Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
You can thank China for the Coronavirus.
Yeah, I know. When the market goes up, it's due to Trump making brilliant decisions, and when it goes down, it's someone else's fault. You are pathetic.
The market's down for one or two days and your knee jerk reaction is "Trump's fault!" What about for the last three years?
You lose.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Smorbun wrote:
Yeah, I know. When the market goes up, it's due to Trump making brilliant decisions, and when it goes down, it's someone else's fault. You are pathetic.
The market's down for one or two days and your knee jerk reaction is "Trump's fault!" What about for the last three years?
You lose.
No, I win because I am not a dumbasss like you.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
The market's down for one or two days and your knee jerk reaction is "Trump's fault!" What about for the last three years?
You lose.
No, I win because I am not a dumbasss like you.
Wash your mouth.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
The market's down for one or two days and your knee jerk reaction is "Trump's fault!" What about for the last three years?
You lose.
No, I win because I am not a dumbasss like you.
I do volunteer work with disadvantaged kids and they exhibit much more maturity than your sorry arse does. How does it feel to have 12-year-olds much more mature than you? Are you embarrassed? Are your parents devastated that you became a nobody loser?
Sally Vix wrote:
That is probably true. I would never come down to your basement while you are watching Star Trek and Star Wars reruns and playing with your friends Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah, won't ever enter your "man cave."
When I say something, it is true, not probably true. You would do well to listen to others because we are all smarter than you. Way smarter.
Sally, all 'decriminalizing' means is that they won't go through the criminal justice system before they are deported.
It's a way to save dollars. Why spend millions to prosecute if you are just tossing them out across the border?
It wasn't until Bush2 and Obama that any illegal immigrants were prosecuted.
Learn that.
Live that.
write that on a note.
Send yourself an email.
Not open borders.
Grow up.
"Even under the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, under which prosecutions shot up by about 40 percent, only a fraction of those who crossed the border illegally were prosecuted for doing so. The cases place a heavy administrative burden on federal judges, prosecutors and public defenders."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/us/border-crossing-decriminalization.html
Yosingleryx wrote:
I think there is a segment that will hold their nose and vote for Trump just because they feel the economy is good. Not a huge segment, but perhaps enough to swing some states. They don’t know or understand what impacts the economy, but know it hasn’t worsened for them under Trump.
While this is likely true, I have close relations who are fully aware that the foundations of the economy are weak, and who find DJT personally distasteful--but will nevertheless vote for him, if they vote for anybody (and they *will* vote, because they consider it a citizen's duty).
For this segment, abortion is make-or-break. We can argue with them all we want; they will never vote for a Democrat because of the issue. They sometimes try to defend Trump's record, but they know he's a liar, did wrong in Ukraine, and so on--they're not idiots. But they also know he seems to be "pro-life" and that all the Dems are not. That's enough for them.
agip wrote:
Sally, all 'decriminalizing' means is that they won't go through the criminal justice system before they are deported.
It's a way to save dollars. Why spend millions to prosecute if you are just tossing them out across the border?
It wasn't until Bush2 and Obama that any illegal immigrants were prosecuted.
Learn that.
Live that.
write that on a note.
Send yourself an email.
Not open borders.
Grow up.
"Even under the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, under which prosecutions shot up by about 40 percent, only a fraction of those who crossed the border illegally were prosecuted for doing so. The cases place a heavy administrative burden on federal judges, prosecutors and public defenders."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/us/border-crossing-decriminalization.html
You need to grow up and be honest, agip. When you say that Americans are against immigrants, that is an effing lie. Admit it. We are against ILLEGAL immigrants. Quit with the LIberal crap that we are against immigrants. If you can't admit that - i will never respond to you again. Have fun circling with your liberal bretheren. Will be lots of fun with Flagpole, Smorburn and the rest of the idiots.
Sally Vix wrote:
L L wrote:
Ways to address illegal immigration:
Crack down on companies like the Trump organization that make a habit of employing immigrants without papers and giving them fake paperwork.
Give a clear path to provide legal paperwork for immigrant workers to work that are needed.
Provide help to Central American countries where distressed people are fleeing from.
Walls and vilification of these people aren't helping.
I agree with pretty much all of that.
How can you agree with that, yet support Trump's view of immigration and smear the Democrats who largely address immigration the way I wrote it?
Trump employs illegal immigrants and his rhetoric has not been against these businesses.
Trump has done nothing to make them legal, including his revocation of DACA, who most people agree is a good policy.
Trump has defunded aid to Central America.
What he has done is incite xenophobic fear and hatred towards even natural born American citizens who look Hispanic.
The average American swing voter is not competing for any jobs with immigrants.
But some of them do hate seeing them in their every day lives. Those are the votes he is going after.
agip wrote:
Sally, all 'decriminalizing' means is that they won't go through the criminal justice system before they are deported.
It's a way to save dollars. Why spend millions to prosecute if you are just tossing them out across the border?
It wasn't until Bush2 and Obama that any illegal immigrants were prosecuted.
Learn that.
Live that.
write that on a note.
Send yourself an email.
Not open borders.
Grow up.
"Even under the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, under which prosecutions shot up by about 40 percent, only a fraction of those who crossed the border illegally were prosecuted for doing so. The cases place a heavy administrative burden on federal judges, prosecutors and public defenders."
And never mind that Trum released 375,000 illegals into the U.S. in 2019.
https://news.yahoo.com/u-released-375-000-illegal-145039255.htmlThe Dow dropped 3.56% today.
Yikes.
awetr wrote:
The Dow dropped 3.56% today.
Yikes.
And the Dow will go up 4% in the near future. Always does.
Smorbun wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
That is probably true. I would never come down to your basement while you are watching Star Trek and Star Wars reruns and playing with your friends Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah, won't ever enter your "man cave."
When I say something, it is true, not probably true. You would do well to listen to others because we are all smarter than you. Way smarter.
I was graduated with a 3.99 GPA. From a top school. Do you even know what past passive means? Because that is how you should phrase what I just wrote. Do you know anything?
The DOW will continue to slide until Sanders is elected president this November. It will see several 4% growth days after Trump is gone in mid Jan 2021.
Which candidate has knowingly employed the most illegal immigrant?
https://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/
https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fake-green-cards-trump-773721/
Trump was in a position of power to put Americans first and he choose not to, it’s all BS, a dog whistle to his followers who aren’t paying attention.
Yeah, about that... wrote:
While this is likely true, I have close relations who are fully aware that the foundations of the economy are weak, and who find DJT personally distasteful--but will nevertheless vote for him, if they vote for anybody (and they *will* vote, because they consider it a citizen's duty).
For this segment, abortion is make-or-break. We can argue with them all we want; they will never vote for a Democrat because of the issue. They sometimes try to defend Trump's record, but they know he's a liar, did wrong in Ukraine, and so on--they're not idiots. But they also know he seems to be "pro-life" and that all the Dems are not. That's enough for them.
I might add that these folks are religious, but they have been presented with, and accepted, these facts:
--there is no "moment" of conception;
--the Bible and "G-d" not only are not against abortion, but actually provide an alleged formula to cause it (and mandate the formula's use in certain situations);
--when Roe was first handed down, many religious institutions and figures, including a former president of the Southern Baptist Conference, thought it was fine.
They do understand all that--again, they're not idiots--but they personally consider abortion to be murder and will vote for someone who's installing the judges that they think/hope will end the practice. For them, and I suspect millions of others, this one issue supersedes all the rest.
agip wrote:
Sally, all 'decriminalizing' means is that they won't go through the criminal justice system before they are deported.
It's a way to save dollars. Why spend millions to prosecute if you are just tossing them out across the border?
It wasn't until Bush2 and Obama that any illegal immigrants were prosecuted.
. . .
"Even under the Trump administration’s 'zero tolerance' policy, under which prosecutions shot up by about 40 percent, only a fraction of those who crossed the border illegally were prosecuted for doing so. The cases place a heavy administrative burden on federal judges, prosecutors and public defenders."
Legal, illegal: irrelevant to tens of millions of Americans who are against immigration, period. Yes, they are particularly offended when those immigrants are of the brown persuasion and speak languages that the typical American doesn't understand, but they're really against all of them.
FWIW I found this article very nuanced, evenhanded, fact-based, and informative--in other words, it should piss off just about everybody:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/Rigged by Trump wrote:
The DOW will continue to slide until Sanders is elected president this November. It will see several 4% growth days after Trump is gone in mid Jan 2021.
A Flagpolian prognostication. We all know how that will end up.