Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Monkeys typing wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

What is it when the government passes a law that basically says "Health care insurance is whatever the President says it is and it can change at any moment, and the President can fine anyone who won't play his/her/zhes game." Because that's exactly what ObamaCare is.

Strawman. If it were true that, "Health care insurance is whatever the President says it is and it can change at any moment, and the President can fine anyone who won't play his/her/zhes game", then Trump would simply change it.

Damn right he can! And he threatened to do just that and force Democrats and Republicans to come up with a bill he could sign by allowing it to crash and deliver a yuge amount pain to Americans.

Did you know that Congress exempted themselves from ObamaCare?

If I were Trump I would force Congress to get on ObamaCare. Then i would cancel all subsidies (socialism? what is that eric when government pays for someone's health care insurance?) and enforce the hell out of it so that everyone could see what this thing was really built to do, cause pain. That would get them to work very quickly on something new.

He said he'd rather not do that though. You know, something about not hurting America and all that.

Think Before You Drink wrote:

RomneyCare wrote:

Obamacare is properly called Romneycare which was invented by Republicans. So, which term of yours do YOU think Romneycare should be called?

You probably think that was kind of a gotcha for Disco. But Disco has already made it clear (and even just said) that he despises the GOP. So, not really.

Think first.

Thinking is not one of your skills.

I could care less whether Disco loves or hates the GOP. What I stated is entirely correct. I pointed out to Disco that he needs to lay blame on Romneycare for creating what he wants to refer to to socialism, fascism, blah, blah. He can lay his hate on Republicans for coming up with the concept of ACA. Will he do that? You seem to believe he will. But ... crickets ... crickets ... is what you'll hear waiting for Disco to attack Republicans and Romneycare.

Next time don't make such a fool of yourself.

RomneyCare wrote:

Think Before You Drink wrote:

You probably think that was kind of a gotcha for Disco. But Disco has already made it clear (and even just said) that he despises the GOP. So, not really.

Think first.

Thinking is not one of your skills.

I could care less whether Disco loves or hates the GOP. What I stated is entirely correct. I pointed out to Disco that he needs to lay blame on Romneycare for creating what he wants to refer to to socialism, fascism, blah, blah. He can lay his hate on Republicans for coming up with the concept of ACA. Will he do that? You seem to believe he will. But ... crickets ... crickets ... is what you'll hear waiting for Disco to attack Republicans and Romneycare.

Next time don't make such a fool of yourself.

Nonsense. Democrats wrote ObamaCare, and not one single Republican voted for it. Democrats own the whole thing.

If a Republican got drunk and drove off a bridge killing the woman in the car with him, he couldn't get away with saying "But Ted Kennedy invented this method of killing women, so Democrats are really to blame for this!" Your logic is messed up.

Lowest character POTUS of all time

I have mixed feelings about what this means. It certainly shows that when Obama was the adult in the room they would vote for anything without any sense of responsibility because they knew Obama would veto irresponsible votes. But it does show that some Republicans have some sense of responsibility and won't just vote for a bill to avoid being called failures and also to avoid incurring the wrath of Kan. (At least a small number of them)

L L wrote:

So they voted on a straight repeal of Obamacare and it didn't pass, even with a Republican majority. (7 Republicans and all 48 Democrats voted against the repeal)

All of these years of complaining about it.

They passed the same bill a couple years ago that Obama vetoed, but now that they have a Republican president, they don't really want to pass it, because Trump will sign it.

So what do the Republicans stand for?

This is a massive failure for their party. The party of no.

They can't come up with a better plan and they won't repeal the one they campaigned so much against.

I think they realize that Obamacare is good and they can't top it.

They cannot govern.

And Trump can't lead.

So much losing. But I'm not tired of it.

DiscoGary wrote:

Nonsense. Democrats wrote ObamaCare, and not one single Republican voted for it. Democrats own the whole thing.

Actually not true. A lot of Republicans added language to the Obamacare bill through the amendment process. They didn't vote on final passage but Republicans definitely contributed to the final bill.

You have to laugh. Benghazi included 22 hearing at a cost of 7 million dollars and at the last hearing Hillary was grilled for 11 hours, yes 11 hours.

So what does one of the top Republican committe members say about Kushners having to testify?

“To say that after three-plus hours of asking questions of which some started getting repeated, then you’re just sort of getting into — OK this guys’ been here long enough,” Rooney said, adding, “I don’t like wasting time.”

Poor Kushner! Amazing the difference in treatment and perception.

foo wrote:

Hopefully this conservative revolution will result in a 3rd major party. Neither of the two parties seem to get anything done these days. Having a party that is comprised of moderates would eliminate the us versus them mentality that pervades Washington.

I'm sorry, I'm all for finding common ground and having reasonable policy discussions, but this is fantasyland nonsense. There is already a party that has a substantial block of moderates. It's called the Democratic Party. As DiscoGary just proclaimed, anyone who displays even a modicum of political moderation is now a big government Democrat, including the Republican nominee for President eight years ago. The healthcare program the Republicans just failed to repeal was an absolutely moderate piece of legislation. Liberals wanted single payer. There was over a year's worth of hearings and debates on it, tens of substantive Republican amendments were included in the final bill, and they ultimately told Democrats to go pound sand anyway.

It is remarkable to see the number of conservative-leaning David Brooks-like moderates who recognize that Trump and the majority of the Republican party are certifiably deranged, but would rather imagine feckless third parties and keep their free market bonafides unsullied than join the side that can actually put end to the madness. Yes, the Democratic Party is far, far from perfect, but if you can look at Trump's actions or the Republicans' absolutely reckless and mean-spirited approach to healthcare, and decide that "both sides" are equally bad, then you're part of the problem.

DiscoGary wrote:

Nonsense. ...

As expected. The true Disco reveals he will never blame republicans for inventing the ACA through Romneycare.

I have to admit something, I was wrong about Trump. Before the election I thought he would be a bad president. But I was so far off in my projections because he honestly is so much worse than I imagined.

Everything about him, character, judgement, level of respect for the constitution, leadership is much poorer than I could have imagined.

The only thing he has done, which I am happy about, is that he has shown some restrain about not sending more troops into Afghanistan.

He is a terrible person and a terrible president.

dekieaal wrote:

How long did it take for ObamaCare to pass. How long has it been for Trump? And it's a "failure" ? Oh,okay. Thanks for the blatant partisanship.

Passing Obamacare was difficult. It had to be cobbled together and debated and updated over time and then passed.

Repealing it is easy.

It's binary. There's nothing to craft. You simply repeal it.

They voted to do it when Obama was president.

Now Trump has publicly implored the Republicans to do a full repeal.

It came to a vote. It failed. Trump failed.

What would they need any more time for to do the full repeal they wanted in the first place?

Conundrum wrote:

The only thing he has done, which I am happy about, is that he has shown some restrain about not sending more troops into Afghanistan.

I'm not terribly optimistic that he won't change his mind on that front...

Conundrum wrote:

I have to admit something, I was wrong about Trump. Before the election I thought he would be a bad president. But I was so far off in my projections because he honestly is so much worse than I imagined.

Everything about him, character, judgement, level of respect for the constitution, leadership is much poorer than I could have imagined.

The only thing he has done, which I am happy about, is that he has shown some restrain about not sending more troops into Afghanistan.

He is a terrible person and a terrible president.

I have to admit that I was right about Trump. He is truly as horrible as I imagined he would be.

There are 2 saving graces so far:

1) He hasn't been able to implement any of his idiotic ideas.

2) No major disaster or crisis has hit our country during his reign. He has proven he is not a leader and would completely crumble during an emergency.

Conundrum wrote:

You have to laugh. Benghazi included 22 hearing at a cost of 7 million dollars and at the last hearing Hillary was grilled for 11 hours, yes 11 hours.

So what does one of the top Republican committe members say about Kushners having to testify?

“To say that after three-plus hours of asking questions of which some started getting repeated, then you’re just sort of getting into — OK this guys’ been here long enough,” Rooney said, adding, “I don’t like wasting time.”

Poor Kushner! Amazing the difference in treatment and perception.

Tell us how many people lost their lives because Jared met the Russian lawyer.

That was eight years ago and the times have changed. There is now room to tweak ObamaCare and improve it. Perhaps the Democrats do have more moderates, but they are just as beholden to the far left as the moderate Republicans are to the far right. Especially, since the Dems are a minority in Congress.

Perhaps having a 3rd legitimate party is a fantasy, but I think it certainly would remove a lot of power away from the extremes and to the middle where it should be located.

DiscoGary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

now you're trolling me so I won't reply with meaning.

Well then. You tell me what ObamaCare is.

Socialism?

Fascism?

Authoritarianism?

Dictatorship?

Command and control?

What else?

What is it when the government passes a law that basically says "Health care insurance is whatever the President says it is and it can change at any moment, and the President can fine anyone who won't play his/her/zhes game." Because that's exactly what ObamaCare is.

Let's define Obamacare. It is the government requiring everyone to have health insurance. If you are poor or over 65, you generally use medicaid or medicare. If you get insurance through work, that's fine too. Otherwise you have to buy PRIVATE health insurance, subsidized (for most) by the gov't. If you don't get health insurance, then you pay a tax/fee.

It is clearly NOT a gov't takeover of healthcare. Doctors are private, insurance is private, hospitals are a weird hybrid, pharma is private, etc.

Socialistic health care would be if the government employed the docs and hospitals and everyone had to pay a tax to use them. We don't have that.

I'd call ACA something like a nanny state policy. In which the gov't feels it has a responsibility to help citizens have health insurance and that rich people must subsidize it. But it uses private insurance companies and relies on competition to drive insurance prices down.

It's not any sort of the absolutist labels you try to give it.

I think I would like to have a third party to house the right wing...but it would just become a white nationalist party. I really don't think grouping those people and giving them a legit identity is a good idea.

Mixing them into the GOP with its big tentish multitudes keeps the white power people from coalescing.

22 hearings, 7 million dollars the last an 11 hour grilling?That sounds reasonable to you?3 hour interview out of view of the public about Russian illegal behavior threatening our democracyNot at all partisan right?

Make America Great Again wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

You have to laugh. Benghazi included 22 hearing at a cost of 7 million dollars and at the last hearing Hillary was grilled for 11 hours, yes 11 hours.

So what does one of the top Republican committe members say about Kushners having to testify?

“To say that after three-plus hours of asking questions of which some started getting repeated, then you’re just sort of getting into — OK this guys’ been here long enough,” Rooney said, adding, “I don’t like wasting time.”

Poor Kushner! Amazing the difference in treatment and perception.

Tell us how many people lost their lives because Jared met the Russian lawyer.

RomneyCare wrote:

Think Before You Drink wrote:

You probably think that was kind of a gotcha for Disco. But Disco has already made it clear (and even just said) that he despises the GOP. So, not really.

Think first.

Thinking is not one of your skills.

I could care less whether Disco loves or hates the GOP. What I stated is entirely correct. I pointed out to Disco that he needs to lay blame on Romneycare for creating what he wants to refer to to socialism, fascism, blah, blah. He can lay his hate on Republicans for coming up with the concept of ACA. Will he do that? You seem to believe he will. But ... crickets ... crickets ... is what you'll hear waiting for Disco to attack Republicans and Romneycare.

Next time don't make such a fool of yourself.

Wow, you are so completely wrong on so many counts that I think you just set some sort of record. I don't have time for all of them but perhaps just a small sampling:

1) Saying you "could care less" indicates that you care, not that you do not care. Seriously, that was not a good start, especially coming immediately after "thinking is not one of your skills". Seriously dude, if you are going to try to pin "stupidity" on someone it is best to avoid immediately saying something stupid.

2) You pointed out to Disco that he needs to lay the blame . . . Have you not been paying attention? Facts don't exist in the Disco Kid's world. And accepting responsibility for anything (ANYTHING AT ALL) ?!? Maybe I should give you a pass on this. Are you a newbie by any chance?

3) I "seem to believe that he will"? Dude, you are communicating with someone who sees the Disco Kid for what he is (which is pretty much what his hero, Trump, is) - a pathological liar, a narcissist of epic proportions, a psycho with serious god delusions, and basically a steaming pile of human excrement. So, I "seem to believe that he will"? Uh, no. Just no.

Please think before posting. I tried to help you out the first time.

Think, man! Think!