Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

How can you be so ignorant of a topic you post about incessantly? In the last several decades, Ukrainians have had multiple free and fair elections, most recently in 2019. Russia has not. There are no credible reports of Zelensky enriching himself from corruption, just lots of disinformation on the usual craptastic sites.

You really do have zero credibility about basically everything.

The EU's economy is the same size as ours. Ukraine is their immediate neighbor. They get most of their energy from Russia.

Put your genius to work and explain to me why the EU is providing less than 1/3 of the aid the US is?

And let's stop pretending you give the slightest f*ck about children. Thousands of kids smuggled and sex trafficked over the US border are raped on the way and you don't give a damn because you haven't been instructed to.

huffpost.com

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

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Yea 3rd world elections in the second most corrupt country in Europe was obviously free and fair...

You are hopelessly naive.

Zelensky is a tyrant. There are no good guys in countries as corrupt as Ukraine and Russia.

news.yahoo.com

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

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thetimes.co.uk

Volodymyr Zelensky: Journalists accuse Ukrainian president of purge on critics

Marc Bennetts, Moscow

Ukrainian journalists have appealed to Europe’s top human rights court after losing their jobs in the government’s purge of channels

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How can you be so ignorant of basically everything?

When the US meddled in Iran, we got the Shah. When we didn't meddle, we got the mullahs.

You seem not to have heard, but the US got rid of Saddam Hussein a while ago. Basically for the LOLz.

We meddled in Afghanistan and the Soviet Union fell apart because of it. A huge win for the US. The Taliban arose much later, after we stopped meddling, and was not the same movement as the forces that opposed the Soviets. And then Al Qaeda wasn't even a native Afghan group at all, but outsiders that used Afghanistan as a base. You may not have heard, but treating all those brown people in Afghanistan as interchangeable is something only ignorant people do these days.

It's actually shocking how shallow your understanding of history is.

"80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S."

They mostly cross into Texas. Therefore, Texans are raping immigrants.

That was a couple pipelines ago. Did you miss the news about the mysterious explosions? Russian oil and gas to Europe are going away.

Russian soldiers are murdering Ukrainian kids. I prefer to spend my tax dollars on weapons to make it stop. You prefer whataboutism.

I can see that the weapons are working. Lots of videos are coming out of dead or surrendering Russian soldiers and mangled Russian tanks. Your whataboutism would let the Russians go on killing and raping whoever they please in a country of 40 million people.

Face it: You don't understand Ukraine, you don't understand how the world works, and all you want is for the rest of the world to stand by and do nothing while Russian soldiers continue to kill, rape and loot. Well, to hell with that.

theguardian.com

Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/lorenzo-tondo

Investigating teams reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas

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a few interesting things for you and anyone else who is curious

- during the USSR/Afghan war, the CIA trained al queda and gave them US weapons, later we did the same with the Taliban....then yrs later we attacked them
- during the Iraq/Iran war, the CIA trained and gave US weapons to Saddam. then later we went and attacked. the whole WMD if it was true, it was the US who gave those things to Saddam during that 10yr war.

The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan (December 1979 – February 1989).[21] The United States viewed the conflict in Afghanistan in terms of the Cold War, with Marxists on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen on the other. This view led to a CIA program called Operation Cyclone, which channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen.[170] The US government provided substantial financial support to the Afghan Islamic militants. Aid to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan mujahideen leader and founder of the Hezb-e Islami, amounted to more than $600 million. In addition to American aid, Hekmatyar was the recipient of Saudi aid.[171] In the early 1990s, after the US had withdrawn support, Hekmatyar "worked closely" with bin Laden.[6]

After the Soviet Union intervened and occupied Afghanistan in 1979, Islamic mujahideen fighters waged a war against Soviet forces. During the Soviet–Afghan War, nearly all of the Taliban's original leaders had fought for either the Hezb-i Islami Khalis or the Harakat-i Inqilab-e Islami factions of the Mujahideen.[103]
Pakistan's President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq feared that the Soviets were also planning to invade Balochistan, Pakistan, so he sent Akhtar Abdur Rahman to Saudi Arabia to garner support for the Afghan resistance against Soviet occupation forces. A while later, the US CIA and the Saudi Arabian General Intelligence Directorate (GID) funnelled funding and equipment through the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) to the Afghan mujahideen.[104] About 90,000 Afghans, including Mohammed Omar, were trained by Pakistan's ISI during the 1980s.[104]

Iraq began receiving support from the United States and west European countries as well. Saddam was given diplomatic, monetary, and military support by the United States, including massive loans, political influence, and intelligence on Iranian deployments gathered by American spy satellites.[152] The Iraqis relied heavily on American satellite footage and radar planes to detect Iranian troop movements, and they enabled Iraq to move troops to the site before the battle.[153]
With Iranian success on the battlefield, the United States increased its support of the Iraqi government, supplying intelligence, economic aid, and dual-use equipment and vehicles, as well as normalizing its intergovernmental relations (which had been broken during the 1967 Six-Day War).[152] President Ronald Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary to prevent Iraq from losing".[154] In March 1982, Reagan signed National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM) 4-82—seeking "a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East"—and in June Reagan signed a National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) co-written by NSC official Howard Teicher, which determined: "The United States could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran."[155][156]
In 1982, Reagan removed Iraq from the list of countries "supporting terrorism" and sold weapons such as howitzers to Iraq via Jordan.[152] France sold Iraq millions of dollars worth of weapons, including Gazelle helicopters, Mirage F-1 fighters, and Exocet missiles. Both the United States and West Germany sold Iraq dual-use pesticides and poisons that would be used to create chemical weapons[152] and other weapons, such as Roland missiles.

so if one looks at the history of things, the US will be bombing the sh*t out of Ukraine in 5-10yrs lol

now back to the problem at hand.....enough of you guys arguing about dumb sh*t and wake me up when ww3 starts or nukes start dropping. im f*cking bored as hell.

"pooty this pooty that" "US did this US did that" "ukraine this ukraine that"....like who gives a flying f*ck. i have been waiting since march for ww3 and nukes and im losing interest in this like its the last season of gang bang of thrones.

Globalism is a lot more than just trading goods. It is also the migration of people and their cultures, it is international education and international tourism. It is the growth of global branding and global media. Globalism was inevitable even without the US Navy.

So now that it;s totally obvious Ukraine will win this war, how does Putin get out of this? Throwing bombs into buildings won't win anything , the fact Russians have no clue how to fight kinda shocking actually, they suck and we all see it.

When will Putiin......ok ok ok I give up you win?

The mullahs were the response to the shah.

The US created Saddam Hussein before we decided to get rid of him. We even sold him chemical weapons.

The Soviet Union didn't fall apart because of Afghanistan. The Soviet Union fell apart because communism doesn't work unless you're a capitalist communist like the Chinese.

Al Qaeda was formed from the mujahedeen who had been fighting the Soviets. They went to Afghanistan because the Soviets were there. We meddled and funded them and it came back to bite us as it always seems to. Pretending otherwise is silly.

And are you honestly going to play the racism card when you only suddenly care about kids getting killed when white kids in Ukraine are on the news? LOL!

Jesus Christ...

I doubt you even pay taxes. Someone as stupid as you is clearly in the 50% who don't.

It might feel good for an idiot like yourself to just declare that Russian oil and gas to Europe is going away but for the Europeans who don't currently have an alternative it doesn't feel very good at all.

You don't understand how the world works.

So America meddling in other nations elections and governments is okay?

And youy whine that everyone hates America

Ukraine is not going to win this war.

A little common sense please

like i just said with quotes. most people are too f*cking dumb to read real truth, they just go off the lying media.

al qaedu, taliban and saddam, all trained and achieved power from the CIA, with TAX payer money, and given millions of dollars worth of the best of the US military had to offer.

a few interesting things for you and anyone else who is curious
- during the USSR/Afghan war, the CIA trained al queda and gave them US weapons, later we did the same with the Taliban....then yrs later we attacked them
- during the Iraq/Iran war, the CIA trained and gave US weapons to Saddam. then later we went and attacked. the whole WMD if it was true, it was the US who gave those things to Saddam during that 10yr war.

The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan (December 1979 – February 1989).[21] The United States viewed the conflict in Afghanistan in terms of the Cold War, with Marxists on one side and the native Afghan mujahideen on the other. This view led to a CIA program called Operation Cyclone, which channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen.[170] The US government provided substantial financial support to the Afghan Islamic militants. Aid to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan mujahideen leader and founder of the Hezb-e Islami, amounted to more than $600 million. In addition to American aid, Hekmatyar was the recipient of Saudi aid.[171] In the early 1990s, after the US had withdrawn support, Hekmatyar "worked closely" with bin Laden.[6]

After the Soviet Union intervened and occupied Afghanistan in 1979, Islamic mujahideen fighters waged a war against Soviet forces. During the Soviet–Afghan War, nearly all of the Taliban's original leaders had fought for either the Hezb-i Islami Khalis or the Harakat-i Inqilab-e Islami factions of the Mujahideen.[103]
Pakistan's President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq feared that the Soviets were also planning to invade Balochistan, Pakistan, so he sent Akhtar Abdur Rahman to Saudi Arabia to garner support for the Afghan resistance against Soviet occupation forces. A while later, the US CIA and the Saudi Arabian General Intelligence Directorate (GID) funnelled funding and equipment through the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) to the Afghan mujahideen.[104] About 90,000 Afghans, including Mohammed Omar, were trained by Pakistan's ISI during the 1980s.[104]

Iraq began receiving support from the United States and west European countries as well. Saddam was given diplomatic, monetary, and military support by the United States, including massive loans, political influence, and intelligence on Iranian deployments gathered by American spy satellites.[152] The Iraqis relied heavily on American satellite footage and radar planes to detect Iranian troop movements, and they enabled Iraq to move troops to the site before the battle.[153]
With Iranian success on the battlefield, the United States increased its support of the Iraqi government, supplying intelligence, economic aid, and dual-use equipment and vehicles, as well as normalizing its intergovernmental relations (which had been broken during the 1967 Six-Day War).[152] President Ronald Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary to prevent Iraq from losing".[154] In March 1982, Reagan signed National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM) 4-82—seeking "a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East"—and in June Reagan signed a National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) co-written by NSC official Howard Teicher, which determined: "The United States could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran."[155][156]
In 1982, Reagan removed Iraq from the list of countries "supporting terrorism" and sold weapons such as howitzers to Iraq via Jordan.[152] France sold Iraq millions of dollars worth of weapons, including Gazelle helicopters, Mirage F-1 fighters, and Exocet missiles. Both the United States and West Germany sold Iraq dual-use pesticides and poisons that would be used to create chemical weapons[152] and other weapons, such as Roland missiles.

notice the part in italics....WE GAVE THEM THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS lolz

so if one looks at the history of things, the US will be bombing the sh*t out of Ukraine in 5-10yrs lol

Are you paying any attention at all to how badly Russia is being whipped, dude what are you looking at?

Do you not get how badly Russia is doing?

i dont care how either side is doing.....im just sick of this low budget "war", when will ww3 and nukes start flying? this whole thing is like some tv series that had a lot excitement the first two seasons, then they start running out of ideas, then the last season is super lame and no one cares....

drop some nukes, invade russia, assassinate pooty or z-bag....like holy hell this is so lame. instead all we have to watch is preseason bball (lame), russel wilson stink it up, coevett rant about doping, or jamin b*tch about the housing crash.

i need some carnage already

* U.S. meddling in Iran is too benign of a statement. C.I.A.'s man on the ground ousted the legally elected Mohammed Mosaddegh. C.I.A.'s man on the ground was H. Schwarzkopf Sr.

* U.S. meddling in Iraq is too benign of a statement. Due to U.S. being angry at Iran for hostage issue, 1979-1980, C.I.A./U.S. paid Saddam Hussein to go to war against Iran. C.I.A. is much smaller than F.B.I. C.I.A. only paid Saddam Hussein for 2 or 3 years then C.I.A. set it up for other wealthy Arab nations (this is when it got complicated) to either grant Iraq to fight Iranians (Saddam Hussein's version) or loan Saddam Hussein money to fight Iran (wealthy Arab nations version including Kuwait). This is THE ONLY reason Iraq invaded Kuwait which lead to Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Saddam Hussein was of the belief, according to Saddam Hussein that Iraq fought Iranian Persians on behalf of all Arab nations. Saddam Hussein was not going to repay Arab nations since Iraq did all the fighting against Iran. Since Iraq became weaker post Desert Storm, by default Iran became stronger. Post Iraq Conflict 12 years later, again Iran became stronger.

None of these adventures work out as the clowns at think tanks say these things will work out.