Trump’s scapegoat-groups keep getting larger. Now it’s the EU, only 6 or 700 million people?
Trump’s scapegoat-groups keep getting larger. Now it’s the EU, only 6 or 700 million people?
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
^ tzee in the midst of a crisis pretending there is no crisis
Dude - come on. 1700 cases of CV so far and 61 MILLION cases of the swine flu. Which is larger - 1700 or 61 Million. I think you can even figure that out.
You are trying to make a case that the aggressive spread of CV is a nonissue... and you are failing miserably. Get your head in the game.
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Agip, you are probably too young to remember (half jokingly) but even with 61 Million Americans getting the swine flu NOTHING was shut down. No major sporting events were canceled. No sports seasons were canceled. Why is the response to the CV so different than to how we treated the swine flu? Is it because of Trump?
it's not because of trump, no. Trump holds no sway in other countries.
it's probably because of the scary videos of chinese ghost cities, of chinese cops capturing virus-carriers with butterfly nets, and the terrible state of italian medicine.
If italy hadn't happened this way, I suspect none of the the worldwide panic would have happened.
But we are all convinced that we are a week from being italy. We'll see. Maybe we are.
We will be but we won’t know because we aren’t testing
Well, ok then wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Just to iterate - 61 MILLION Americans got the swine flu. More than 12,000 died from it.
Nobody is blaming Trump for an act of nature. They are blaming him for being indifferent to its effect on the citizenry as he is with most anything except in the context of how it reflects on his personal glory. The same reason he has been despised by a large portion of the citizenry since he took office. He's a narcissist and unfit for office. You know it and I know it.
The great tragedy is that it took over three years and a potential catastrophe for his enablers to be forced to admit this, if in fact they do.
Sally is well aware.. but he really loves the dear leader and doesn’t want to see him go
Delta & Lufthansa airlines considering gov’t aid to avoid bankruptcy.
RIP Trump 2020 says conservative columnist who served under Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger.
“the Trump presidency is over.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Dude - come on. 1700 cases of CV so far and 61 MILLION cases of the swine flu. Which is larger - 1700 or 61 Million. I think you can even figure that out.
You are trying to make a case that the aggressive spread of CV is a nonissue... and you are failing miserably. Get your head in the game.
I am not saying it is a non-issue but look at the STATS:
Coronavirus cases in America so far - about 1700
Swine Flu cases in America (circa 2009) - 61 MILLION
One is 4 digits
The other - where no one was panicking - is 8 digits. The swine flu had 40 million TIMES infected Americans than the CV currently has.
Sally Vix wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Nobody is blaming Trump for an act of nature. They are blaming him for being indifferent to its effect on the citizenry as he is with most anything except in the context of how it reflects on his personal glory. The same reason he has been despised by a large portion of the citizenry since he took office. He's a narcissist and unfit for office. You know it and I know it.
The great tragedy is that it took over three years and a potential catastrophe for his enablers to be forced to admit this, if in fact they do.
You make some valid points - but let's take Trump out of the equation for a bit. His main duty is calming Americans. Everyone with the CDC and every other American organization whose responsibility is to address such a calamity like this should have already been doing such. Trump doesn't need to babysit them. They are being paid good money to handle a pandemic such as this. Trump is just a figurehead for the most part.
What this is clearly exposing is that the he didn’t show up the one time he was expected to work. He is the fkn POTUS, if he doesn’t send a clear message it creates chaos in times like these. People want to be comforted and calmed. A leader will bring order to the house and display control. He is failing bigly. You are suggesting he’s president when the out-of-his-control good things happen, but just a figurehead when his leadership is required. Is his load salty today?
johnny99 wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
You make some valid points - but let's take Trump out of the equation for a bit. His main duty is calming Americans. Everyone with the CDC and every other American organization whose responsibility is to address such a calamity like this should have already been doing such. Trump doesn't need to babysit them. They are being paid good money to handle a pandemic such as this. Trump is just a figurehead for the most part.
Well, Trump is obviously failing at calming Americans. And he has undermined the government's ability to fight this pandemic.
"In 2018, Trump fired Tom Bossert, whose job as homeland security adviser on the NSC included coordinating the response to global pandemics. Bossert was not replaced. Last year, Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the NSC's senior director for global health security and biodefense, left the council and was not replaced. Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC's director for medical and biodefense preparedness, left in May 2018 and was also not replaced."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-cuts-national-security-staff-may-hurt-coronavirus-response-say-n1143656
There is wiggle room on this one - trump is just a colossal failure.
Trollminator wrote:
johnny99 wrote:
Well, Trump is obviously failing at calming Americans. And he has undermined the government's ability to fight this pandemic.
"In 2018, Trump fired Tom Bossert, whose job as homeland security adviser on the NSC included coordinating the response to global pandemics. Bossert was not replaced. Last year, Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the NSC's senior director for global health security and biodefense, left the council and was not replaced. Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC's director for medical and biodefense preparedness, left in May 2018 and was also not replaced."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-cuts-national-security-staff-may-hurt-coronavirus-response-say-n1143656There is wiggle room on this one - trump is just a colossal failure.
Meant no wiggle room of course. It would be better for him and all of us if he just STFU and went into isolation for a couple of months.
Less than 5 minutes to Trump TV.
Look for signs of drugs used to hide illness, and makeup used to hide sweating.
Trollminator wrote:
Meant no wiggle room of course. It would be better for him and all of us if he just STFU and went into isolation for a couple of months.
He could announce he is resigning and leave his mess to Pence to clean up.
Sally’s Governor in Texas just declared an emergency; he’s opening four drive-through testing centers.
Because fat boy won’t do it.
Trump TV link
jesseriley wrote:
Sally’s Governor in Texas just declared an emergency; he’s opening four drive-through testing centers.
Because fat boy won’t do it.
Will the drive-thrus be at Sonics?
Trump has something. An illness based on his breathy voice.
agip wrote:
phantoms wrote:
The link provides data from the CDC. Your claim is: It is all wrong.
Dude, H1N1 in2009 was swine flu, first off. I'm not going to fact check you but get it together.
Regarding the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 "swine flu" in the US:
Confirmed cases: 115,318
Confirmed deaths: 3,433
The higher numbers mentioned earlier are based on estimates.
If you want estimates on COVID-19, it is that it will be contracted by 70 to 150 million Americans.
Trump definitely has the virus. He cannot hide it.
phantoms wrote:
Trump has something. An illness based on his breathy voice.
I couldn't tune in.. serious difference?
phantoms wrote:
Trump definitely has the virus. He cannot hide it.
A lot of sniffles, and shortness of breath. He is having difficulty breathing.