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Another weekend is going to pass us by without hearing anything from new gen camp
You'll never hear anything from them because they don't think they've done anything wrong. The nice thing is the key brands they've worked with of late (HOKA and On) have both taken notice of what's going on and are working to fully remove themselves from working with New Gen. A number of other brands refuse to work with them. Take away the shoe brands and New Gen has almost no income, which means they'll quickly fade away.
Another weekend is going to pass us by without hearing anything from new gen camp
You'll never hear anything from them because they don't think they've done anything wrong. The nice thing is the key brands they've worked with of late (HOKA and On) have both taken notice of what's going on and are working to fully remove themselves from working with New Gen. A number of other brands refuse to work with them. Take away the shoe brands and New Gen has almost no income, which means they'll quickly fade away.
They'll still try to take kids money that buy their 'misogyny magazine'
Another weekend is going to pass us by without hearing anything from new gen camp
You'll never hear anything from them because they don't think they've done anything wrong. The nice thing is the key brands they've worked with of late (HOKA and On) have both taken notice of what's going on and are working to fully remove themselves from working with New Gen. A number of other brands refuse to work with them. Take away the shoe brands and New Gen has almost no income, which means they'll quickly fade away.
I wonder if they’ll ever post again under the New Gen account or if they know they’re done
Listen to this episode from Nobody Asked Us with Des & Kara on Spotify. You can't have a Nobody Asked Us episode without a pet update. In the intro, Des gives in an update on her puppy Rivers, and Kara details the history tha...
Kara said that she did some research and saw that New Gen's goal is to bring fresh new media to the sport. But she feels that they miss on that, and that New Gen is kinda just doing what's always been done, which is create media that depicts that "the men are cool, and women were kinda sexualized." It's been that way forever, "the men are the tough guys out running and the women are posing more provocatively" in their content
Both Des and Kara were kind and understanding to the high schoolers involved, saying that they did stuff when they were younger and they were happy social media wasn't around when they were young. And Des brought up a good point that back then you had a waiting period waiting for your disposable camera film to get developed, and it allowed you to think and process and be removed from the situation you originally took a photo of before deciding if you were then going to show this photo to their friends. And kids don't get that anymore with how instant social media is, and once it's online it's online forever, even after it's "deleted"
Both Kara and Des agree that "fresh blood" is good for the sport. And that they do think mistakes were made with new gen that shouldn't be made. And are curios if New Gen is going to try and bounce back.
And that was basically it, they switched to a different topic after like 8 minutes of talking about it
I don't think they know anything about this thread (which I don't blame them for not checking letsrun, cause some people post horrific uncalled things about them and other women in the sport constantly)
But they seemed way to chill for how serious the topic was (not saying that they were acting careless, but I mean it as in them not knowing how much deeper and darker the story actually went), and because the only thing they mentioned was the bullying photoshoot and that was it. So I think that's all they think happened, I don't think they know about all of the grooming allegations, and knowing them I think that they would have a much hotter take and some anger.
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Kara said that she did some research and saw that New Gen's goal is to bring fresh new media to the sport. But she feels that they miss on that, and that New Gen is kinda just doing what's always been done, which is create media that depicts that "the men are cool, and women were kinda sexualized." It's been that way forever, "the men are the tough guys out running and the women are posing more provocatively" in their content
Both Des and Kara were kind and understanding to the high schoolers involved, saying that they did stuff when they were younger and they were happy social media wasn't around when they were young. And Des brought up a good point that back then you had a waiting period waiting for your disposable camera film to get developed, and it allowed you to think and process and be removed from the situation you originally took a photo of before deciding if you were then going to show this photo to their friends. And kids don't get that anymore with how instant social media is, and once it's online it's online forever, even after it's "deleted"
Both Kara and Des agree that "fresh blood" is good for the sport. And that they do think mistakes were made with new gen that shouldn't be made. And are curios if New Gen is going to try and bounce back.
And that was basically it, they switched to a different topic after like 8 minutes of talking about it
I don't think they know anything about this thread (which I don't blame them for not checking letsrun, cause some people post horrific uncalled things about them and other women in the sport constantly)
But they seemed way to chill for how serious the topic was (not saying that they were acting careless, but I mean it as in them not knowing how much deeper and darker the story actually went), and because the only thing they mentioned was the bullying photoshoot and that was it. So I think that's all they think happened, I don't think they know about all of the grooming allegations, and knowing them I think that they would have a much hotter take and some anger.
I was surprised they even brought it up cause I thought if anyone would, the LetsRun podcast would. I guess it was a pretty big deal on Instagram, but I think they may be aware of this thread. Kara had a pause before she said something about reading the "um, comments." Des said she didn't think the adults in the situation necessarily had the maturity to assess what was appropriate or not. But they can learn and do better.
Thought they handled it well. You can't really be throwing around grooming accusations with the scant knowledge they may have.
Kara said that she did some research and saw that New Gen's goal is to bring fresh new media to the sport. But she feels that they miss on that, and that New Gen is kinda just doing what's always been done, which is create media that depicts that "the men are cool, and women were kinda sexualized." It's been that way forever, "the men are the tough guys out running and the women are posing more provocatively" in their content
Both Des and Kara were kind and understanding to the high schoolers involved, saying that they did stuff when they were younger and they were happy social media wasn't around when they were young. And Des brought up a good point that back then you had a waiting period waiting for your disposable camera film to get developed, and it allowed you to think and process and be removed from the situation you originally took a photo of before deciding if you were then going to show this photo to their friends. And kids don't get that anymore with how instant social media is, and once it's online it's online forever, even after it's "deleted"
Both Kara and Des agree that "fresh blood" is good for the sport. And that they do think mistakes were made with new gen that shouldn't be made. And are curios if New Gen is going to try and bounce back.
And that was basically it, they switched to a different topic after like 8 minutes of talking about it
I don't think they know anything about this thread (which I don't blame them for not checking letsrun, cause some people post horrific uncalled things about them and other women in the sport constantly)
But they seemed way to chill for how serious the topic was (not saying that they were acting careless, but I mean it as in them not knowing how much deeper and darker the story actually went), and because the only thing they mentioned was the bullying photoshoot and that was it. So I think that's all they think happened, I don't think they know about all of the grooming allegations, and knowing them I think that they would have a much hotter take and some anger.
I was surprised they even brought it up cause I thought if anyone would, the LetsRun podcast would. I guess it was a pretty big deal on Instagram, but I think they may be aware of this thread. Kara had a pause before she said something about reading the "um, comments." Des said she didn't think the adults in the situation necessarily had the maturity to assess what was appropriate or not. But they can learn and do better.
Thought they handled it well. You can't really be throwing around grooming accusations with the scant knowledge they may have.
I've skimmed this thread and have a vague idea of the problems people have with New Gen, but it's now so many pages long I can't catchup on everything. Would anyone mind posting the cliffnotes version of the last 50 pages?
I've skimmed this thread and have a vague idea of the problems people have with New Gen, but it's now so many pages long I can't catchup on everything. Would anyone mind posting the cliffnotes version of the last 50 pages?
Bullying photo shoot=bad
A counsler told a kid to sexualize one of his adult friends, among other conduct that would fairly be argued as "grooming" a minor= really bad
New gen apologized (for the photoshoot), deleted the apology, and is now pretending that nothing happened = this thread will continue to be be bumped until new gen addresses this thread throughly and publicly.
ROJO should invite Wisner and Ben Crawford to the podcast and conduct a house judiciary esque hearing.
I was listening to the podcast, really disappointed in how much Kara completely misunderstood the situation, and also kept positioning it regarding the high schoolers
No one is mad at the High Schoolers, it's all about the creepy young adults.
Des tried to pull it back a bit but didnt know enough about it either. Way to half-bake a discussion folks, it's not like young athletes look up to you or you have major roles within sports journalism/presenting......
Kara said that she did some research and saw that New Gen's goal is to bring fresh new media to the sport. But she feels that they miss on that, and that New Gen is kinda just doing what's always been done, which is create media that depicts that "the men are cool, and women were kinda sexualized." It's been that way forever, "the men are the tough guys out running and the women are posing more provocatively" in their content
Both Des and Kara were kind and understanding to the high schoolers involved, saying that they did stuff when they were younger and they were happy social media wasn't around when they were young. And Des brought up a good point that back then you had a waiting period waiting for your disposable camera film to get developed, and it allowed you to think and process and be removed from the situation you originally took a photo of before deciding if you were then going to show this photo to their friends. And kids don't get that anymore with how instant social media is, and once it's online it's online forever, even after it's "deleted"
Both Kara and Des agree that "fresh blood" is good for the sport. And that they do think mistakes were made with new gen that shouldn't be made. And are curios if New Gen is going to try and bounce back.
And that was basically it, they switched to a different topic after like 8 minutes of talking about it
I don't think they know anything about this thread (which I don't blame them for not checking letsrun, cause some people post horrific uncalled things about them and other women in the sport constantly)
But they seemed way to chill for how serious the topic was (not saying that they were acting careless, but I mean it as in them not knowing how much deeper and darker the story actually went), and because the only thing they mentioned was the bullying photoshoot and that was it. So I think that's all they think happened, I don't think they know about all of the grooming allegations, and knowing them I think that they would have a much hotter take and some anger.
I was surprised they even brought it up cause I thought if anyone would, the LetsRun podcast would. I guess it was a pretty big deal on Instagram, but I think they may be aware of this thread. Kara had a pause before she said something about reading the "um, comments." Des said she didn't think the adults in the situation necessarily had the maturity to assess what was appropriate or not. But they can learn and do better.
Thought they handled it well. You can't really be throwing around grooming accusations with the scant knowledge they may have.
I think by the "um, comments" that she meant the instagram comments, cause a ton of homophobic stuff was being said to emma, and other stuff went down on insta in the comments
And no one is "throwing grooming allegations" around. It's documented by several campers in their own blogs that adult male counselors had several conversations about sexual topics with high school girls. And I'm assuming that they're true cause I know that the counselors read those blogs, for some of the kids the counselors even gave them writing advice on it. So if it was a lie New Gen would have made them remove it when it first went live. But they didnt, nor see any issue with it staying in (well at least until now when it's biting them in the butt that people are starting to pay attention)
I don't think that the counselors are trying to sleep with the kids, but they can still be doing plenty of emotional trauma to these young teenage girls and that needs to be taken seriously with what's been posted so far. It's freaky and weird they're so open and find it normal to talk about sex and take sex quizes with minors. And that those were the only things documented, who knows what else happens, like all of them alluding to getting high together and other stuff
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I've skimmed this thread and have a vague idea of the problems people have with New Gen, but it's now so many pages long I can't catchup on everything. Would anyone mind posting the cliffnotes version of the last 50 pages?
Bullying photo shoot=bad
A counsler told a kid to sexualize one of his adult friends, among other conduct that would fairly be argued as "grooming" a minor= really bad
New gen apologized (for the photoshoot), deleted the apology, and is now pretending that nothing happened = this thread will continue to be be bumped until new gen addresses this thread throughly and publicly.
ROJO should invite Wisner and Ben Crawford to the podcast and conduct a house judiciary esque hearing.
You left out some other stuff.
Emma Gee called New Gen out for a photoshoot they did which was demeaning to women and possibly triggering for some youth. Fans of New Gen responded with homophobic slurs and attacks to Emma. One of the more egregious comments was from a likely photographer of the original photos. The fans just seemed particularly toxic.
None of the "leaders" of the camp seemed to want to take responsibility for the thing. Unfortunately it's a bunch of lonely 24 year olds looking for ways to meet high school girls.
A counsler told a kid to sexualize one of his adult friends, among other conduct that would fairly be argued as "grooming" a minor= really bad
New gen apologized (for the photoshoot), deleted the apology, and is now pretending that nothing happened = this thread will continue to be be bumped until new gen addresses this thread throughly and publicly.
ROJO should invite Wisner and Ben Crawford to the podcast and conduct a house judiciary esque hearing.
You left out some other stuff.
Emma Gee called New Gen out for a photoshoot they did which was demeaning to women and possibly triggering for some youth. Fans of New Gen responded with homophobic slurs and attacks to Emma. One of the more egregious comments was from a likely photographer of the original photos. The fans just seemed particularly toxic.
None of the "leaders" of the camp seemed to want to take responsibility for the thing. Unfortunately it's a bunch of lonely 24 year olds looking for ways to meet high school girls.
I listened to the Kara and Des podcast. It seems like they made the right choice to not comment on some things. It's hard for them to corroborate what they read on a message board. I do wish they commented about the homophobic slurs one of their photographers made.
Regardless, the point of this thread was the toxicity of these young men and their actions/response to criticism.
They posted potentially traumatic pictures of boys abusing girls. Not because it was art, but as a fellow camper said, because it was "funny." When I was in high school, I had classmates overdosing on heroin. Maybe it would be "funny" to do a collection influenced by needle sharing? How about a really "funny" one about gym teachers showering with their students? Or is that one a little too "close"? Classic Y2K 16 candles related humor!!
The "adults" in the room have power both as mentors and owners of a media outlet. They may not have meant to, but they have to understand their influence. You could imagine the peer pressure these high school girls felt when all of the boys and 24 year old camp counselors were patting themselves on the back for such a great idea. Try being a 16 year old girl in a room full of people you want to fit in with (or are hoping to be hired by) and saying no to that idea. "Want to be the one shoved into a locker? That would be so cool!"
Then the response to the criticism was to light Emma Gee up, calling her a disappointment to her parents because she is gay and saying it was because she could capture the male gaze.
New Generation wouldn't necessarily have to answer for this, yet they posted the pictures on their page and even apologized for it (for an hour before removing the post).
I've skimmed this thread and have a vague idea of the problems people have with New Gen, but it's now so many pages long I can't catchup on everything. Would anyone mind posting the cliffnotes version of the last 50 pages?
Bullying photo shoot=bad
A counsler told a kid to sexualize one of his adult friends, among other conduct that would fairly be argued as "grooming" a minor= really bad
New gen apologized (for the photoshoot), deleted the apology, and is now pretending that nothing happened = this thread will continue to be be bumped until new gen addresses this thread throughly and publicly.
ROJO should invite Wisner and Ben Crawford to the podcast and conduct a house judiciary esque hearing.
Your choice to leave out important facts obscures what was really going on at the New Gen camp that many outsiders found so objectionable.
Bullying photo shoot=bad
That's putting it mildly.
The photos people objected to didn't depict just "bullying." They depicted, and appeared to condone, celebrate and make light of physical violence against girls - and girls alone.
One of the photos you describe as merely "bullying" showed a teenage girl having her head shoved inside a metal school locker by a tall, well-muscled post-pubescent male who looked to be a lot larger than the girl he was portrayed as gleefully assaulting
The other photos of so-called "bullying" that many found offensive showed the face of a teenage girl looking alarmed, distressed and panicking for air as her head was being shoved and held underwater - supposedly in a toilet bowl getting a "swirly." In that scenario, the people shown supposedly commiting the physical assault on the girl were two other girls.
Also, the problem isn't just that these photos were shot. It's that the scenarios of teenage girls being violently assaulted that the photos depict were apparently cooked up, scripted, staged and photographed under the supervision - and possibly at the direction and insistence - of the grown men who run New Gen.
Then to top it all off, New Gen published these photos that appear to encourage, celebrate and make light of physical violence against teenage girls on Instagram. Worse, these photos were presented as examples of the kinds of supposedly cutting-edge, cool, creative and inventive media that New Gen is teaching the wet-behind-the-ears high school-age kids attending its summer camp to make and post on social media as good ways to market themselves.
AFAICT, New Gen didn't publish any photos of staged scenes showing male teenagers being physically assaulted.
A counsler told a kid to sexualize one of his adult friends, among other conduct that would fairly be argued as "grooming" a minor= really bad
Again, that's putting it mildly.
The kid here is a girl, a female child, who was 15-years old at the time. The "camp counselor" who told the 15-year-old girl to sexualize his adult friend is a man in his 20s - a man who's one of big shots at New Gen that the 15-year-old girl obviously looked up to and saw as a role model.
The New Gen big shot's adult friend whom he told the 15-year-old girl to sexualize is also a grown man around the same age as the first guy and he's another big shot with celebrity status in the world of New Gen. The 15-year-old girl apparently looked up to the man she was told to sexualize and saw him as an admirable, even awe-inspiring, role model or idol too.
Moreover, the first man in his 20s who's a big shot at New Gen who told the 15-year-old girl to sexualize his adult male friend did this under the guise of acting as a professional mentor to the girl. The grown man big cheese at New Gen who told the 15-year-old girl to sexualize another grown man in his 20s, his pal and another New Gen big cheese, did this under the pretense that he was offering the gullible 15-year-old girl a valuable tip and sage advice on how best to conduct a proper media interview with an adult male athlete in order to produce a profile of him worthy of publication in a magazine like New Gen's or another "grown up" platform.
Then there's the rest, such as the completely inappropriate questionnaire about sex that New Gen staff apparently told this girl and other underage kids in NG's charge, or under its sway, to take.
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