Whilst I like RTJ I'm generally amazed at the amount of loyalty these YouTubers build up to the point opinions counter to the narrative are shot down. David Koresh would be proud.
I dunno, I feel like RTJ is in it for the right reasons. I think he might have gone all in though a bit on this and just isn't getting the balance right. But he's no a complete fraud like some of these guys and I generally find him one of the good ones.
I'm guessing his target demographic isn't the letsrun crowd, but random innocent civilians ... and he doesn't want to lose face by taking something down.
Sure, they can read the comments on youtube, but those are from haters and fanboys .. Not from a Doctor that used to be an elite athletes!
He's made a business decision?
Not really anything to do with the content, the whole thing and set up is just like wtf am I watching. Genuinely could be a satire attack on the whole YouTube world if I didn't know any better. It truly drives you to mad behaviour like this.
Does give off Monty Python vibes .. Kinda reminds me of the "I'm looking for an argument" sketch
RTJ still suggests Nomio effectively bumps your LT1/LT2 speed up a significant amount, consistent with other findings.
There’s an interesting comment to the YouTube video challenging the validity of the test due to the Nomio test being conducted 3 hours after the initial LT test. For anyone that knows more than I do, would they share their mind and give their opinion on whether there is truth in this? (comment quoted below)
“Hey Jake, obviously you may or may not catch this, but for others that are curious - the lab tests presented by nomio are very disingenuous. If you do the same session 3 hours later, blood lactate readings in the second session are always lower. This is not an indicator that the product is doing something productive. The first run increases muscle temperature, blood flow, and speeds how quickly your aerobic system ramps up the second time. With faster aerobic contribution at the same pace, you rely a bit less on anaerobic glycolysis, so less lactate is produced for that workload. After the first session, your muscles and heart also become temporarily better at shuttling and oxidising lactate (using it as fuel) and distributing it to other tissues that clear it. So for the same pace, blood lactate sits lower because clearance keeps up more easily. 3 hours is a window where this is at its highest. Which again, the skeptic in me says thats why they chose 3 hours. The only reason the levels would ever not be lower, is if you started the second session in a highly fatigued, poorly fuelled, dehydrated state. To say you are a ‘super responder’ to nomio based on this is absolutely f*cking wild, respectfully. Secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that lowering lactate during training or even during a race is actually beneficial for physiological adaptation. Sorry for the negative comment - but I know that you only work with brands who you feel are genuinely beneficial. I have a PhD in this field of science and I personal feel that I have an obligation to let you and your audience know before they spend their hard earned money on something like this. Just because they are Scandinavian and have a lactate lab doesn’t mean they are good scientists - they are marketers selling a product.”
To be fair pretty sure Jake doesnt give a s*** about the "smart" lab tests and is just there for the brand partnership and $$$
Floberg calling his 5k on a treadmill a PR is insane behavior
Just beyond obnoxious. He says he's entering a speed block. Maybe he's listening to the thread. Of course he could have started this two months ago and been in top 10k fitness by now, ready to build for a spring marathon. But he had to renovate his condo and run double marathons and such.
He is "stoked" by his new PR apparently. A 16:07. On a treadmill.
What's that? 2:35 equivalent? All he needs to do is find another 10 seconds per KM and he's "back" at 2:28 shape.
The dude has never been anywhere near 2:30 shape and when he fails (for every reason apart from fitness obviously) he seems to hibernate until 12/14 weeks before a marathon and think he can suddenly turn it on like Kipchoge.
It's sad the man has a following because he hasn't a clue what he's doing.
Sagasu Running apparently counts all shoes he has tried on in a store. In his videos he postures as if he truly knows how different shoes feel, yet most of his opinions seem to be based on things he has heard from others or on a quick fitting-room test. Nike appears to be the only brand that actually sends him shoes or at least he keeps hinting at some kind of collaboration. No wonder Nike models receive such glowing praise. He has been talking about training for a half marathon for almost two years now, so it will come as no surprise when there is yet another excuse for not running a 1:20 half. If he even makes it to the starting line, my bet is that his finish time will be much closer to two hours.
He says in the comments he was shooting for a 1:30 but at least acknowledges that was unrealistic. I guess I'm not sure why his Strava shows 1:48 elapsed but his chip time was 1:56, but at least he provides his chip time. Anyways, I'm not even sure this guy could do a 5K at 1:30 half marathon pace.
Will be interesting to see what she makes of this video series on her marathon debut. First one was a bit boring, but the workout with Eyestone's group was at least a bit interesting. Anyway, much prefer seeing the actual runs instead of her just reading off her Strava which seems to be what most runfluencers do now. Does anyone actually want to watch a video of someone reading stats off their phone?!?
Mica Wood fades late but still comes through with a strong debut at the Marathon Project in 2:31:xx. 5th place and takes home $1,000 for her efforts. Not bad.
There’s an interesting comment to the YouTube video challenging the validity of the test due to the Nomio test being conducted 3 hours after the initial LT test. For anyone that knows more than I do, would they share their mind and give their opinion on whether there is truth in this? (comment quoted below)
“Hey Jake, obviously you may or may not catch this, but for others that are curious - the lab tests presented by nomio are very disingenuous. If you do the same session 3 hours later, blood lactate readings in the second session are always lower. This is not an indicator that the product is doing something productive. The first run increases muscle temperature, blood flow, and speeds how quickly your aerobic system ramps up the second time. With faster aerobic contribution at the same pace, you rely a bit less on anaerobic glycolysis, so less lactate is produced for that workload. After the first session, your muscles and heart also become temporarily better at shuttling and oxidising lactate (using it as fuel) and distributing it to other tissues that clear it. So for the same pace, blood lactate sits lower because clearance keeps up more easily. 3 hours is a window where this is at its highest. Which again, the skeptic in me says thats why they chose 3 hours. The only reason the levels would ever not be lower, is if you started the second session in a highly fatigued, poorly fuelled, dehydrated state. To say you are a ‘super responder’ to nomio based on this is absolutely f*cking wild, respectfully. Secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that lowering lactate during training or even during a race is actually beneficial for physiological adaptation. Sorry for the negative comment - but I know that you only work with brands who you feel are genuinely beneficial. I have a PhD in this field of science and I personal feel that I have an obligation to let you and your audience know before they spend their hard earned money on something like this. Just because they are Scandinavian and have a lactate lab doesn’t mean they are good scientists - they are marketers selling a product.”
My heart rate is (relatively) lower 5-6 hours after my first session. I.e. I run sub-t in the morning and t-ish in the afternoon. Roughly 5:15 and 4:55-5:00. I’ll be at 165 in the morning and my reps will be at roughly 170-173 heart rate, at least for the first (cumulative) 20 minutes. I know for a fact it’d have been upper 170s if I did the threshold in the morning. So maybe lactate is lower as well?
New RTJ video has dropped, I like the guy but he's looking for every excuse under the sun why he bonked so hard in Valencia - travel, illness, celiac disease (spoiler alert - he did a test and it came out negative), haemoglobin levels. Maybe you just went out too quick?
He had to be pulled off the course, then does several runs over the coming days including the next morning after the marathon, and then wonders why he's getting ill. The train harder gimmick is getting a bit old now.
He obviously went out too quick for what he was capable of doing that day, but I really think he just had a bad day. He didn't go out too quick for what his extensive training and racing indicated he was capable of on a day where he was on. It happens in the marathon. Maybe it's just as simple as that.
no one ends up passing out at 30km from going out to hard.
as its the second time this year something similar has happened he clearly has an under-lying medical condition which needs further examination. a smart/caring person would strongly advise him to have at least 2 weeks total rest before starting jogging again - i see he no-showed for the Telford 10km and Battersea 5 miler which were good decisions.
his suicidal mileage has probably already broke him beyond the point of a sound return and id be more concerned about getting himself healthy than jumping back into stupid mileage and planning imminent race, but that wouldnt create content...
There’s an interesting comment to the YouTube video challenging the validity of the test due to the Nomio test being conducted 3 hours after the initial LT test. For anyone that knows more than I do, would they share their mind and give their opinion on whether there is truth in this? (comment quoted below)
“Hey Jake, obviously you may or may not catch this, but for others that are curious - the lab tests presented by nomio are very disingenuous. If you do the same session 3 hours later, blood lactate readings in the second session are always lower. This is not an indicator that the product is doing something productive. The first run increases muscle temperature, blood flow, and speeds how quickly your aerobic system ramps up the second time. With faster aerobic contribution at the same pace, you rely a bit less on anaerobic glycolysis, so less lactate is produced for that workload. After the first session, your muscles and heart also become temporarily better at shuttling and oxidising lactate (using it as fuel) and distributing it to other tissues that clear it. So for the same pace, blood lactate sits lower because clearance keeps up more easily. 3 hours is a window where this is at its highest. Which again, the skeptic in me says thats why they chose 3 hours. The only reason the levels would ever not be lower, is if you started the second session in a highly fatigued, poorly fuelled, dehydrated state. To say you are a ‘super responder’ to nomio based on this is absolutely f*cking wild, respectfully. Secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that lowering lactate during training or even during a race is actually beneficial for physiological adaptation. Sorry for the negative comment - but I know that you only work with brands who you feel are genuinely beneficial. I have a PhD in this field of science and I personal feel that I have an obligation to let you and your audience know before they spend their hard earned money on something like this. Just because they are Scandinavian and have a lactate lab doesn’t mean they are good scientists - they are marketers selling a product.”
My heart rate is (relatively) lower 5-6 hours after my first session. I.e. I run sub-t in the morning and t-ish in the afternoon. Roughly 5:15 and 4:55-5:00. I’ll be at 165 in the morning and my reps will be at roughly 170-173 heart rate, at least for the first (cumulative) 20 minutes. I know for a fact it’d have been upper 170s if I did the threshold in the morning. So maybe lactate is lower as well?
you know to post this rubbish on faceboast if u wanna boast about fake thresh-hold splits and wrist taken heart rate readings
He obviously went out too quick for what he was capable of doing that day, but I really think he just had a bad day. He didn't go out too quick for what his extensive training and racing indicated he was capable of on a day where he was on. It happens in the marathon. Maybe it's just as simple as that.
no one ends up passing out at 30km from going out to hard.
as its the second time this year something similar has happened he clearly has an under-lying medical condition which needs further examination. a smart/caring person would strongly advise him to have at least 2 weeks total rest before starting jogging again - i see he no-showed for the Telford 10km and Battersea 5 miler which were good decisions.
his suicidal mileage has probably already broke him beyond the point of a sound return and id be more concerned about getting himself healthy than jumping back into stupid mileage and planning imminent race, but that wouldnt create content...
This is the dilemma of the "pro" YouTuber. It is very difficult to train optimally while also creating content.
Jake needs a talking to by a coach or someone he respects and told to dial it back. The high mileage isn't working. He thinks he can handle it but it's obvious he can't.
Sagasu Running’s actual goal was 1:30, but a little over a year ago he made a Training Talk video in which he started dreaming about a 1:20 half marathon goal. Fortunately, he hasn’t talked about that anymore. When you look at his weekly mileage, pace, and training in general, he should be aiming to increase his mileage and maybe target 1:45 instead. All the track workouts and similar sessions could easily be scaled back, focusing more on building a solid base.
New RTJ video has dropped, I like the guy but he's looking for every excuse under the sun why he bonked so hard in Valencia - travel, illness, celiac disease (spoiler alert - he did a test and it came out negative), haemoglobin levels. Maybe you just went out too quick?
He had to be pulled off the course, then does several runs over the coming days including the next morning after the marathon, and then wonders why he's getting ill. The train harder gimmick is getting a bit old now.
The dude makes a massive thing of running 250+ km a week and doing hard workouts and he's wondering why he blew up?
He obviously went out too quick for what he was capable of doing that day, but I really think he just had a bad day. He didn't go out too quick for what his extensive training and racing indicated he was capable of on a day where he was on. It happens in the marathon. Maybe it's just as simple as that.
no one ends up passing out at 30km from going out to hard.
as its the second time this year something similar has happened he clearly has an under-lying medical condition which needs further examination. a smart/caring person would strongly advise him to have at least 2 weeks total rest before starting jogging again - i see he no-showed for the Telford 10km and Battersea 5 miler which were good decisions.
his suicidal mileage has probably already broke him beyond the point of a sound return and id be more concerned about getting himself healthy than jumping back into stupid mileage and planning imminent race, but that wouldnt create content...
Yeah, there's a pretty wide gulf between being a bit slow on a bad day and staggering around semi-conscious after an hour at what is, by all indications, a fairly conservative marathon pace. RTJ is also no stranger to a positive split, but
He may well have been sick, but i'm not sure how many successive A races have to be tanked by some mildly terrifying freak illness before I start feeling like there should be a 'come to Jesus' moment in there somewhere.
Yeah, there's a pretty wide gulf between being a bit slow on a bad day and staggering around semi-conscious after an hour at what is, by all indications, a fairly conservative marathon pace. RTJ is also no stranger to a positive split, but
He may well have been sick, but i'm not sure how many successive A races have to be tanked by some mildly terrifying freak illness before I start feeling like there should be a 'come to Jesus' moment in there somewhere.
*but this reads very differently. Fresh outta thoughts today
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