Finally, for what is relevant to the thread here, there is the Elise Stefanik-Claudine Gay interrogation in which Stefanik disingenuously conflates opposition to Israel or to the Israeli control of the "occupied territories" with genocide so as to set up her claim that students, faculty, and applicants who oppose Israel in any way should be dismissed.
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: That’s a yes or no question. Is that correct? Is that Ok for students to call for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard? Is that protected free speech? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: It’s a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. You are president of Harvard, so I assume you’re familiar with the term intifada, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that term, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: And you understand that the use of the term intifada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that? CLAUDINE GAY: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting quote, “there is only one solution intifada revolution.” And quote, “globalize the intifada.” Is that correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I will say again that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard’s code of conduct or is it allowed at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. But our values also — ELISE STEFANIK: Can you not say here that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It’s when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment — ELISE STEFANIK: Does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? CLAUDINE GAY: When — ELISE STEFANIK: You testify that you understand that it’s the definition of intifada. Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression even of views that are objectionable — ELISE STEFANIK: You and I both know that’s not the case. You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech. Are you not aware of that report? CLAUDINE GAY: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. ELISE STEFANIK: It’s — the data shows it’s true. And isn’t it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, racist statements, sometimes as young as 16 years old? Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? CLAUDINE GAY: That long predates my time as president, so I can’t — ELISE STEFANIK: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to rescind those offers of admission. CLAUDINE GAY: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you present them. ELISE STEFANIK: Correct, because it’s a fact. You’re also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was let go over he — over who he chose to legally represent, correct? That was while you were dean. CLAUDINE GAY: That is an incorrect characterization of what transpired. ELISE STEFANIK: What’s the characterization? CLAUDINE GAY: I’m not going to get into details about a personnel matter. ELISE STEFANIK: Well, let me ask you this, will admissions offers be rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or applicants who say from the river to the sea or intifada advocating for the murder of Jews? CLAUDINE GAY: As I’ve said that type of hateful reckless offensive speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: [inaudible] today that no action will be taken — what action will be taken? CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment or intimidation, we take action. And we have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold individuals accountable. ELISE STEFANIK: What action has been taken against students who are harassing and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard’s campus? CLAUDINE GAY: I can assure you we have robust — ELISE STEFANIK: What actions have been taken? I’m not asking — CLAUDINE GAY: What actions underway? ELISE STEFANIK: I’m asking what actions have been taken against those students. CLAUDINE GAY: Given students’ rights to privacy and our obligations under FERPA, I will not say more about any specific cases other than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you know what the number one hate crime in America is? CLAUDINE GAY: I know that over the last couple of months there has been an alarming rise of antisemitism, which I understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. ELISE STEFANIK: That’s correct. It is anti-Jewish hate crimes. And Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. This is why I’ve called for your resignation. And your testimony today, not being able to answer with moral clarity, speaks volumes. I yield back.
They all know what the point of the hearing us but they don't want to bother with truth and details... when the political attack didn't stick they dug into whatever they could find.
If you had bothered to read the Washington Post article that I linked you can see entire paragraphs that were lifted from other sources.
Did you bother to read the assessment by those very authors who said it was minor and not rising to theft of ideas?
If you wrote a Pultizer-winning book (highly unlikely) and I came along 5 years later and stole entire paragraphs from your book, would you consider those thefts minor?
Racism is power plus prejudice. 1) I am not being prejudice because her papers did in fact contain elements of copying that is at minimum controversial. She was ambiguous on camera when asked by a committee if she condemned the rabid antisemitism that happened at Harvard against some students at a hearing. 2) I have no power over this woman , I am not involved in Harvard or any educational institution that can fire someone. This woman received a salary of over 800 k USD the past year. She is not oppressed financially or socially. It is not “racist” to criticize a black person over sub par work , or in her case plagiarism of papers. Furthermore, there was another university professor, who is white , in an Ivy League who just resigned for also being ambiguous over denouncing antisemitism at their campus. Black people did not throw a fuss over her resigning.
Wow....you still can't help yourself from writing complete BS lies.
You do know there is a transcript of Dr. Gay and rep Stefanik. Stefanik clearly had a bone to pick, as not one student called for the death of any Jewish student at Harvard. Dr. Gay never said anything about Jews.
Dr. Gay is the total opposite of Sub par. It's funny these same folks lie about Dr. Gay and say she is unqualified (which is the biggest lie), but somehow think that trump would be a good President of the United States. He had zero experience. Zero. Never elected to anything ever and never served in any government capacity. Never in the military, as he lied to get out of service.
Newsflash...you don't keep up with black news in the African-American community. Plenty of African-Americans are upset.
Did you bother to read the assessment by those very authors who said it was minor and not rising to theft of ideas?
If you wrote a Pultizer-winning book (highly unlikely) and I came along 5 years later and stole entire paragraphs from your book, would you consider those thefts minor?
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
If you wrote a Pultizer-winning book (highly unlikely) and I came along 5 years later and stole entire paragraphs from your book, would you consider those thefts minor?
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
She is a fraud and now is gone. Everything worked out.
If you wrote a Pultizer-winning book (highly unlikely) and I came along 5 years later and stole entire paragraphs from your book, would you consider those thefts minor?
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
Yeah, Sally. Didn’t you hear? She just took someone else's work or ideas and passed them off as her own. That’s not plagiarism. That’s forgetting citations.
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
Yeah, Sally. Didn’t you hear? She just took someone else's work or ideas and passed them off as her own. That’s not plagiarism. That’s forgetting citations.
Yeah, Sally. Didn’t you hear? She just took someone else's work or ideas and passed them off as her own. That’s not plagiarism. That’s forgetting citations.
You don't have a degree.why are bothered?
You are correct. I don’t have “a” degree. I have multiple degrees. 👍
When people cheat to get their degree, it cheapens everyone else’s. Plus, I find the magnitude of mental gymnastics people are going through to defend her at this point fascinating.
Finally, for what is relevant to the thread here, there is the Elise Stefanik-Claudine Gay interrogation in which Stefanik disingenuously conflates opposition to Israel or to the Israeli control of the "occupied territories" with genocide so as to set up her claim that students, faculty, and applicants who oppose Israel in any way should be dismissed.
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: That’s a yes or no question. Is that correct? Is that Ok for students to call for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard? Is that protected free speech? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: It’s a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. You are president of Harvard, so I assume you’re familiar with the term intifada, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that term, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: And you understand that the use of the term intifada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that? CLAUDINE GAY: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting quote, “there is only one solution intifada revolution.” And quote, “globalize the intifada.” Is that correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I will say again that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard’s code of conduct or is it allowed at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. But our values also — ELISE STEFANIK: Can you not say here that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It’s when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment — ELISE STEFANIK: Does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? CLAUDINE GAY: When — ELISE STEFANIK: You testify that you understand that it’s the definition of intifada. Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression even of views that are objectionable — ELISE STEFANIK: You and I both know that’s not the case. You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech. Are you not aware of that report? CLAUDINE GAY: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. ELISE STEFANIK: It’s — the data shows it’s true. And isn’t it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, racist statements, sometimes as young as 16 years old? Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? CLAUDINE GAY: That long predates my time as president, so I can’t — ELISE STEFANIK: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to rescind those offers of admission. CLAUDINE GAY: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you present them. ELISE STEFANIK: Correct, because it’s a fact. You’re also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was let go over he — over who he chose to legally represent, correct? That was while you were dean. CLAUDINE GAY: That is an incorrect characterization of what transpired. ELISE STEFANIK: What’s the characterization? CLAUDINE GAY: I’m not going to get into details about a personnel matter. ELISE STEFANIK: Well, let me ask you this, will admissions offers be rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or applicants who say from the river to the sea or intifada advocating for the murder of Jews? CLAUDINE GAY: As I’ve said that type of hateful reckless offensive speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: [inaudible] today that no action will be taken — what action will be taken? CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment or intimidation, we take action. And we have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold individuals accountable. ELISE STEFANIK: What action has been taken against students who are harassing and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard’s campus? CLAUDINE GAY: I can assure you we have robust — ELISE STEFANIK: What actions have been taken? I’m not asking — CLAUDINE GAY: What actions underway? ELISE STEFANIK: I’m asking what actions have been taken against those students. CLAUDINE GAY: Given students’ rights to privacy and our obligations under FERPA, I will not say more about any specific cases other than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you know what the number one hate crime in America is? CLAUDINE GAY: I know that over the last couple of months there has been an alarming rise of antisemitism, which I understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. ELISE STEFANIK: That’s correct. It is anti-Jewish hate crimes. And Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. This is why I’ve called for your resignation. And your testimony today, not being able to answer with moral clarity, speaks volumes. I yield back.
For those keeping track, Elise Stefanik refused to condemn or vote to expel lying George Santos. Nor did she push for the resignation of Mike Johnson - who also supports lying George Santos. Until her morals aren’t determined by GOP politics, she’s a bigger fraud than Gay.
Finally, for what is relevant to the thread here, there is the Elise Stefanik-Claudine Gay interrogation in which Stefanik disingenuously conflates opposition to Israel or to the Israeli control of the "occupied territories" with genocide so as to set up her claim that students, faculty, and applicants who oppose Israel in any way should be dismissed.
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: That’s a yes or no question. Is that correct? Is that Ok for students to call for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard? Is that protected free speech? CLAUDINE GAY: Our commitment to free speech — ELISE STEFANIK: It’s a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. You are president of Harvard, so I assume you’re familiar with the term intifada, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that term, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: And you understand that the use of the term intifada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that? CLAUDINE GAY: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting quote, “there is only one solution intifada revolution.” And quote, “globalize the intifada.” Is that correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus, yes. ELISE STEFANIK: So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct? CLAUDINE GAY: I will say again that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard’s code of conduct or is it allowed at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. But our values also — ELISE STEFANIK: Can you not say here that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It’s when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment — ELISE STEFANIK: Does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? CLAUDINE GAY: When — ELISE STEFANIK: You testify that you understand that it’s the definition of intifada. Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not? CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression even of views that are objectionable — ELISE STEFANIK: You and I both know that’s not the case. You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech. Are you not aware of that report? CLAUDINE GAY: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. ELISE STEFANIK: It’s — the data shows it’s true. And isn’t it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, racist statements, sometimes as young as 16 years old? Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? CLAUDINE GAY: That long predates my time as president, so I can’t — ELISE STEFANIK: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to rescind those offers of admission. CLAUDINE GAY: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you present them. ELISE STEFANIK: Correct, because it’s a fact. You’re also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was let go over he — over who he chose to legally represent, correct? That was while you were dean. CLAUDINE GAY: That is an incorrect characterization of what transpired. ELISE STEFANIK: What’s the characterization? CLAUDINE GAY: I’m not going to get into details about a personnel matter. ELISE STEFANIK: Well, let me ask you this, will admissions offers be rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or applicants who say from the river to the sea or intifada advocating for the murder of Jews? CLAUDINE GAY: As I’ve said that type of hateful reckless offensive speech is personally abhorrent to me. ELISE STEFANIK: [inaudible] today that no action will be taken — what action will be taken? CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment or intimidation, we take action. And we have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold individuals accountable. ELISE STEFANIK: What action has been taken against students who are harassing and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard’s campus? CLAUDINE GAY: I can assure you we have robust — ELISE STEFANIK: What actions have been taken? I’m not asking — CLAUDINE GAY: What actions underway? ELISE STEFANIK: I’m asking what actions have been taken against those students. CLAUDINE GAY: Given students’ rights to privacy and our obligations under FERPA, I will not say more about any specific cases other than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. ELISE STEFANIK: Do you know what the number one hate crime in America is? CLAUDINE GAY: I know that over the last couple of months there has been an alarming rise of antisemitism, which I understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. ELISE STEFANIK: That’s correct. It is anti-Jewish hate crimes. And Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. This is why I’ve called for your resignation. And your testimony today, not being able to answer with moral clarity, speaks volumes. I yield back.
For those keeping track, Elise Stefanik refused to condemn or vote to expel lying George Santos. Nor did she push for the resignation of Mike Johnson - who also supports lying George Santos. Until her morals aren’t determined by GOP politics, she’s a bigger fraud than Gay.
Her reasoning was that he was not yet convicted of any crimes and wanted to follow the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" even though it cost her politically. Not sure if I agree with her decision, but unless you have actual proof against the reasoning I listed above, I think it shows integrity on her part. Not that Dems would know anything about that.
For those keeping track, Elise Stefanik refused to condemn or vote to expel lying George Santos. Nor did she push for the resignation of Mike Johnson - who also supports lying George Santos. Until her morals aren’t determined by GOP politics, she’s a bigger fraud than Gay.
Her reasoning was that he was not yet convicted of any crimes and wanted to follow the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" even though it cost her politically. Not sure if I agree with her decision, but unless you have actual proof against the reasoning I listed above, I think it shows integrity on her part. Not that Dems would know anything about that.
Sounds like political speak for “I’m going to do what’s best for me.” Claudine Gay committed no crimes, but that didn’t do jack-squat to stop Stefanik from calling for her to resign. As I said, Stefanik is a fraud supporting POS interested in scoring points with daddy Trump - no more, no less.
You are correct. I don’t have “a” degree. I have multiple degrees. 👍
When people cheat to get their degree, it cheapens everyone else’s. Plus, I find the magnitude of mental gymnastics people are going through to defend her at this point fascinating.
So now according to you Dr. Gay cheated.
You MFs are amazing with you wild exaggerations of black people.
Stop lying. Just because you repeatedly say a lie, doesn’t make it true. It just confirms that you are a bold faced liar.
You are correct. I don’t have “a” degree. I have multiple degrees. 👍
When people cheat to get their degree, it cheapens everyone else’s. Plus, I find the magnitude of mental gymnastics people are going through to defend her at this point fascinating.
So now according to you Dr. Gay cheated.
You MFs are amazing with you wild exaggerations of black people.
Stop lying. Just because you repeatedly say a lie, doesn’t make it true. It just confirms that you are a bold faced liar.
Where's the exaggeration? And why do you view every black person on earth as members of a collective that represent you personally other than the few who don't share your ideology?
If this was happening to Ben Carson or Larry Elder or any other conservative you would be screeching that the Uncle Tom's deserved it.
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You are correct. I don’t have “a” degree. I have multiple degrees. 👍
When people cheat to get their degree, it cheapens everyone else’s. Plus, I find the magnitude of mental gymnastics people are going through to defend her at this point fascinating.
So now according to you Dr. Gay cheated.
You MFs are amazing with you wild exaggerations of black people.
Stop lying. Just because you repeatedly say a lie, doesn’t make it true. It just confirms that you are a bold faced liar.
Ok. So now plagiarism isn’t cheating. Got it. What a strange world we live in these days.
Her reasoning was that he was not yet convicted of any crimes and wanted to follow the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" even though it cost her politically. Not sure if I agree with her decision, but unless you have actual proof against the reasoning I listed above, I think it shows integrity on her part. Not that Dems would know anything about that.
Sounds like political speak for “I’m going to do what’s best for me.” Claudine Gay committed no crimes, but that didn’t do jack-squat to stop Stefanik from calling for her to resign. As I said, Stefanik is a fraud supporting POS interested in scoring points with daddy Trump - no more, no less.
That's certainly true that Stefanik could be trying to curry favor with Trump, but her political maneuvering is completely irrelevant to Gay's mishandling of Pro-palestinian groups targeting Jewish students during protests, calling for Jewish genocide blaming Israel for the unprovoked and deliberate rape, murder and kidnapping of innocent Israeli civilians on her campus. Her plagiarism where she was proven to copy entire paragraphs from sources was the last nail in the coffin.
Video footage has revealed a Harvard University student being aggressively mobbed by pro-Palestinian activists, preventing him from leaving while shouting "s...
That's utter nonsense. George Santos had been proven to have lied about every aspect of his life and qualifications, in addition to the ongoing cases against him. But then she wanted to be consistent with her support of Donald Trump, also known to have lied about every aspect of his life and qualifications, in addition to the ongoing cases against him.
If you wrote a Pultizer-winning book (highly unlikely) and I came along 5 years later and stole entire paragraphs from your book, would you consider those thefts minor?
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
Stop lying, please, and stop pretending those scholars she PLAGIARIZED weren't under political pressure to make those statement...
they KNEW and further revelations showed what a FRAUD Gay was (and I bet it was worse than we yet know).
In campus politics and for their future job prospects, they didn't want to get caught out by being seen as anti-Gay... which is b.s. but understandable given the realties of how the FRAUD "woke" hashtag world works. #Boosted #StillMasking #Queers4Palestine #MeToo
Ask them the same off the record and I bet you'd get very different answers.
Why anyone woukd care to defend an insipid FRAUD like Gay instead of championing 100s of other little known but totally legitimate black scholars in any # of fields is ???
Cut the crap Sally. The infractions simply didn't rise to the level of "she's a fraud". Get it through your skull that the authors themselves said it was no biggie.
Stop lying, please, and stop pretending those scholars she PLAGIARIZED weren't under political pressure to make those statement...
they KNEW and further revelations showed what a FRAUD Gay was (and I bet it was worse than we yet know).
In campus politics and for their future job prospects, they didn't want to get caught out by being seen as anti-Gay... which is b.s. but understandable given the realties of how the FRAUD "woke" hashtag world works. #Boosted #StillMasking #Queers4Palestine #MeToo
Ask them the same off the record and I bet you'd get very different answers.
Why anyone woukd care to defend an insipid FRAUD like Gay instead of championing 100s of other little known but totally legitimate black scholars in any # of fields is ???
I'm amazed you guys were able to run this relatively minor story up to 45 pages (and counting). Some of you were spamming and padding the record, though. I'd bet a third of the posts are pointless.