DISGRACED Iowa State Runner Transfers to D3 School

legal eagle wrote:

nah right wrote:

OK, great. He's not on EPO now, or at least, he's not testing positive.

Why did he leave ISU? What's the explanation for the sudden breakthrough in results, followed by a suspension and a transfer? Why did he transfer to a D3 school? What did Rowan know about why he left at the time they accepted the transfer, and what do they know now?

The simplest answer to all of these questions is that it's a private matter.

Inquiring minds would like to know many things, but thankfully the USA has (or at least used to have strong privacy laws).

If someone wants the police to take action on this, they will have to step up and present charges, admissable evidence, and witnesses to build a case.

Currently no charges, most likely inadmissable evidence, and no positive drug test.

Nothing is currently happening here.

The most recent similar case prosecuted on LetsRun was Addie Wiley, but that's old news, she continues to run, and meanwhile, it's forgotten.

It's not yet Clevenger's job to defend himself. There are no charges and no case.

legal eagle wrote:

nah right wrote:

OK, great. He's not on EPO now, or at least, he's not testing positive.

Why did he leave ISU? What's the explanation for the sudden breakthrough in results, followed by a suspension and a transfer? Why did he transfer to a D3 school? What did Rowan know about why he left at the time they accepted the transfer, and what do they know now?

The simplest answer to all of these questions is that it's a private matter.

Inquiring minds would like to know many things, but thankfully the USA has (or at least used to have strong privacy laws).

If someone wants the police to take action on this, they will have to step up and present charges, admissable evidence, and witnesses to build a case.

Currently no charges, most likely inadmissable evidence, and no positive drug test.

Nothing is currently happening here.

The most recent similar case prosecuted on LetsRun was Addie Wiley, but that's old news, she continues to run, and meanwhile, it's forgotten.

It's not yet Clevenger's job to defend himself. There are no charges and no case.

rojo wrote:

foodforthought wrote:

Rowan has a legitimate shot at the national title from the 30+ points he could potentially help score at nationals...not to mention the depth of their other event groups. Do you think they are worried about being controversial?

Having worked in college athletics for 10 years, absolutely, I think all colleges are worried about perception

I applaud the D3 runners for starting the petition as it accomplished a lot. The lawyer replied with a very specific statement - that Seth was “cleared of any wrongdoing at Iowa State.” That should be easy to verify. All we need to do is get Mr. Clevenger to agree to a limited FERPA release in regards to that.

D3 fans and clean sport advocates , I'm mainly writing just to let you know this story is one we are taking very seriously at LetsRun and devoting a ton of resources to. It takes a lot of time to talk to the relevant parties at the NCAA, USADA, Iowa State and Rowan University. We plan on publishing a story on Tuesday/Wednesday of next week. That's all I feel comfortable reporting right now.

gamecrap wrote:

legal eagle wrote:

The simplest answer to all of these questions is that it's a private matter.

Inquiring minds would like to know many things, but thankfully the USA has (or at least used to have strong privacy laws).

If someone wants the police to take action on this, they will have to step up and present charges, admissable evidence, and witnesses to build a case.

Currently no charges, most likely inadmissable evidence, and no positive drug test.

Nothing is currently happening here.

The most recent similar case prosecuted on LetsRun was Addie Wiley, but that's old news, she continues to run, and meanwhile, it's forgotten.

It's not yet Clevenger's job to defend himself. There are no charges and no case.

That is such an obtuse and facile way of looking at this.

The bottom line is that he wants it both ways: he wants to cry that he's being treated unfairly and cite privacy, while also refusing to sign the one document that would instantly clear things up if that document says what he has represented that it says.

The fact that he hasn't signed it, to anyone with a brain, indicates that he's not being fully forthcoming regarding the circumstances of why he left ISU.

gamecrap wrote:

Now we're months into this, and Rowan doesn't really have any place to go. They can't really suspend SC because he hasn't tested positive and he hasn't broken any rules, and they can't get the whole story behind his ISU departure because SC refuses to sign any disclosure forms. They know it looks bad and it's never a good thing when the NCAA and media outlets are asking this many questions, but without knowing more about the specific participation guidelines, it's hard to say that they can just boot SC off the team without more of a smoking gun, and even then I don't know if they want to throw their coaching staff under the bus like that.

It's sort of funny in retrospect that SC had his family members threaten people with defamation lawsuits as his first line of defense, as if literally everyone involved in this saga wouldn't salivate over the opportunity to do discovery on what actually happened here.

rojo wrote:

gamecrap wrote:

Now we're months into this, and Rowan doesn't really have any place to go. They can't really suspend SC because he hasn't tested positive and he hasn't broken any rules, and they can't get the whole story behind his ISU departure because SC refuses to sign any disclosure forms. They know it looks bad and it's never a good thing when the NCAA and media outlets are asking this many questions, but without knowing more about the specific participation guidelines, it's hard to say that they can just boot SC off the team without more of a smoking gun, and even then I don't know if they want to throw their coaching staff under the bus like that.

It's sort of funny in retrospect that SC had his family members threaten people with defamation lawsuits as his first line of defense, as if literally everyone involved in this saga wouldn't salivate over the opportunity to do discovery on what actually happened here.

How do you know for a fact he refused to sign disclosure forms? Unless something has changed in the last 4 hours, he most certainly hasn't signed the one Jonathan Gault presented him. But did Rowan also present him one?

That to me would have been an easy and correct thing for Rowan to do. Maybe they did. I highly doubt it, but we have no idea as basically Rowan and Iowa State are keeping their mouths shut and not saying anything of substance.

But if I was coaching a program and a kid wanted to transfer to my school under these circumstances, there is a zero percent chance I'd let him run for me unless I 100% talked to the previous coach and got the full story - or at least that coach's full version of it. If they wouldn't tell it to me for privacy reasons, then I'd pass.

nah right wrote:

rojo wrote:

How do you know for a fact he refused to sign disclosure forms? Unless something has changed in the last 4 hours, he most certainly hasn't signed the one Jonathan Gault presented him. But did Rowan also present him one?

That to me would have been an easy and correct thing for Rowan to do. Maybe they did. I highly doubt it, but we have no idea as basically Rowan and Iowa State are keeping their mouths shut and not saying anything of substance.

But if I was coaching a program and a kid wanted to transfer to my school under these circumstances, there is a zero percent chance I'd let him run for me unless I 100% talked to the previous coach and got the full story - or at least that coach's full version of it. If they wouldn't tell it to me for privacy reasons, then I'd pass.

This doesn't give me much hope that this article is going to do much. I'm obviously glad you're shining a light on it, but this basically confirms that both ISU and Rowan are going to basically plead the 5th.

Rowan stinks to high heaven at every step of this. Seth finishes 21st and he's paying his way to run at a D3 commuter school? Slavinski runs 1:47 for Clemson last year and that's where he wants to go, to run the NJAC against Rutgers-Newark? Meanwhile they've got a true freshman high-jumping 7'2" and another one long-jumping 25'. You can never, ever convince me that all of these kids are at Rowan purely for academic reasons. Never.