Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

today I learned that a common factoid is not accurate .

Trump did try to defund the CDC, but congress wouldn't let him.

So dont' let people tell you that 'trump defunded the CDC.'

Yes, he wanted to, but he failed. Again.

agip wrote:

youse guys are mocking me and I can take it.

I'm trying to look at the facts on the ground.

here we are, what...three months after the outbreak of the virus and you know how many people died in the US of the thing today?

4.

You want to know how many died in China today of it?

1.

Germany? 2.

Call me crazy, but that doesnt' sound like the freaking Spanish Flu to me.

Remember we are three months in already.

Sorry agip, I am not trying to mock you. I actually think quite highly of you. And I don't really think others are trying to mock you either.

What I am trying to do (as usual) is to educate you.

Let's start with your selection of countries' data to cite.

China: If you believe the numbers and actions of the Chinese is accurately portraying what is happening there then there is very little I can do to help you. 100% state controlled media with a totalitarian state in charge. No. Just no.

US: The number of deaths as reported in the US is 26 at this moment. The number of cases where a COVID-19 patient has fully recovered is reported as 15. 624 cases reported in total. None of these numbers are remotely credible. Do you not understand this?

And even taking US case numbers at face value, the 83 new cases reported today represent a 15% DAILY growth rate. That means a doubling time of 5 Days! BTW - US deaths / reported cases is shows a 4% fatality rate. I would call that pretty serious.

Germany: Clearly an outlier. For someone who always gets on people's cases for cherry picking the data (on market returns) I can only say that I am ashamed of you - do better.

Finally, your comment on "3 months in" is disingenuous at best. This whole thing is just starting for most of the world.

I will happily provide you with information right here that is infinitely more relevant than the %*GE! that you just put forth. Then, at least you will have something worthwhile to go on.

All of my data will come from here:

in case anyone wishes to check my numbers.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Yes, and I was going to wait to bring up it but Sally's market advice doesn't seem to be working out too well on this -3.5% day. I'm sure it's all thoughts and prayers that they find anything on Biden that might stick until November.

I feel great about the market, Troll. I always have a lot on the sidelines and invested a lot last week with the free-fall. I have been doing this stuff too long to not know that the market ALWAYS bounces back. The Losers are those who worry and take money out. They have cemented their losses. I am not worried about today. I am worried about 20 years from now. The Dow will be at incredibly high levels by then.

Trump only thinks about money and numbers in general.

He doesn’t have any clue about people.

This idea of a tax cut bailout.

Right now the issue isn’t about people having money. It’s about people not spending the money they have.

A bigger paycheck isn’t going send people outside and on planes to spend the extra money.

How about that fed rate cut to boost markets?

One of the biggest drops in markets ever since that announcement. It’s scaring investors.

His words in press conferences aren’t reassuring because he always lies. Even his supporters know that.

He is totally out of his comfort zone right now.

I know this is a natural disaster and may go away soon, but it shows how fragile markets are and how our entire economy is built on confidence that in markets. It doesn’t take much for it all to fall apart.

It also puts a spotlight on this administration’s failure to do a thing about our healthcare system and the millions of additional people that are no longer covered since he took over.

Grazie for the kind words.

I got my data from the same place.

Germany is not an outlier at all.

New deaths:

Germany: 2

South Korea: 3

UK: 2

Netherlands: 1

France: 11

The disease has been out of china since early january. You want to call that 2 months? ok.

But still note that it's over in china already. And 2 months is 2 months.

One place I may be wrong is in how long it takes to kill people...if it takes 3 weeks to kill, then the US and europe death numbers will rise, no doubt.

The US case numbers are meanngless due to the lack of testing. But seems to me the death numbers are probably accurate. Although when a 92 year old dies in a nursing home it can be of multiple things. Gray area.

the other question is if we are all going the route of Italy...or not. If Italy is a preview...gonna be bad. If China and SK are previews, it won't be that bad.

Now, here is a way (by no means the only way) to look at what is happening with COVID-19. I will track growth rates for the world as a whole. I will, however, leave off China's numbers because they skew the data too much (75% of cases worldwide) and because it it not reasonable to think that the Communists in power have a heck of a lot of interest in the truth.

I am just starting this now (just for you!). And I have only backtracked two days so my data starts on Mar 7.

Here are the numbers to watch for COVID-19 worldwide (excluding China) updated daily.

Cumulative Case Growth Rate (Average compounded daily)

Cumulative Death Growth Rate (Average compounded daily)

Fatality Rate

Daily case growth (%):

Mar 8: 16.7

Mar 9: 15.8

Daily death growth (%):

Mar 8: 43.1

Mar 9: 34.0

Fatality Rate (Cumulative deaths/cases)

Mar 8: 2.4%

Mar 9: 2.7%

I make no prediction as to how these will evolve over time. I do think they will tell the story one way or the other (better than saying, "look at Germany!") Feel free to ask questions.

In the news:

Trump's new chief of staff (Mark Meadows) is under 14-day coronavirus self-quarantine because he, like Gaetz (self-quarantine) and Trump, attended CPAC. Only one of those three is not doing self-quarantine. Hmmm......

well if we're taking out outliers then let's take out Italy too - it's a standout for some reason. Probably because they were unlucky enough to have the disease early, before the planet became terrified enough to stay home and wash their hands.

I suspect those numbers look very different without Italy.

The existential question is whether Italy is the future or if just about any other place is the future.

Lost Tech wrote:

In the news:

Trump's new chief of staff (Mark Meadows) is under 14-day coronavirus self-quarantine because he, like Gaetz (self-quarantine) and Trump, attended CPAC. Only one of those three is not doing self-quarantine. Hmmm......

who the F was the CPAC patient zero? He or she has decapited the GOP.

Who gets close enough to the bigwigs? And I mean every bigwig.

The Burghh wrote:

I knew one day there would be a issue or situation where the American public would have to rely on the word of this President and his spokespeople and their constant lying would come back to bite them in the a$$. No one except the 30 something percent of fools who think he is God believes a word he says so this Coronavirus scare is a disaster waiting to get worse. He has been exposed as the incredibly incompetent shyster he is. I hope this scare ends soon because it is actually affecting by business but I have ABSOLUTELY no confidence in this President or his administration.

Even if you are a Republican who has had much fun with Trumps irreverent buffoonery, a national emergency exposes Trumps terrible short comings. Few people believe or trust him. He can not lead in this situation. Our country has no leader with the judgement and integrity needed at this time.

I hope he doesn't make moves to leave this country bankrupt.

Lost Tech wrote:

There is not twisting. Painkillers and emergency room admittance don't fix your health issue. Painkillers are masking agents.

Ok idiot, painkillers don't help

Lost Tech wrote:

Trump is a member of the highest risk category: elderly, obese, poor diet, high stress, lack of rest ,,, and apparently a hush-it-up heart attack last December. He can thanks younger Matt Gaetz for passing it on while riding on Air Force One with him; which happened the same day, and just hours before, Gaetz self-quarantined.

Wait but Gaetz was wearing a gas mask, can't be! Somebody call Alex Jones to get the bottom of it... I bet one of Soros' microscopic robot flies delivered the virus to trump.

agip wrote:

youse guys are mocking me and I can take it.

I'm trying to look at the facts on the ground.

here we are, what...three months after the outbreak of the virus and you know how many people died in the US of the thing today?

4.

You want to know how many died in China today of it?

1.

Germany? 2.

Call me crazy, but that doesnt' sound like the freaking Spanish Flu to me.

Remember we are three months in already.

I agree agip - but the cost of too many sick people, deadly or not, is very high... this is highly infectious because no one is immune. If everyone in a major US city gets sick around the same time it's going to cost a fortune and put a lot of strain on hospitals and supplies. The death rate is nothing to panic about unless you are 70+ and live in a nursing home.

Yeah and Italy is the great counter-example. Their health system is failing - can’t take care of the victims. That can happen elsewhere too.

agip wrote:

the other question is if we are all going the route of Italy...or not. If Italy is a preview...gonna be bad. If China and SK are previews, it won't be that bad.

I would hope we don't have to take the China route. NYC seems to be doing it right. Employers are being asked to give guidance for workers to commute 2 days out of the week and work remotely for the other 3. That way there is slower spread through mass transit. China took way too long to figure out what was happening and respond. Once we got the first confirmed cases then you know others are in their incubation period and the spread started, so it's easier to slow it down and prepare.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I agree agip - but the cost of too many sick people, deadly or not, is very high... this is highly infectious because no one is immune. If everyone in a major US city gets sick around the same time it's going to cost a fortune and put a lot of strain on hospitals and supplies. The death rate is nothing to panic about unless you are 70+ and live in a nursing home.

Yeah and Italy is the great counter-example. Their health system is failing - can’t take care of the victims. That can happen elsewhere too.

Yep and lots of old people... I get closing the schools even though kids aren't getting very sick - they can easily spread it. Will be interesting to see how quickly they get it under control with their nation-wide restrictions.

Trump was great as long as he was just sticking it to the libs... but now he is sticking it to the public at large. He has to be among the dumbest people to ever hold office anywhere in the world. 1. How hard is it to just act presidential for 5 minutes a day in front of a camera? 2. If you can't do that, how hard is it to just stay away from the cameras and twitter while the professionals do their job?

Trollminator wrote:

Lost Tech wrote:

There is not twisting. Painkillers and emergency room admittance don't fix your health issue. Painkillers are masking agents.

Ok idiot, painkillers don't help

Painkillers do not save you. They are given to people who are dying to ease their suffering as they die. Painkillers will not make the coronavirus disappear.