This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Not one antivaxxer has argued with the analysis of COVID deaths in children.
They know COVID kills kids. They just don’t care.
I've been posting and updating this chart for a couple years showing the percent of all deaths attributed to covid as a function of time, so the analysis you reference shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.
Not one antivaxxer has argued with the analysis of COVID deaths in children.
They know COVID kills kids. They just don’t care.
Not one vax mob mafioso has acknowledged the statement by CDC Deputy Director Tom Shimabukuro.
They know the "vaccine" kills and injures people. They just don't care.
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A top official at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted in a presentation Thursday that the CDC is aware of some individuals suffering “debilitating illnesses” following receipt of the mRNA shots sometimes described as COVID-19 vaccinations.
“We are aware of these reports of people experiencing long-lasting health problems following COVID vaccination,” CDC Deputy Director Tom Shimabukuro said during a live meeting with various federal health officials.
Federal health officials have previously downplayed the potential adverse reactions people may have to COVID-19 vaccinations as part of the effort to get as many people as possible to take the shots.
🚨 JUST IN: As Today's VRBPAC Meeting Ended, CDC Dep. Dir. Tom Shimabukuro Admits COVID Vaccines Are Causing "Debilitating Illnesses"
I took two boosters and I’m probably good to go. I’ll see what emerging evidence comes out. I kind of follow Paul Offit who has been critical of boosters for young people. Please note he is very much for the vaccine. See how balanced and nuanced I am? It’s almost like I’m not an ideologue.
Yep, Offit is a pretty good one to follow. He was very skeptical of the bivalent booster and even more so when he realized our public health authorities held back data which further undermined the use of the BA4/BA5 bivalent. I’m not sure where he stands on annual boosters, but I’m guessing he’s cynical now.
Nuance is important Rick. Like some demographics absolutely needed the vaccine while others didn’t versus the risk, which is all I’ve argued from the beginning. And, of course, we had therapeutic support as well.
I’m only really trolling the people who think the vaccine is giving people ALS. Fully aware there are vaccine injuries. Still it’s a net positive.
I took two boosters and I’m probably good to go. I’ll see what emerging evidence comes out. I kind of follow Paul Offit who has been critical of boosters for young people. Please note he is very much for the vaccine. See how balanced and nuanced I am? It’s almost like I’m not an ideologue.
Yep, Offit is a pretty good one to follow. He was very skeptical of the bivalent booster and even more so when he realized our public health authorities held back data which further undermined the use of the BA4/BA5 bivalent. I’m not sure where he stands on annual boosters, but I’m guessing he’s cynical now.
Nuance is important Rick. Like some demographics absolutely needed the vaccine while others didn’t versus the risk, which is all I’ve argued from the beginning. And, of course, we had therapeutic support as well.
Nuance is indeed important.
Offit has argued that the marginal benefit of boosters in generally younger healthy demographics isn't justified.
This is very different than arguing that the benefit of the primary vaccine course in those demographics was not justified prior to broad population exposure during the omicron era. Offit has not made the latter argument.
Yep, Offit is a pretty good one to follow. He was very skeptical of the bivalent booster and even more so when he realized our public health authorities held back data which further undermined the use of the BA4/BA5 bivalent. I’m not sure where he stands on annual boosters, but I’m guessing he’s cynical now.
Nuance is important Rick. Like some demographics absolutely needed the vaccine while others didn’t versus the risk, which is all I’ve argued from the beginning. And, of course, we had therapeutic support as well.
Nuance is indeed important.
Offit has argued that the marginal benefit of boosters in generally younger healthy demographics isn't justified.
This is very different than arguing that the benefit of the primary vaccine course in those demographics was not justified prior to broad population exposure during the omicron era. Offit has not made the latter argument.
Offit has argued that the marginal benefit of boosters in generally younger healthy demographics isn't justified.
This is very different than arguing that the benefit of the primary vaccine course in those demographics was not justified prior to broad population exposure during the omicron era. Offit has not made the latter argument.
Offit encouraged his own college age son to get vaccinated against the wild type. That’s good enough for me as a somewhat healthy, young male. He’s done several podcasts with Zdoggmd.
This study was posted earlier in support of vaccination.
Instead, it's a great illustration of why you should never base major decisions off a study's conclusions without looking at the data itself. In this case, they looked only at covid and ignored the MUCH bigger problem their study uncovered.
That problem was the dramatic rise in non-covid excess deaths AFTER the vaccine became available to youths.
Excess death data wasn't in their study, but their source for deaths was in Footnote 1. After some data mining, here is what I found at the CDC WONDER data site. For simplicity, I chose the age 5-9 cohort to evaluate.
Annual deaths averaged 2,331 in 2018 and 2019. Deaths declined in 2020 to 2,210, increased to 2,406 in 2021, and increased to 2,503 in 2022. I then looked at the study's covid death rates for the 5-9 cohort (0.4/100,000)... about 16 covid deaths in the 5-9 cohort in 2022.
Here is what I found for the 5-9 cohort.
Excess deaths in 2022 vs 2018-2019 average: 171
Covid deaths in 2022: 16
Non-covid EXCESS DEATHS: 171-16 = 155
In 2022, excess deaths should have gone DOWN because the vaccine was available, but instead, deaths went UP!
This is the big story.The vaccine became available for 5-9 year-olds at the end of 2021. In 2022, non-covid excess deaths exceeded covid deaths by a ratio of 155/16.
Something is killing kids at TEN TIMES THE RATE of covid, yet it's being ignored and clumped in with heart attacks, etc.
I think it's the vaccine, but you can make your own call.
Not once in your entire cut and paste does it show evidence that IgG4 Abs are known to be worse at neutralizing viral infections.
We discussed this paper when it came out. The class switch is noteworthy but I caution other readers to beware of those who throw around “highly likely” when their reference says nothing of the sort. Let’s not give into hype.
Untrue. First of all, read the entire paper. Secondly, these three paragraphs are intimating exactly that. There’s no “hype” here, just something that warrants further investigation & justifies some skepticism:
“Independent of the underlying mechanism, the induction of antiviral IgG4 antibodies is a phenomenon infrequently described and raises important questions about its functional consequences. Neutralizing antibodies preventing the initial binding of the viral particle to its specific cellular receptor are considered to be the most protective measure against SARS-CoV-2 infections (35). This competitive binding is mediated by the variable antigen-binding site and does not rely on the constant part of the Fc fragment. In the present study, we confirmed previous reports on improved avidity and neutralizing potential of vaccine-induced antibodies after the third vaccination (9–11). However, the large number of breakthrough infections caused by the Omicron variant indicates that current vaccination regimens do not confer sterilizing protection. Once infection is established, Fc-mediated effector functions become more relevant to clear viral infections. Systemic serology approaches have even revealed that different antibody functions can contribute to various degrees to protection dependent on the viral pathogen, as shown for influenza viruses, RSV, or SARS-CoV-2 (36–39). Passive immunization studies in animal models have further demonstrated that the degree of protection achieved by the application of mAbs depends on their IgG subclass (40–43). In this regard, IgG4 is considered an anti-inflammatory IgG with low potential to mediate Fc-dependent effector function such as ADCC or ADCP (20, 44).
High levels of antigen-specific IgG4 have been reported to correlate with successful allergen-specific immunotherapy by blocking IgE-mediated effects (45). In addition, increasing levels of bee venom–specific IgG4 have been detected in beekeepers over several beekeeping seasons and lastly even became the dominant IgG subclass for the specific antigen, i.e., phospholipase A (PLA). The IgG4 response is characterized by a very slow kinetics and takes several months to appear, whereas PLA-specific IgG1 antibodies were already measurable at earlier time points, which resembles our findings in this study (46). Furthermore, an increase in PLA-specific IgG4-switched B cells was observed in patients undergoing specific immunotherapies (SITs) (47).
So far, few studies on the role of vaccine-induced IgG4 responses against infectious diseases are available. In the field of HIV vaccine development, repeated protein immunization in the trial VAX003 (48) led to higher levels of HIV gp120-specific IgG2 and IgG4, whereas a prime-boost immunization with a canarypox vector (ALVAC-HIV) and the same protein vaccine in the RV144 trial (49) resulted in higher HIV-specific IgG3 responses correlating with partial protection against HIV (50, 51). Furthermore, the vaccine-elicited IgG3 antibodies enhanced effector functions as ADCC and ADCP, but vaccine-induced IgG4 inhibited those functions (51).”
Yeah it's all theorizing and attempts at extension from very different immune scenarios.
Hence the extreme qualifiers:
With respect to the control of viral infections, little is known regarding virus-specific IgG4 antibody responses. As shown here for RSV-specific IgG responses, IgG4 is hardly induced by acute respiratory viral infections even after repeated exposure. Although measles-specific IgG4 antibodies can be induced by natural infection (52), even chronic viral infections such as human cytomegalovirus (HCMV) do not trigger significant specific IgG4 antibodies (53). There are very few reports on the induction of IgG4 after natural infection with SARS-CoV-2. The dominant subclasses were mostly IgG1 and IgG3 (54–56).
As I've said, it's noteworthy but great caution should be taken in projecting the true impact.
For example, 'common sense' would suggest that whole-virus vaccines would be superior for breadth and efficacy over subunit/mRNA vaccines due to having more epitopes to recognize to avoid immune escape. However, the data clearly show that spike-focused vaccines are far better for both efficacy (due to much more focused neutralization) and breadth. Whole-virus vaccines have largely failed.
Great care needs to be taken when inferring immunological models from unrelated systems. I suggest you to heed this and avoid getting too far over your skis.
This study was posted earlier in support of vaccination.
Instead, it's a great illustration of why you should never base major decisions off a study's conclusions without looking at the data itself. In this case, they looked only at covid and ignored the MUCH bigger problem their study uncovered.
That problem was the dramatic rise in non-covid excess deaths AFTER the vaccine became available to youths.
Excess death data wasn't in their study, but their source for deaths was in Footnote 1. After some data mining, here is what I found at the CDC WONDER data site. For simplicity, I chose the age 5-9 cohort to evaluate.
Annual deaths averaged 2,331 in 2018 and 2019. Deaths declined in 2020 to 2,210, increased to 2,406 in 2021, and increased to 2,503 in 2022. I then looked at the study's covid death rates for the 5-9 cohort (0.4/100,000)... about 16 covid deaths in the 5-9 cohort in 2022.
Here is what I found for the 5-9 cohort.
Excess deaths in 2022 vs 2018-2019 average: 171
Covid deaths in 2022: 16
Non-covid EXCESS DEATHS: 171-16 = 155
In 2022, excess deaths should have gone DOWN because the vaccine was available, but instead, deaths went UP!
This is the big story.The vaccine became available for 5-9 year-olds at the end of 2021. In 2022, non-covid excess deaths exceeded covid deaths by a ratio of 155/16.
Something is killing kids at TEN TIMES THE RATE of covid, yet it's being ignored and clumped in with heart attacks, etc.
I think it's the vaccine, but you can make your own call.
I went to the CDC WONDER database and found the following for 5-9 y/os:
and since almost every college requires THE JAB, the unstated logical conclusion is that he he was JABBED. Therefor, consistent with most other athletes who've died, death due to a heart related issue is also a logical conclusion.
Not Today, Satan
Most of the population decline will be achieved with sterility and infertility. These will become more apparent in 3 years.
Grand Vizier
luckily for me, my pureblood son and his pureblood wife are having a pureblood baby this year! while, unfortunately, jabbed children of jabbed friends of mine are miscarrying their grandchildren. They don't see this for what it is yet. Perhaps in time they will understand the tragedy that has occurred.
Woodguru
If someone doesn't see this now...They are willingly blind and will never see it! I have friends tell me. "I don't want to hear any more!" I don't even bring it up with some of my family. They don't want to know!
We all know what an early promoter of getting everyone vaccinated as soon as the first COVID-19 jabs became available Bill Gates was – even if he didn’t want...
Most of the population decline will be achieved with sterility and infertility. These will become more apparent in 3 years.
Do not rule out the possibility of vaccine induced Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, which can take 10 years to materialize as holes in the brain. If that happens, then the apocalypse has arrived.
and since almost every college requires THE JAB, the unstated logical conclusion is that he he was JABBED. Therefor, consistent with most other athletes who've died, death due to a heart related issue is also a logical conclusion.
Not Today, Satan
Most of the population decline will be achieved with sterility and infertility. These will become more apparent in 3 years.
Grand Vizier
luckily for me, my pureblood son and his pureblood wife are having a pureblood baby this year! while, unfortunately, jabbed children of jabbed friends of mine are miscarrying their grandchildren. They don't see this for what it is yet. Perhaps in time they will understand the tragedy that has occurred.
Woodguru
If someone doesn't see this now...They are willingly blind and will never see it! I have friends tell me. "I don't want to hear any more!" I don't even bring it up with some of my family. They don't want to know!
Gateway pundit. That reliable source of information lol
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