Make America Great Again wrote:
Tell us how many people lost their lives because Jared met the Russian lawyer.
Quite a few, it seems.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-follow-the-money-and-the-trail-of-dead-1490889366-htmlstory.htmlDisco already proved you wrong. Besides learning to think. Learn to read.-1/10
Think Before You Drink wrote:
Uh, ... Just .... Blah, blah, blah . . .
RomneyCare wrote:
Disco already proved you wrong. Besides learning to think. Learn to read.
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Think Before You Drink wrote:Uh, ... Just .... Blah, blah, blah . . .
Uh no. The Disco Kid proved me right (as always - the Kid is nothing if not predictable).
Now I know you are feeling stupid about now and have nothing at all at this point (hence your nothing post). No worries, that is a totally normal reaction. You are stupid.
Remember, think before posting.
I was about to say the same or worse about the democrat party.
eric a blair wrote:
as for the result - if the GOP can't kill off obamacare, most likely a whole crop of super right wingers will primary the current repubs. Will be a GOP civil war and not be good for either the GOP or the country.
The republican primary voters are one of the biggest problems in the nation. They are far, far to the right of the nation but they vote. So they skew the repub candidate way more right than would be good.
US candidates should be within the 40 yard lines. But the repubs are edging toward the 25.
Hey, look at that! It's the same in both parties! Primaries are won mostly far off the center, then the inevitable shift to the middle, spurning most of those primary voters...Regardless of your world view, there are lots of things with which the left and right can agree, or fashion an agreement.
itsbaddude wrote:
I was about to say the same or worse about the democrat party.
eric a blair wrote:as for the result - if the GOP can't kill off obamacare, most likely a whole crop of super right wingers will primary the current repubs. Will be a GOP civil war and not be good for either the GOP or the country.
The republican primary voters are one of the biggest problems in the nation. They are far, far to the right of the nation but they vote. So they skew the repub candidate way more right than would be good.
US candidates should be within the 40 yard lines. But the repubs are edging toward the 25.
Whether ObamaCare is similar to RomneyCare is irrelevant. What matters is does it work or not. It is clear it is not working. Romney opposed Obamacare because he thought that one size does not fit all. 6 million in a central location vs 300 million diverse people spread across a huge and diverse country.Furthermore, you are implying that the Democrats basically copied the Republicans because they had no idea of what they are doing. If that is true, then you must expect the next great answer to also come from the Republicans.
RomneyCare wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Nonsense. ...
As expected. The true Disco reveals he will never blame republicans for inventing the ACA through Romneycare.
eric a blair wrote:
as for the result - if the GOP can't kill off obamacare, most likely a whole crop of super right wingers will primary the current repubs. Will be a GOP civil war and not be good for either the GOP or the country.
The republican primary voters are one of the biggest problems in the nation. They are far, far to the right of the nation but they vote. So they skew the repub candidate way more right than would be good.
US candidates should be within the 40 yard lines. But the repubs are edging toward the 25.
So Bernie sanders someone who got the support of 40% of your party is within the 40 yard lines?
How is it clear that Obamacare is not working?
Millions of people have access to care and affordable coverage that didn't have it before.
Premium rate increases have slowed down.
More people are better off from it than are worse off from it.
We keep hearing buzz words about it failing or it's going to implode.
But where's your backup?
Companies are dropping from the exchanges now because of the uncertainty of the current administration.
Romney ran against it to get the Republican nomination.
But that strategy couldn't win him the general.
I don't think he really believed it should be up to the states.
If Obama didn't pass his version, Romney would have run on what he did in his state, which is what is now the ACA.
Obamacare is only considered bad because it was passed by Obama.
If any Republican passed the exact same law, Republicans would have been jizzing themselves about how great it is.
I'm very curious as to how Trump has or will "drain the swamp". What does this mean for Trump? He certainly doesn't seemed to have changed the playing field yet, and he goes after unlikely allies. When will Repubs admit he's got serious mental problems AND he's a drain on the process of running the country.
Indeed. It was a clear opportunity for bipartisanship and for the GOP to take credit for the framework of the ACA. Instead, they chose to use it as a political device and now have cornered themselves.
L L wrote:
Obamacare is only considered bad because it was passed by Obama.
If any Republican passed the exact same law, Republicans would have been jizzing themselves about how great it is.
itsbaddude wrote:
Whether ObamaCare is similar to RomneyCare is irrelevant.
Wrong, fool. 0/10
L L wrote:
Obamacare is only considered bad because it was passed by Obama.
If any Republican passed the exact same law, Republicans would have been jizzing themselves about how great it is.
And they would have named it something like GOPcare. And Trumpkins would be madly in love with it.
You can blame the Tea Partiers for that one--McConnell, Ryan, etc.
TroLLminator wrote:
Indeed. It was a clear opportunity for bipartisanship and for the GOP to take credit for the framework of the ACA. Instead, they chose to use it as a political device and now have cornered themselves.
L L wrote:Obamacare is only considered bad because it was passed by Obama.
If any Republican passed the exact same law, Republicans would have been jizzing themselves about how great it is.
RomneyCare wrote:
And they would have named it something like GOPcare. And Trumpkins would be madly in love with it.
There is much truth in this. I think the de facto name "Obamacare" makes it an anathema to almost all Republicans.
Probably they would be wise to amend or improve it and in the process give it a different name so as to make it more palatable to Republicans. They can then claim they defeated Obamacare.
But it is insurance, and insurance is based on the premise of people buying it when they don't need it. That's what insurance is. The mandate for all to buy needs to stay. The requirement of large companies to provide insurance should be a cost of doing business and needs to stay. Taxes on the wealthy to help pay is also needed to stay.
Maybe some reduction in services to those receiving free insurance might be appropriate. Maybe some changes in keeping medical costs down are appropriate. Maybe a single payer system might be cheaper.
Changes to improve, make it cheaper and change the name might be the way to get it done.
I am not opposed to a medicaid reduction, there are abuses in that program. It need to be examined.
Curious g wrote:
eric a blair wrote:as for the result - if the GOP can't kill off obamacare, most likely a whole crop of super right wingers will primary the current repubs. Will be a GOP civil war and not be good for either the GOP or the country.
The republican primary voters are one of the biggest problems in the nation. They are far, far to the right of the nation but they vote. So they skew the repub candidate way more right than would be good.
US candidates should be within the 40 yard lines. But the repubs are edging toward the 25.
So Bernie sanders someone who got the support of 40% of your party is within the 40 yard lines?
Sanders was crushed in the primary and there is no hard left wing rump faction in congress.
He's at around the 32 yard line.
itsbaddude wrote:
Whether ObamaCare is similar to RomneyCare is irrelevant. What matters is does it work or not. It is clear it is not working.
Is it clear? To add some substance to the discussion perhaps you could lay out your criteria for a "working health care plan".
The current law is called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and usually called just the Affordable Care or the ACA.
When surveyed many Obamacare haters say they like the Affordable Care Act.
It was Republicans that nicknamed it Obamacare as a political marketing tool to stir partisan hate.
They rarely point to what they don't like about it but having Obama's name on it causes problems for some.
You never hear this at Republican rallies:
"We want to end health subsidies for low earners that don't have employer provided healthcare!"
"People with pre-existing conditions should not be entitled to insurance at fair prices!"
But 45 Republican senators just voted to do that.
obamacare is working. Not perfect, but it's working. the right wing likes to talk about death spirals and failures but that is just not in the evidence. It needs some tweaks to protect the local exchanges, but the system is working.
itsbaddude wrote:
Whether ObamaCare is similar to RomneyCare is irrelevant. What matters is does it work or not. It is clear it is not working.
Romney opposed Obamacare because he thought that one size does not fit all. 6 million in a central location vs 300 million diverse people spread across a huge and diverse country.
Furthermore, you are implying that the Democrats basically copied the Republicans because they had no idea of what they are doing. If that is true, then you must expect the next great answer to also come from the Republicans.
RomneyCare wrote:As expected. The true Disco reveals he will never blame republicans for inventing the ACA through Romneycare.