I am neither trolling nor defending him. I am merely providing facts. I have provided none of my opinions.
Jonathan Gault has looked into the situation and after weeks of work has produced this story:
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Momsfavoritemiddlechild wrote:
Not to play devils advocate here, but wouldn’t the Strava one be more of just “guilty by association?” Unless I’m missing something here, obviously being in a “nutrition” club with someone promoting EPO is def a bad look
The point is that the email from Strava "proves" that it is real because in order for that to be there, someone would have to know that he follows that group on strava and know that he would have received that notification and then faked the notification. The reason it is showing up is because of the search for EPO in the gmail inbox.
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With Emmanuel Leblond also going to a good academic d3, and taking Seth out of nationals could mean he wins, I would say he is smart enough and has ENORMOUS stake in the situation and motive to create the email.
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well . wrote:
With Emmanuel Leblond also going to a good academic d3, and taking Seth out of nationals could mean he wins, I would say he is smart enough and has ENORMOUS stake in the situation and motive to create the email.
I'm sure anyone at John Hopkins could realize that if the only email in the inbox is the EPO one, it wouldn't look realistic enough
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well . wrote:
With Emmanuel Leblond also going to a good academic d3, and taking Seth out of nationals could mean he wins, I would say he is smart enough and has ENORMOUS stake in the situation and motive to create the email.
He’s an engineering major try again
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yeah, and you can't use AI or make a new Gmail account?
it's not rocket science that requires a computer scientist
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Facts:
1. SC spends two years being an okay D1 athlete
2. He has a break out performance at Nutty (arguably good enough to put in Iowa State's top 7)
3. He (and other B squad runners) are suspended shortly after for breaking "Team Rules"
4. SC transfers to D3 Rowan
5. SC is running track times that almost any D1 school would give him money
Questions:
What team rule did he break?
Why did he transfer if he was cleared of wrong doing?
Why did he decide to punch down and go D3?
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Iowa Sideways wrote:
I am neither trolling nor defending him. I am merely providing facts. I have provided none of my opinions.
Hi Rekbot!
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well . wrote:
With Emmanuel Leblond also going to a good academic d3, and taking Seth out of nationals could mean he wins, I would say he is smart enough and has ENORMOUS stake in the situation and motive to create the email.
Just sign the FERPA release buddy
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Coffee Black wrote:
Facts:
1. SC spends two years being an okay D1 athlete
2. He has a break out performance at Nutty (arguably good enough to put in Iowa State's top 7)
3. He (and other B squad runners) are suspended shortly after for breaking "Team Rules"
4. SC transfers to D3 Rowan
5. SC is running track times that almost any D1 school would give him money
Questions:
What team rule did he break?
Why did he transfer if he was cleared of wrong doing?
Why did he decide to punch down and go D3?
Seriously, this thread keeps going in circles because all we can do is speculate based on what's known to us. The lack of transparency from all parties keeps bringing more and more attention to this. How can Seth just sit there and take all the heat in the past months and just...not say or do anything about it?
Seth is only bringing this upon himself and that's probably the most frustrating aspect of this. If he truly cared about his reputation and clean sport, he would release a statement that clears everything up. He's only continued to hurt his and Rowan's reputation with his continued silence. And don't act like that statement from his attorney did anything other than make unsupported claims.
I ran D3 and I believe that if Seth were actually clean and came out with evidence that he was, then as much as I'd hate a D1 -> D3 athlete coming in and breaking all these records, it's not like he's doing anything wrong.270 -
S.C deez nuts wrote:
Coffee Black wrote:
Facts:
1. SC spends two years being an okay D1 athlete
2. He has a break out performance at Nutty (arguably good enough to put in Iowa State's top 7)
3. He (and other B squad runners) are suspended shortly after for breaking "Team Rules"
4. SC transfers to D3 Rowan
5. SC is running track times that almost any D1 school would give him money
Questions:
What team rule did he break?
Why did he transfer if he was cleared of wrong doing?
Why did he decide to punch down and go D3?
Seriously, this thread keeps going in circles because all we can do is speculate based on what's known to us. The lack of transparency from all parties keeps bringing more and more attention to this. How can Seth just sit there and take all the heat in the past months and just...not say or do anything about it?
Seth is only bringing this upon himself and that's probably the most frustrating aspect of this. If he truly cared about his reputation and clean sport, he would release a statement that clears everything up. He's only continued to hurt his and Rowan's reputation with his continued silence. And don't act like that statement from his attorney did anything other than make unsupported claims.
I ran D3 and I believe that if Seth were actually clean and came out with evidence that he was, then as much as I'd hate a D1 -> D3 athlete coming in and breaking all these records, it's not like he's doing anything wrong.
I mean, Occam's razor here, if signing a FERPA release would put all of this to bed, then he'd do it. So clearly there's more to it than what he or his incompetent lawyer has said.
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nah right wrote:
S.C deez nuts wrote:
Seriously, this thread keeps going in circles because all we can do is speculate based on what's known to us. The lack of transparency from all parties keeps bringing more and more attention to this. How can Seth just sit there and take all the heat in the past months and just...not say or do anything about it?
Seth is only bringing this upon himself and that's probably the most frustrating aspect of this. If he truly cared about his reputation and clean sport, he would release a statement that clears everything up. He's only continued to hurt his and Rowan's reputation with his continued silence. And don't act like that statement from his attorney did anything other than make unsupported claims.
I ran D3 and I believe that if Seth were actually clean and came out with evidence that he was, then as much as I'd hate a D1 -> D3 athlete coming in and breaking all these records, it's not like he's doing anything wrong.
I mean, Occam's razor here, if signing a FERPA release would put all of this to bed, then he'd do it. So clearly there's more to it than what he or his incompetent lawyer has said.
I'd guess it looked like this:
SC gets caught with PEDs. ISU suspends him indefinitely, pending a larger investigation, making it clear that his time on the team is over. SC, with no reason to be in Iowa if he's not running, transfers out before the investigation completes, thereby creating the useful distinction of leaving on his accord vs. being expelled from school.
He then contacts Rowan, which is the closest school to where he grew up with a reasonably good team (even if it's D3) that can quickly accept mid-year transfers. Rowan's coaching staff is excited because he's D1 talent, and accepts SC's explanation of leaving on his own accord at face value. Months later, as more people begin to ask questions, they realize there's more to the story but SC refuses to sign a FERPA release and/or threatens legal action against ISU and Rowan.
Throughout all of this, SC (and likely his family) makes the situation much more difficult on themselves by continually pointing to the meaningless distinction of how he left ISU in the first place, hiring an incompetent family law attorney to quasi-publicly release a meaningless statement, and generally trolling and blocking anyone who wants to understand the situation clearly.
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for doubters wrote:
Lawyer claims Rowan endorsed a drug test for Seth and he was clear of EPO and has normal blood markers...EPO is incredibly hard to detect especially if micro dosed.
Wikipedia:
EPO is highly glycosylated (40% of total molecular weight), with half-life in blood around 5 h. EPO's half-life may vary between endogenous and recombinant versions. Additional glycosylation or other alterations of EPO via recombinant technology have led to the increase of EPO's stability in blood (thus requiring less frequent injections).2012 review of EPO:
"The detection of EPO abuse has been challenging for the following reasons: []Timing of sampling and availability of specialized dedicated laboratories with immense infrastructure requirements are the major limiting factors in detecting EPO misuse. The other factors playing a role in the detection are follows:
It is difficult to discriminate between the endogenous EPO and recombinant exogenous hormone.EPO has a relatively short half-life in serum (the half-life of rhEPO-a is 8.5 ± 2.4 hours when administered IV and 19.4 ± 10.7 hours when administeredSC).[]
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Science? wrote:
for doubters wrote:
Lawyer claims Rowan endorsed a drug test for Seth and he was clear of EPO and has normal blood markers...EPO is incredibly hard to detect especially if micro dosed.
Wikipedia:
EPO is highly glycosylated (40% of total molecular weight), with half-life in blood around 5 h. EPO's half-life may vary between endogenous and recombinant versions. Additional glycosylation or other alterations of EPO via recombinant technology have led to the increase of EPO's stability in blood (thus requiring less frequent injections).2012 review of EPO:
"The detection of EPO abuse has been challenging for the following reasons: []Timing of sampling and availability of specialized dedicated laboratories with immense infrastructure requirements are the major limiting factors in detecting EPO misuse. The other factors playing a role in the detection are follows:
It is difficult to discriminate between the endogenous EPO and recombinant exogenous hormone.EPO has a relatively short half-life in serum (the half-life of rhEPO-a is 8.5 ± 2.4 hours when administered IV and 19.4 ± 10.7 hours when administeredSC).[]
EPO is undetectable in urine after 3–4 days of injection.OK, great. He's not on EPO now, or at least, he's not testing positive.
Why did he leave ISU? What's the explanation for the sudden breakthrough in results, followed by a suspension and a transfer? Why did he transfer to a D3 school? What did Rowan know about why he left at the time they accepted the transfer, and what do they know now?
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letsdope123 wrote:
well . wrote:
With Emmanuel Leblond also going to a good academic d3, and taking Seth out of nationals could mean he wins, I would say he is smart enough and has ENORMOUS stake in the situation and motive to create the email.
Just sign the FERPA release buddy
The worst part about this entire thread is rojo saying there’s gonna be an article drop but SC doesn’t wanna sign a piece of paper lol
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So Rowans recap is wrong? wrote:
Halifacts wrote:
They just have the team who ran the dmr seed time
he will run 3k and mile as he’s entered in those I’d wager
Rowan’s own recap said he was in DMR and it looks like two other Rowan runners took first and second in 5k. He is scheduled for the mile but not the 3000 on the timing website.
Rowans recap is wrong. It was Slavinski (3:08), Wilson (1:55) , and Brad (4:23) in the DMR. Also, 2 TCNJ runners (Santiago and Guarino) finished 1-2 in the 5k, a Rowan runner got third.
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Soooo article soon?
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Summoning circle, hope this works
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numbers guy wrote:
Soooo article soon?
Rojo forgot about us
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