2025 California T&F Thread

superstriker wrote:

coachy wrote:

I'm not in the south but don't you have at-large standards to take care of this problem?

Division races to Masters Meet -- Going from this Saturday's division races to the following week's Southern Section ("SS") Master meet each of the 4 division winners plus the next 14 fastest runners across the 4 divisions advance to the masters meet for a total of 18 entries per event. At the SS Masters meet there are 2 races for all events up to 400 meters. At the SS Masters meet, for the 800m and longer races all 18 entries race in a single race. At this weekend's division races all races are run separately by division except for the 3200 where D1 and D4 run a combined race with distinct D1 and D4 winners. Same for a combined 3200 with D2 and D3. My understanding is that the 18 entries to the SS Masters meet is a new thing for 2025 -- I think it was previously 9?

Southern Section Masters Meet to California CIF State Meet -- Going from the SS Masters meet to the state meet, the top 6 finishers at the Masters meet advance to the State meet regardless as to finishing time. Should any runner outside the top 6 obtain the CIF statewide qualifying standard at the Masters Meet they too advance to the State Meet. I've listed the statewide standards below.

CA CIF statewide standards* -- must be hit at the masters meet
Boys
100m 10.59
4x100R 41.69
200m 21.44
4x400R 3:20.42
400m 48.35
HJ 6’6”
800m 1:53.64
PV 15’2”
1600m 4:12.98
LJ 22’11.25”
3200m 9:03.03
TJ 45’10.50”
110m H 14.45
SP 55’4.50”
300m H 38.68
Discus 175’5”

Girls
100m 11.84
4x100R 47.56
200m 24.48
4x400R 3:53.73
400m 55.95
HJ 5’6”
800m 2:12.54
PV 12’3”
1600m 4:52.17
LJ 18’3.50”
3200m 10:30.96
TJ 37’6”
100m H 14.37
SP 40’5.50”
300m H 43.78
Discus 135’7”

Minimum NUMBER OF COMPETITORS to the CIF State Meet by Section
Sections are allowed the following entries as per State Federated Council rule: (27 Total)
SS – 6; CS – 3; CCS – 3; LACS – 3; NCS – 3; SJS – 3; SDS – 3; NS – 1, OS – 1; SFS -1
For the 4x800 only, Sections are allowed, the following entries. 4x800 will be finals only:
SS – 4; CS – 2; CCS – 2; LACS – 2; NCS – 2; SJS – 2; SDS – 2; NS – 1, OS – 1; SFS -1

4x800 relay teams must meet minimum time standard at CIF Masters/Section Qualifying meet, Girls under 10:00.00, Boys under 8:14.00. Teams that do not achieve the minimum mark will not be able to compete in the CIF State Championship.

The Idiot Marathoner wrote:

superstriker wrote:

Division races to Masters Meet -- Going from this Saturday's division races to the following week's Southern Section ("SS") Master meet each of the 4 division winners plus the next 14 fastest runners across the 4 divisions advance to the masters meet for a total of 18 entries per event. At the SS Masters meet there are 2 races for all events up to 400 meters. At the SS Masters meet, for the 800m and longer races all 18 entries race in a single race. At this weekend's division races all races are run separately by division except for the 3200 where D1 and D4 run a combined race with distinct D1 and D4 winners. Same for a combined 3200 with D2 and D3. My understanding is that the 18 entries to the SS Masters meet is a new thing for 2025 -- I think it was previously 9?

Southern Section Masters Meet to California CIF State Meet -- Going from the SS Masters meet to the state meet, the top 6 finishers at the Masters meet advance to the State meet regardless as to finishing time. Should any runner outside the top 6 obtain the CIF statewide qualifying standard at the Masters Meet they too advance to the State Meet. I've listed the statewide standards below.

CA CIF statewide standards* -- must be hit at the masters meet
Boys
100m 10.59
4x100R 41.69
200m 21.44
4x400R 3:20.42
400m 48.35
HJ 6’6”
800m 1:53.64
PV 15’2”
1600m 4:12.98
LJ 22’11.25”
3200m 9:03.03
TJ 45’10.50”
110m H 14.45
SP 55’4.50”
300m H 38.68
Discus 175’5”

Girls
100m 11.84
4x100R 47.56
200m 24.48
4x400R 3:53.73
400m 55.95
HJ 5’6”
800m 2:12.54
PV 12’3”
1600m 4:52.17
LJ 18’3.50”
3200m 10:30.96
TJ 37’6”
100m H 14.37
SP 40’5.50”
300m H 43.78
Discus 135’7”

Minimum NUMBER OF COMPETITORS to the CIF State Meet by Section
Sections are allowed the following entries as per State Federated Council rule: (27 Total)
SS – 6; CS – 3; CCS – 3; LACS – 3; NCS – 3; SJS – 3; SDS – 3; NS – 1, OS – 1; SFS -1
For the 4x800 only, Sections are allowed, the following entries. 4x800 will be finals only:
SS – 4; CS – 2; CCS – 2; LACS – 2; NCS – 2; SJS – 2; SDS – 2; NS – 1, OS – 1; SFS -1

4x800 relay teams must meet minimum time standard at CIF Masters/Section Qualifying meet, Girls under 10:00.00, Boys under 8:14.00. Teams that do not achieve the minimum mark will not be able to compete in the CIF State Championship.

Wait, so they've doubled the qualifiers from Souther Section Finals to Masters? The Finals to Masters qualification has always been the most brutal, but this seems like a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Am I correctly understanding that for the events run in lanes, you can only auto qualify (top 6) from the first heat? So second heat athletes HAVE to run the at large time to make it to State?

And they are going to run the 800m with EIGTHEEN kids?? That seems ludicrous to the point of dangerous. Heck even 18 kids in the 1600 that are that closely matched in ability is probably too many.

superstriker wrote:

The Idiot Marathoner wrote:

Wait, so they've doubled the qualifiers from Souther Section Finals to Masters? The Finals to Masters qualification has always been the most brutal, but this seems like a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Am I correctly understanding that for the events run in lanes, you can only auto qualify (top 6) from the first heat? So second heat athletes HAVE to run the at large time to make it to State?

And they are going to run the 800m with EIGTHEEN kids?? That seems ludicrous to the point of dangerous. Heck even 18 kids in the 1600 that are that closely matched in ability is probably too many.

You could have a fair point regarding a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Regarding your first heat/second heat comment, the way that I think about it is that they will advance the top runners regardless as to whether they come from the first or second heat. That being said, it is highly likely that more/most of the qualifiers will come from the heat with the runners in the heat with faster seed times.

Yes. The 800m will likely have 18 runners competing at the Masters meet.

Tyris19 wrote:

superstriker wrote:

You could have a fair point regarding a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Regarding your first heat/second heat comment, the way that I think about it is that they will advance the top runners regardless as to whether they come from the first or second heat. That being said, it is highly likely that more/most of the qualifiers will come from the heat with the runners in the heat with faster seed times.

Yes. The 800m will likely have 18 runners competing at the Masters meet.

I hate everything about this. 18 runners in the 800m is not okay. You are going to have trips and falls EVERYWHERE. Why can't we go back to lanes?? Why is that so hard?? We used to do it ~15 years ago. Whose brilliant idea was it to switch? Lazy meet officials who think they're doing the kids a favor by including more people in a short distance race?

superstriker wrote:

The Idiot Marathoner wrote:

Wait, so they've doubled the qualifiers from Souther Section Finals to Masters? The Finals to Masters qualification has always been the most brutal, but this seems like a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Am I correctly understanding that for the events run in lanes, you can only auto qualify (top 6) from the first heat? So second heat athletes HAVE to run the at large time to make it to State?

And they are going to run the 800m with EIGTHEEN kids?? That seems ludicrous to the point of dangerous. Heck even 18 kids in the 1600 that are that closely matched in ability is probably too many.

You could have a fair point regarding a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Regarding your first heat/second heat comment, the way that I think about it is that they will advance the top runners regardless as to whether they come from the first or second heat. That being said, it is highly likely that more/most of the qualifiers will come from the heat with the runners in the heat with faster seed times.

Yes. The 800m will likely have 18 runners competing at the Masters meet.

Tyris19 wrote:

superstriker wrote:

You could have a fair point regarding a solution that creates a bigger problem than the one it is attempting to solve.

Regarding your first heat/second heat comment, the way that I think about it is that they will advance the top runners regardless as to whether they come from the first or second heat. That being said, it is highly likely that more/most of the qualifiers will come from the heat with the runners in the heat with faster seed times.

Yes. The 800m will likely have 18 runners competing at the Masters meet.

I hate everything about this. 18 runners in the 800m is not okay. You are going to have trips and falls EVERYWHERE. Why can't we go back to lanes?? Why is that so hard?? We used to do it ~15 years ago. Whose brilliant idea was it to switch? Lazy meet officials who think they're doing the kids a favor by including more people in a short distance race?