Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

I’m sure the DOD won’t release infection numbers lol. Because they’re not in the business of counting civilian casualties or whatever. It’s a civilian virus? A new excuse every day of the week.

it's tricky with the military...the rules change in almost everything.

In the military the mission is more important than the individual.

You don't get to say 'well we had to lower our capabilities, fail our mission and tell our enemies that we are not at full strength - because you know, we were sick.'

You can do that in civilian life but not in the military.

It’s tricky but there is already some precedence and cover here as joint international military exercises have been cancelled due to infection concerns. The mission may be compromised if leaders don’t think straight... like that level headed Navy ship captain 100% making the right call. Losing troops unnecessarily is just plain stupid.

Someone asked for projections - here's a model. You can toggle through states or the entire nation.

April 15 seems to be the key day.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

agip wrote:

Racket wrote:

lol solid logic, let me know how that works out for you.

dude I was making a lame joke - you said I shouldn't make broad generalizations so I tossed another generalization right back at you . haha.

lol whoops my bad carry on

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

it's tricky with the military...the rules change in almost everything.

In the military the mission is more important than the individual.

You don't get to say 'well we had to lower our capabilities, fail our mission and tell our enemies that we are not at full strength - because you know, we were sick.'

You can do that in civilian life but not in the military.

It’s tricky but there is already some precedence and cover here as joint international military exercises have been cancelled due to infection concerns. The mission may be compromised if leaders don’t think straight... like that level headed Navy ship captain 100% making the right call. Losing troops unnecessarily is just plain stupid.

What's the story on this captain and why he was fired? What's the for and against argument? Haven't read the news articles yet on it

Racket wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

It’s tricky but there is already some precedence and cover here as joint international military exercises have been cancelled due to infection concerns. The mission may be compromised if leaders don’t think straight... like that level headed Navy ship captain 100% making the right call. Losing troops unnecessarily is just plain stupid.

What's the story on this captain and why he was fired? What's the for and against argument? Haven't read the news articles yet on it

it's a fascinating story - I'm a total armchair general so have strong views.

In a nutshell, the captain risked his career to save his sailors and airmen.

The ship had an outbreak of CV. captain tried to contain it, failed, and wasn't getting any sympathy from his superior officers. As more and more people got sick, the captain went outside the chain of command and emailed a couple dozen people, trying to get some traction on the problem. He thought he would lose lives in peacetime on his watch, and he did not want that to happen.

The email got to the press, which published it. The civilian officials in charge of the navy then relieved him of command, saying trump wanted him gone.

Afterwards, the captain himself tested positive.

it's a classic peacetime military problem - how do you prioritize between the mission and the people. The captain felt his superior officers were prioritizing the mission too much, and risking lives at peacetime.

Others felt that going outside the chain of command is never appropriate. And that telling the world that one of our few nuclear carriers was not at full strength is a complete no-no.

So he was relieved of command.

When he left the ship his sailors saluted him for prioritizing their health.

Has to be made clear that he knew his command was at risk for doing this.

And also - he's not fired...he lost his command. He did not lose rank, I believe.

Racket wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

It’s tricky but there is already some precedence and cover here as joint international military exercises have been cancelled due to infection concerns. The mission may be compromised if leaders don’t think straight... like that level headed Navy ship captain 100% making the right call. Losing troops unnecessarily is just plain stupid.

What's the story on this captain and why he was fired? What's the for and against argument? Haven't read the news articles yet on it

The Navy says it got rid of him because his letter was sent to 30 people instead of going up the chain of command. Consequently, it got leaked.

I don't know his side of the story as to why he did it that way. Maybe it was justified.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

What's the story on this captain and why he was fired? What's the for and against argument? Haven't read the news articles yet on it

The Navy says it got rid of him because his letter was sent to 30 people instead of going up the chain of command. Consequently, it got leaked.

I don't know his side of the story as to why he did it that way. Maybe it was justified.

His side of the story will remain unknown until he's a civilian. Clearly he wasn't acting within his orders or authority when he took the issue outside of his superiors. Still, tells you a lot when his subordinates salute him and he is seen as a hero to many. Senior people felt embarrassed and needless to say some probably didn't stand up for him.

In the middle of the deadliest days for Americans, in the middle of a crisis that I have never seen before in my lifetime, Trump takes this opportunity to fire Michael Atkinson who only did his job by sending the whistle blower complaint to congress.

Trump does this now? What a total a$$.

What's wrong with this guy?

Yes, I am angry.

Conundrum wrote:

In the middle of the deadliest days for Americans, in the middle of a crisis that I have never seen before in my lifetime, Trump takes this opportunity to fire Michael Atkinson who only did his job by sending the whistle blower complaint to congress.

Trump does this now? What a total a$$.

What's wrong with this guy?

Yes, I am angry.

be just as angry at Mitch McC. He's Trump's enabler. he could shut down that kind of corruption if he wanted to, but he's a coward so he won't.

Mitch could have been one of the heroes of American history. He will regret his decision not to be.

Conundrum wrote:

In the middle of the deadliest days for Americans, in the middle of a crisis that I have never seen before in my lifetime, Trump takes this opportunity to fire Michael Atkinson who only did his job by sending the whistle blower complaint to congress.

Trump does this now? What a total a$$.

What's wrong with this guy?

Yes, I am angry.

Didn't Atkinson have no choice in sending it to congress? If he had buried it and the phone call story leaked out, he would been crucified.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

In the middle of the deadliest days for Americans, in the middle of a crisis that I have never seen before in my lifetime, Trump takes this opportunity to fire Michael Atkinson who only did his job by sending the whistle blower complaint to congress.

Trump does this now? What a total a$$.

What's wrong with this guy?

Yes, I am angry.

Didn't Atkinson have no choice in sending it to congress? If he had buried it and the phone call story leaked out, he would been crucified.

trump frequently punishes people for following the law.

Trollminator wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The Navy says it got rid of him because his letter was sent to 30 people instead of going up the chain of command. Consequently, it got leaked.

I don't know his side of the story as to why he did it that way. Maybe it was justified.

His side of the story will remain unknown until he's a civilian. Clearly he wasn't acting within his orders or authority when he took the issue outside of his superiors. Still, tells you a lot when his subordinates salute him and he is seen as a hero to many. Senior people felt embarrassed and needless to say some probably didn't stand up for him.

Trump told the chain of command to ignore him ... his ship was to ride the illness on their own. Yes, multi-deferment, draft dodging, cadet Bone Spurs want them to man up.

Captain Crozier was not getting any response for the ship's need of help (ventilators, pandemic trained doctors) so he finally acted by writing the letter. He did not leak the letter. The White House most likely did that to get even.

The captain acted correctly. This was not a war time situation. Sailors did not need to die for no reason other than appeasing the orange fat man. Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly, who fared the captain said on March 31st, "We don't disagree with the (commanding officer) on that ship, and we're doing it in a very methodical way." So, why was he fired if they agreed with him?

Refuse to believe the above if you so chose. But note that Trump has stated something about wondering how many of the sailors onboard took shore leave, with that being his reasoning for why they got the virus ... ignoring that he and the Navy DID NOT issue any command to not allow shore leave.

agip wrote:

trump frequently punishes people for following the law.

No need to guess how the orange one feels when he sees this

"The shuttered operations [Trump properties] amounted to some $650,000 a day in lost revenue, the newspaper reported." LOL . . . completely ignoring the avoid expenses like not buying food and cleaning supplies, and not paying workers. Trump always looking to illegally maximize a loss. "Trump Organization representatives reached out to Deutsche Bank’s private banking unit in New York last month for preliminary talks to discuss new loan arrangements." A month ago was just BEFORE the sh!t really hit the fan. The DOW topped 9000 points AFTER Trump asked for loan relief.

Ciro wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/deutsche-bank-trump-debt-help-coronavirus-conflict-of-interest-132441939.html

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

What's the story on this captain and why he was fired? What's the for and against argument? Haven't read the news articles yet on it

The Navy says it got rid of him because his letter was sent to 30 people instead of going up the chain of command. Consequently, it got leaked.

I don't know his side of the story as to why he did it that way. Maybe it was justified.

His letter was totally irresponsible. He advertised to our enemies his ship's compromised condition of his crew. He deserved to lose his command.

You never let the enemy know what the status of your ship is. Never, ever. He put more soldiers at risk than the virus did.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

His letter was totally irresponsible. He advertised to our enemies his ship's compromised condition of his crew.

Who are "our enemies" in the Pacific? There are no wars there.

FYI: The letter was leaked by Trump. Do try to keep up.

agip wrote:

And also - he's not fired...he lost his command. He did not lose rank, I believe.

In the military if you lose your command you are said to have been fired. When Ike "fired" a bunch of generals in WWII he didn't actually separate them from the service; he relieved them of command and they were given other duties (or decided to retire, etc.).