I’m not going to read through this entire thread. I will simply say that I found Trump’s behavior, per usual, appalling. I have no problem with them taking Zelensky to task for corruption, lack of accountability, and an unwillingness to settle the war behind closed doors, but to publicly flog him is embarrassing.
HAVING SAID THAT, I think some of Trump’s beef w Zelensky is that Biden flew Zelensky (taxpayer dime) to PA, of all places, THE potentially most significant swing state, last October and Zelensky and his entourage denigrated Trump/Vance. A move which I was completely appalled by at the time. So a little bit of payback.
Otherwise, he’s trying to “reset” the entire negotiation into making Europe step up way more than they ever have before (again, you don’t do it and alienate your historical allies). But the story of Ukraine is a complicated one. There was plenty of corruption and US interference that pre-dated Trump (one might see the connection to Hunter Biden’s pardon going all the way back to 2014, a very peculiar time, hmmm). Not to mention Nordstream 2 totally bypassing Ukraine such that Ukrainian and US oligarchs would no longer benefit.
And, most importantly, Biden invited Russia to invade. The negotiation should’ve happened back in 2022.
Let’s also not forget that we had an actual impeachment over Trump’s “perfect phone call and quid pro quo,” nevermind Biden’s own quid pro quo sanctioning the then (Obama/Biden) preferred form of corruption in Ukraine.
John Keegan is one of the most highly respected historians out there. He disagrees with you.
ill wait patiently for that citation
since you said it it must be true
a scholar of economic history he is? since this was the last expertise youre trying to represent here
"The First (World) War explains the second and, in fact, caused it, in so far as one event causes another. The link between the two wars went deeper. Germany fought specifically in the Second War to reverse the verdict of the first and to destroy the settlement that followed it." - AJP Taylor, "Origins of the Second World War"
you just made the claim he supports you lets see the evidence
more talk straight out of your A as you bluster and bumble around with Google
When we were talking, the actual adults, about WW2, theres a bit more going on than these single flash in the pan moments
i know its a lot to keep straight, like when the war is actually declared and how Hitler was appeased but its pretty foundational to our understanding of world events
but again, if you were in the US in 1930 you wouldve very likely believed Hitlers propaganda he created to use as pretexts for his aggression and expansionism so i never held out any hope for you to be a discerning, rational player here
you just made the claim he supports you lets see the evidence
more talk straight out of your A as you bluster and bumble around with Google
When we were talking, the actual adults, about WW2, theres a bit more going on than these single flash in the pan moments
i know its a lot to keep straight, like when the war is actually declared and how Hitler was appeased but its pretty foundational to our understanding of world events
but again, if you were in the US in 1930 you wouldve very likely believed Hitlers propaganda he created to use as pretexts for his aggression and expansionism so i never held out any hope for you to be a discerning, rational player here
John Keegan wrote one of the best books on World War 2 out there.
"The First (World) War explains the second and, in fact, caused it, in so far as one event causes another. The link between the two wars went deeper. Germany fought specifically in the Second War to reverse the verdict of the first and to destroy the settlement that followed it." - AJP Taylor, "Origins of the Second World War"
This is a citation Keegan made in the prologue of that book.
You've never heard of Keegan and you've never heard of Taylor because you don't know anything about this subject.
But by all means keep preening you absolute moron.
Because you're painfully stupid you feel obligated to disagree with anything I say.
The problem you're running into now in real time is that I'm not the one who said these things it was historians and experts.
This is why you've completely abandoned the actual subject and for some reason you're trying to project your own sex offender status onto me because I don't agree with you...
lol...
none of which you can cite or name
you know they are out there though these experts that agree with your point
pretty unconvincing as a debate strategy i must say
’theres an expert out there that no doubt agrees with me — end of debate’
i mean 17000k posts on LRC in 3 years and your mental state should be investigated
More than that, he has another handle too. There would probably be more posts if he wasn't banned for a significant amount of those 3 years.Surely there are better uses of time.
a scholar of economic history he is? since this was the last expertise youre trying to represent here
"The First (World) War explains the second and, in fact, caused it, in so far as one event causes another. The link between the two wars went deeper. Germany fought specifically in the Second War to reverse the verdict of the first and to destroy the settlement that followed it." - AJP Taylor, "Origins of the Second World War"
you know they are out there though these experts that agree with your point
pretty unconvincing as a debate strategy i must say
’theres an expert out there that no doubt agrees with me — end of debate’
i mean 17000k posts on LRC in 3 years and your mental state should be investigated
More than that, he has another handle too. There would probably be more posts if he wasn't banned for a significant amount of those 3 years.Surely there are better uses of time.
"The First (World) War explains the second and, in fact, caused it, in so far as one event causes another. The link between the two wars went deeper. Germany fought specifically in the Second War to reverse the verdict of the first and to destroy the settlement that followed it." - AJP Taylor, "Origins of the Second World War"
AJP Taylor lol ffs mate
You've never heard of the guy before today and you're dismissing him...
Do you have any idea how stupid you look right now?