Yes, we’ve got the worst of everything in our response here in USA: self-defeating leadership; poor testing (with no tracking); poor, expensive, privatized healthcare; lack of PPE; uneven social distancing measures; political divisions; everything really.
CountChocula wrote:
I am astounded that Italy has been on lockdown for a month but continues to have ~4,000 new cases per day. I guess this is what flattening the curve looks like, but it's bad news for anyone who wants the USA to open up in May.
+1
the 'peaks' we're seeing are quite round and even flat. If we trust the data.
But I will say that the testing data is deeply flawed...it's entirely possible and even likely that the real number of new cases has dropped a large amount...but since there is more and better testing, they are finding more cases. Which makes it look like cases have not dropped so much, when they actually have.
Looking at use of ICU beds might be a good test to get around that.
agip wrote:
CountChocula wrote:
I am astounded that Italy has been on lockdown for a month but continues to have ~4,000 new cases per day. I guess this is what flattening the curve looks like, but it's bad news for anyone who wants the USA to open up in May.
+1
the 'peaks' we're seeing are quite round and even flat. If we trust the data.
But I will say that the testing data is deeply flawed...it's entirely possible and even likely that the real number of new cases has dropped a large amount...but since there is more and better testing, they are finding more cases. Which makes it look like cases have not dropped so much, when they actually have.
Looking at use of ICU beds might be a good test to get around that.
unless I am using the term 'case' wrong. Which is possible.
Fauci said the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus. A slippery slope, if you ask me. "Your papers please!"
Eventually this leads to "can’t “buy or sell” without it? ... where have I read that before? hmmmm......
New York now has more coronavirus cases than any other country, except China. Great job by Fredo's brother and DiBlasio protecting the city and the state. Don’t understand why everyone is saying that Cuomo is great.
NY is Number 1!!
That’s how this works, right?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Fauci said the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus. A slippery slope, if you ask me. "Your papers please!"
Eventually this leads to "can’t “buy or sell” without it? ... where have I read that before? hmmmm......
Finally something we agree on:
Donald Trump is the antichrist.
Outright lying from the Trump campaign, they realize how gullible people can be:
Trump understands that you can simply make stuff up and a certain percentage of of people will believe you and another percentage of people will know you're lying but won't care.
Off the top of my head, they made up the whole Biden-Ukraine thing, they ran an ad in SC before the Dem primary misrepresenting what Obama said in speech (to the point where Obama asked TV stations in SC not to run it), and ran another ad editing a speech Biden gave to make it seem like he was endorsing Trump.
For years, we heard about the whole Clinton-uranium deal thing. Well, Sessions and Barr did a two year investigation and found nothing. For years, we've heard about voter fraud, and Trump started a voter fraud commission that found nothing. Even Andrew McCabe got investigated by Trump's DOJ, and they found nothing.
I'm not saying that everything that Trump claims is false, but I wouldn't believe anything that he says because he says it; you have to wait for it to come from a credible source.
moderates suck wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Fauci said the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus. A slippery slope, if you ask me. "Your papers please!"
Eventually this leads to "can’t “buy or sell” without it? ... where have I read that before? hmmmm......
Finally something we agree on:
Donald Trump is the antichrist.
Fatpole disagrees with you.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Fauci said the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus. A slippery slope, if you ask me. "Your papers please!"
Eventually this leads to "can’t “buy or sell” without it? ... where have I read that before? hmmmm......
You haven't filled out many forms in your life. I guess you don't even have a passport - another "slippery slope". And since you weren't around in 1918 you haven't experienced a pandemic like this either. But I would not expect a Trump nutjob to have any grasp of reality.
Why do the 7 states with the most Coronavirus cases all have Democrat governors?
Are Democratic governors incapable of running their states?
1. New York 161,807 832 7,844 40
2. New Jersey 54,588 615 1,932 22
3. Michigan 21,504 215 1,076 11
4. California 20,296 51 550 1
5. Pennsylvania 20,051 157 418 3
6. Massachusetts 18,941 275 503 7
7. Louisiana
Would the US be better of if all the governors were Republican?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
moderates suck wrote:
Finally something we agree on:
Donald Trump is the antichrist.
Fatpole disagrees with you.
Don't care what tiny Willie thinks. Has no knowledge or self-awareness.
moderates suck wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Fatpole disagrees with you.
Don't care what tiny Willie thinks. Has no knowledge or self-awareness.
I like that nickname!
Polly Plumpers wrote:
Why do the 7 states with the most Coronavirus cases all have Democrat governors?
Are Democratic governors incapable of running their states?
1. New York 161,807 832 7,844 40
2. New Jersey 54,588 615 1,932 22
3. Michigan 21,504 215 1,076 11
4. California 20,296 51 550 1
5. Pennsylvania 20,051 157 418 3
6. Massachusetts 18,941 275 503 7
7. Louisiana
Would the US be better of if all the governors were Republican?
Well, the real answer to your question is that states with large, highly populated cities tend to be Democratic, and the virus hits large, highly populated areas the worst.
3 of those 7 voted for Trump, by the way.
I'm pretty sure that Massachusetts has Republican governor, and Louisiana is a pretty red state even if the current governor is Democratic.
Polly Plumpers wrote:
Why do the 7 states with the most Coronavirus cases all have Democrat governors?
Are Democratic governors incapable of running their states?
1. New York 161,807 832 7,844 40
2. New Jersey 54,588 615 1,932 22
3. Michigan 21,504 215 1,076 11
4. California 20,296 51 550 1
5. Pennsylvania 20,051 157 418 3
6. Massachusetts 18,941 275 503 7
7. Louisiana
Would the US be better of if all the governors were Republican?
Those states have not been give enough testing supplies by Trump. As a case in point, Louisiana has conducted as many tests per million as New York and a lot more than New Jersey, the top top hot zones. Louisiana gets political favors from the orange one.
Four those states voted for Trump. In three of them he barely won. Why is Trump throwing away his voters in those states? He will lose all three in November.
johnny99 wrote:
Polly Plumpers wrote:
Why do the 7 states with the most Coronavirus cases all have Democrat governors?
Are Democratic governors incapable of running their states?
1. New York 161,807 832 7,844 40
2. New Jersey 54,588 615 1,932 22
3. Michigan 21,504 215 1,076 11
4. California 20,296 51 550 1
5. Pennsylvania 20,051 157 418 3
6. Massachusetts 18,941 275 503 7
7. Louisiana
Would the US be better of if all the governors were Republican?
Well, the real answer to your question is that states with large, highly populated cities tend to be Democratic, and the virus hits large, highly populated areas the worst.
3 of those 7 voted for Trump, by the way.
I'm pretty sure that Massachusetts has Republican governor, and Louisiana is a pretty red state even if the current governor is Democratic.
So ... the virus hits the largest and most populated cities the worst? Are you sure about that? I picked one state - Texas. Its rankings are near the bottom. But if you look at its most populous cities - it shoots your theory to smithereens.
Lets look At the most populous cities in Texas:
Houston is 4th largest
San Antonio is 7th
Dallas is 9th
Austin is 11th
And Fort Worth is 13th!
So Texas has 5 of the top 13 most populous cities in the country. 5 fo the top 13th! Almost half. But Texas is waaaay down in number of Coronavirus cases.
Oh, and Texas has a Republican governor!
1 New York[d] New York 8,398,748 8,175,133 +2.74% 301.5 sq mi 780.9 km2 28,317/sq mi 10,933/km2 40.6635°N 73.9387°W
2 Los Angeles California 3,990,456 3,792,621 +5.22% 468.7 sq mi 1,213.9 km2 8,484/sq mi 3,276/km2 34.0194°N 118.4108°W
3 Chicago Illinois 2,705,994 2,695,598 +0.39% 227.3 sq mi 588.7 km2 11,900/sq mi 4,600/km2 41.8376°N 87.6818°W
4 Houston[3] Texas 2,325,502 2,100,263 +10.72% 637.5 sq mi 1,651.1 km2 3,613/sq mi 1,395/km2 29.7866°N 95.3909°W
5 Phoenix Arizona 1,660,272 1,445,632 +14.85% 517.6 sq mi 1,340.6 km2 3,120/sq mi 1,200/km2 33.5722°N 112.0901°W
6 Philadelphia[e] Pennsylvania 1,584,138 1,526,006 +3.81% 134.2 sq mi 347.6 km2 11,683/sq mi 4,511/km2 40.0094°N 75.1333°W
7 San Antonio Texas 1,532,233 1,327,407 +15.43% 461.0 sq mi 1,194.0 km2 3,238/sq mi 1,250/km2 29.4724°N 98.5251°W
8 San Diego California 1,425,976 1,307,402 +9.07% 325.2 sq mi 842.3 km2 4,325/sq mi 1,670/km2 32.8153°N 117.1350°W
9 Dallas Texas 1,345,047 1,197,816 +12.29% 340.9 sq mi 882.9 km2 3,866/sq mi 1,493/km2 32.7933°N 96.7665°W
10 San Jose California 1,030,119 945,942 +8.90% 177.5 sq mi 459.7 km2 5,777/sq mi 2,231/km2 37.2967°N 121.8189°W
11 Austin Texas 964,254 790,390 +22.00% 312.7 sq mi 809.9 km2 3,031/sq mi 1,170/km2 30.3039°N 97.7544°W
12 Jacksonville[f] Florida 903,889 821,784 +9.99% 747.4 sq mi 1,935.8 km2 1,178/sq mi 455/km2 30.3369°N 81.6616°W
13 Fort Worth Texas 895,008 741,206 +20.75% 342.9 sq mi 888.1 km2 2,491/sq mi 962/km2 32.7815°N 97.3467°W
14 Columbus Ohio 892,533 787,033 +13.40% 218.5 sq mi 565.9 km2 3,936/sq mi 1,520/km2 39.9852°N 82.9848°W
15 San Francisco[g] California 883,305 805,235 +9.70% 46.9 sq mi 121.5 km2 18,569/sq mi 7,170/km2 37.7272°N 123.0322°W
16 Charlotte North Carolina 872,498 731,424 +19.29% 305.4 sq mi 791.0 km2 2,757/sq mi 1,064/km2 35.2078°N 80.8310°W
17 Indianapolis[h] Indiana 867,125 820,445 +5.69% 361.5 sq mi 936.3 km2 2,366/sq mi 914/km2 39.7767°N 86.1459°W
18 Seattle
Hi sally, back from ICU?
jesseriley wrote:
Hi sally, back from ICU?
Hush! I am travelling under the radar!
Not an important story, but a pretty sorry look for the "unitary executive theory"
Polly Plumpers wrote:
johnny99 wrote:
Well, the real answer to your question is that states with large, highly populated cities tend to be Democratic, and the virus hits large, highly populated areas the worst.
3 of those 7 voted for Trump, by the way.
I'm pretty sure that Massachusetts has Republican governor, and Louisiana is a pretty red state even if the current governor is Democratic.
So ... the virus hits the largest and most populated cities the worst? Are you sure about that? I picked one state - Texas. Its rankings are near the bottom. But if you look at its most populous cities - it shoots your theory to smithereens.
Lets look At the most populous cities in Texas:
Houston is 4th largest
San Antonio is 7th
Dallas is 9th
Austin is 11th
And Fort Worth is 13th!
So Texas has 5 of the top 13 most populous cities in the country. 5 fo the top 13th! Almost half. But Texas is waaaay down in number of Coronavirus cases.
Oh, and Texas has a Republican governor!
1 New York[d] New York 8,398,748 8,175,133 +2.74% 301.5 sq mi 780.9 km2 28,317/sq mi 10,933/km2 40.6635°N 73.9387°W
2 Los Angeles California 3,990,456 3,792,621 +5.22% 468.7 sq mi 1,213.9 km2 8,484/sq mi 3,276/km2 34.0194°N 118.4108°W
3 Chicago Illinois 2,705,994 2,695,598 +0.39% 227.3 sq mi 588.7 km2 11,900/sq mi 4,600/km2 41.8376°N 87.6818°W
4 Houston[3] Texas 2,325,502 2,100,263 +10.72% 637.5 sq mi 1,651.1 km2 3,613/sq mi 1,395/km2 29.7866°N 95.3909°W
5 Phoenix Arizona 1,660,272 1,445,632 +14.85% 517.6 sq mi 1,340.6 km2 3,120/sq mi 1,200/km2 33.5722°N 112.0901°W
6 Philadelphia[e] Pennsylvania 1,584,138 1,526,006 +3.81% 134.2 sq mi 347.6 km2 11,683/sq mi 4,511/km2 40.0094°N 75.1333°W
7 San Antonio Texas 1,532,233 1,327,407 +15.43% 461.0 sq mi 1,194.0 km2 3,238/sq mi 1,250/km2 29.4724°N 98.5251°W
8 San Diego California 1,425,976 1,307,402 +9.07% 325.2 sq mi 842.3 km2 4,325/sq mi 1,670/km2 32.8153°N 117.1350°W
9 Dallas Texas 1,345,047 1,197,816 +12.29% 340.9 sq mi 882.9 km2 3,866/sq mi 1,493/km2 32.7933°N 96.7665°W
10 San Jose California 1,030,119 945,942 +8.90% 177.5 sq mi 459.7 km2 5,777/sq mi 2,231/km2 37.2967°N 121.8189°W
11 Austin Texas 964,254 790,390 +22.00% 312.7 sq mi 809.9 km2 3,031/sq mi 1,170/km2 30.3039°N 97.7544°W
12 Jacksonville[f] Florida 903,889 821,784 +9.99% 747.4 sq mi 1,935.8 km2 1,178/sq mi 455/km2 30.3369°N 81.6616°W
13 Fort Worth Texas 895,008 741,206 +20.75% 342.9 sq mi 888.1 km2 2,491/sq mi 962/km2 32.7815°N 97.3467°W
14 Columbus Ohio 892,533 787,033 +13.40% 218.5 sq mi 565.9 km2 3,936/sq mi 1,520/km2 39.9852°N 82.9848°W
15 San Francisco[g] California 883,305 805,235 +9.70% 46.9 sq mi 121.5 km2 18,569/sq mi 7,170/km2 37.7272°N 123.0322°W
16 Charlotte North Carolina 872,498 731,424 +19.29% 305.4 sq mi 791.0 km2 2,757/sq mi 1,064/km2 35.2078°N 80.8310°W
17 Indianapolis[h] Indiana 867,125 820,445 +5.69% 361.5 sq mi 936.3 km2 2,366/sq mi 914/km2 39.7767°N 86.1459°W
18 Seattle
Why do you say that Texas is way down in the number of coronavirus cases?
There's lots of people that have the virus that haven't been tested. Citing numbers as you do tells you how many positive tests there have been, not how many cases of coronavirus there are. For all anyone knows, Texas may have more cases than any other state, they're just not testing as much as NY, NJ etc.
