Armstronglivs wrote:
hobbyjogger9 wrote:
I thought this was one of the funny ones:
> "Anxiety causes, you know, disease, they say. A lot of people -- you're going to have tremendous."
Compares well to Lincoln at Gettysburg, doesn't it - or vintage Churchill, "we will fight them on the beaches". Homer Simpson has become the leader of the Free World. Actually, that's unfair to Homer.
"Think of it: 151 countries. Somebody said to me today that wasn't in this particular world -- they didn't know that we had that many countries. A hundred and fifty-one countries. That's something."
We will lose this battle if you & trump don’t know how the feds can get masks to hospitals.
The short answer is huge financial resources, the military, a clear mandate, the best advice/intelligence, the manufacturing capability of the whole nation, international partners/allies, etc.
Pelosi can’t do it all by herself.
jesseriley wrote:
We will lose this battle if you & trump don’t know how the feds can get masks to hospitals.
The short answer is huge financial resources, the military, a clear mandate, the best advice/intelligence, the manufacturing capability of the whole nation, international partners/allies, etc.
Pelosi can’t do it all by herself.
Indeed, I’m actually surprised that agip posed that question and we are having to provide reasons why the sitting government is not immune from responsibility during a declared national emergency and global pandemic.
Ciro wrote:
In normal every day to day circumstances I understand your point.
But during a global pandemic, one the administration knew was coming and declared a National Emergency then they have to take ownership.
ok good points and articles. Esp this from Vox:
Indeed, experts and advocates argue that the US generally underfunds disease outbreak preparedness and public health programs more broadly. It’s these concerns that led the Obama administration, after the Ebola outbreak, to attempt to scale up preparedness by establishing a White House office dedicated solely to the issue and producing a 69-page playbook in case of an outbreak. The Trump administration, however, neglected and rolled back these efforts, eventually disbanding the White House office.
We’ve seen the results in the botched rollout of coronavirus testing, but PPE offers another example. America could have shored up its supplies of PPE in its strategic stockpile. It could have ensured that there would be surge capacity to boost production in case of emergency. And it should have been doing this all before the coronavirus pandemic.
Ciro wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
We will lose this battle if you & trump don’t know how the feds can get masks to hospitals.
The short answer is huge financial resources, the military, a clear mandate, the best advice/intelligence, the manufacturing capability of the whole nation, international partners/allies, etc.
Pelosi can’t do it all by herself.
Indeed, I’m actually surprised that agip posed that question and we are having to provide reasons why the sitting government is not immune from responsibility during a declared national emergency and global pandemic.
my caution stems from how many people really don't see the US as 50 united but separate states.
But they should - the fed government is not built to micromanage the states. It can't. This works well often, but is failing now.
It's like during Katrina when people wanted FEMA to be the first responder and blamed that org for not being so...but it's the states that are supposed to be first responders.
None of this is simple. But looking to the fed government instead of your state government to be the first on the case...is always going to be disappointing. It's just not how the US is set up.
That said....the obama admin pointed out clearly that a pandemic is a situation the feds have to step in early on. But the trumpers didn't believe it. And that has been a major problem.
Yes, and the flip side:
Trump has left us with a huge deficit & won’t use gov’t money instead of the private sector; won’t mobilize the armed forces; won’t take responsibility; has fired all the smart people; won’t use emergency powers; and has alienated every ally except putin & boris (who have their own bigger problems lol).
Smorbun wrote:
PresidentTrump wrote:
He’ll leave office after his two terms are done. That is two democratically terms.
You left out the response of banning Chinese’s flights very early in the game.
Oh, another dumba$$ Trumper.
Trump never banned flights from China.
Even one of the biggest Trump supporter newspapers says so:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/trump-never-actually-banned-flights-from-china-or-/You are just an idiot. Do any of you Trumpers actually know anything? I have not seen any evidence that you do. You are dumb like Sally and not cut out for the discussion here.
From the article:
the administration restricted travel for “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.”
Foreign nationals were effectively banned. Had it been applied to U.S. citizens abroad at the time, the lefties would be screaming "Dictator".
Approval on corona virus response is 60%. If trump cured cancer and world hunger he might get to 65%.
The cost of allowing people to move between filthy third world countries like China to first world countries like Canada and the US is very high but we knew that after SARS.
See, Katrina is a perfect example. They rolled in after 2000 died with the same equipment they had all along. They just wasted a week politicizing it.
Take your points agip.
agip wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Voices on the front line.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52094331Using masks for five shifts in a row. The administration failed our first responders.
Serious question - in the US federal system of government, how is the fault of the White House if hospitals are understocked in equipment?
Hospitals have been trying to procure essential equipment and supplies on a preventive basis since this virus broke out in China. Both the CDC and white house were made aware of the shortages and urgency early on. Where does the buck stop? I think it stops with those who have the power to bring relief to the issue. State governments have been sounding the alarm and trying to prepare for this. The WH took a back seat and downplayed the crisis. Am I wrong?
Hey agip, what do you think of this? Fredo's brother approved this:
https://www.wivb.com/news/level-3-sex-offenders-among-inmates-released-from-monroe-county-jail/
jesseriley wrote:
Yes, and the flip side:
Trump has left us with a huge deficit & won’t use gov’t money instead of the private sector; won’t mobilize the armed forces; won’t take responsibility; has fired all the smart people; won’t use emergency powers; and has alienated every ally except putin & boris (who have their own bigger problems lol).
The government is bailing out large corporations only 5 weeks after their stock prices reached all-time highs. Many of these enterprises have chosen to spend their earnings to boost their stock prices with buybacks since 2009, to the tune of >$5B... they chose not to build reserves. We have Boeing who opted for lower quality which caused deaths and put lives and their business at risk, yet blew their money on buybacks. I get the potential loss of jobs and economic output, but why reward this kind of failure? Again the population pays the price for corruption and strict protection of the ultra wealthy.
agip wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Indeed, I’m actually surprised that agip posed that question and we are having to provide reasons why the sitting government is not immune from responsibility during a declared national emergency and global pandemic.
my caution stems from how many people really don't see the US as 50 united but separate states.
But they should - the fed government is not built to micromanage the states. It can't. This works well often, but is failing now.
It's like during Katrina when people wanted FEMA to be the first responder and blamed that org for not being so...but it's the states that are supposed to be first responders.
None of this is simple. But looking to the fed government instead of your state government to be the first on the case...is always going to be disappointing. It's just not how the US is set up.
That said....the obama admin pointed out clearly that a pandemic is a situation the feds have to step in early on. But the trumpers didn't believe it. And that has been a major problem.
If it is a national crisis - and this has been called a "war" - then the Federal government must be ultimately responsible.
jesseriley wrote:
We will lose this battle if you & trump don’t know how the feds can get masks to hospitals.
The short answer is huge financial resources, the military, a clear mandate, the best advice/intelligence, the manufacturing capability of the whole nation, international partners/allies, etc.
Pelosi can’t do it all by herself.
What they did years ago for WWII was incredible. They did MUCH more than make a certain number of masks that are needed today. If this country can't come together and make millions of masks in a matter of weeks then we have failed. This should be a no-brainer. How many masks are needed? 150 milllion? Then make the effing 150 million. This should have been done weeks ago.
moderates suck wrote:
So much for America First. He is even willing to rely on French conmen as well. I wonder which Letsrun.com poster he is:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/didier-raoult-hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil.html
If Hydroxychloroquine DIDN”T work, you’d be hearing about it 24/7 from both the Trump bashing media & the LR lib echo chamber.
I’ll take the lack of reporting on it in the USA as a good sign.
KAG2020
jesseriley wrote:
Trump attempts to prevent other nations from receiving Cuban doctors to assist with virus.
Everything you post, Jesse, is a slam on Trump. Just EVERYTHING you post. You have no objectivity. It is sad. You post 1000 posts a day and everyone one of them is critical of Trump. You know when you post 1000 posts critical of someone and none of the opposite side, it is a very clear sign you are a partisan hack and have no objectivity. Which is it Jesse? You are a partisan hack or you have no objectivity - or, alas, both??!
My work here is more important every day. Also easier & more fun.
Running totals in US:
2020 Coronavirus:
93,000 cases in the US
About 2100 deaths
2018 flu:
80,000 deaths
2009 Swine flu:
60 million cases
So so far we have about 2100 deaths of this "pandemic" when we had 80,000 deaths from the flu. That is 40 times more. And in 2009 we had 60 MILLION (not a typo) of the swine flu versus a few thousand of this so-called pandemic. A crock.
jesseriley wrote:
See, Katrina is a perfect example. They rolled in after 2000 died with the same equipment they had all along. They just wasted a week politicizing it.
And Donna Brazille lauded Bush with exuberant praise. But he was vilified by the Libs and praised by one of the biggest Libs around, Donna Brazaile.