hamas militant is hiding in an apartment building it is justified to destroy that building regardless of how many civilians are killed in the process. Apparently this has been acceptable for decades but it changes when the murdered are Israelis. Why the inconsistency?
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Trollminator wrote:
I'm seeing some interesting logic here... if it is suspected that a Hamas militant is hiding in an apartment building it is justified to destroy that building regardless of how many civilians are killed in the process. Apparently this has been acceptable for decades but it changes when the murdered are Israelis. Why the inconsistency?
Hamas enters a civilian building with no military targets and kills all of the people because they are Jews.
Israel targets military targets which Hamas hides among the civilian population for the specific purpose of getting their own people killed for PR.
Are you seriously incapable of seeing the difference?
Hamas' military HQ is literally under a hospital.
They do this for a reason.
Israel warns people to leave before they destroy a building. Hamas tells them to stay.
They do this for a reason.
To manipulate stupid people like you.
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wazzu1452 wrote:
Most Palestinians trace their lineage to other Arab lands. What’s more, unlike the Jews, Palestinians have no unique language, culture or religion—essential markers of indigenous peoples.
The Palestinians have never had a state, nor have they had sovereignty over any land in the Middle East.
Israel has many times offered to turn over most of land it won after its defensive war against Jordan in 1967 in exchange for peace, but the Palestinians have refused all those offers.
King David founded Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish kingdom around 1000 BC, before the advent of Islam.
Jerusalem is cited hundreds of times in the Torah and not a single time in the Koran.
This is the characterisation tactic used to dehumanise a person/people in order to justify malicious actions against them.
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Wise Old Man wrote:
It’s just tragic all around. Lots of innocent Israelis were killed and now even more innocent Palestinians will die, and all to what end? There was a growing and powerful protest movement in Israel with the progressive, left, secular, two state solution forces gathering strength in the country on the wings of moral outrage, and now this attack will scuttle this and further empower Netanyahu and the intransigent right. And though the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis is real and painful, we should not lose sight of the fact that this attack was encouraged in this very moment by Iran as part of their battle with Saudi Arabia for dominance in the region. The Palestinian cause and the Palestinian people are nothing but pawns in Iran’s efforts to ensure there is no peace between Israel and Saudi and to undercut the Saudis, their mortal enemies.
This comment reminded me of how the Ukraine war was instigated by the US in order to prevent cooperation between Europe and Russia.
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BigTex wrote:
spotter oof idiots wrote:
All deaths caused by starvation fall on those who starved them to death. This is an Israel led genocide/holocaust.
Nope. Hamas could turn themselves in, give up control of Gaza, and release all of the hostages. This would end the siege and the citizens would have access to all they needed.
Maybe temporarily.
But the Gaza Strip and Palestine have been under attack and siege for decades prior to the inception of Hamas. Indeed the areas of Palestine that are not controlled by Hamas today can attest to that.
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