Sally Vix wrote:
Yosinglerxy wrote:
Stop watching Fox. There was NOT ample evidence.
It was a case of Trump being Trump.
I quit watching Fox 5 or 6 years ago. I almost exclusively watch MSNBC now.
You keep surpassing your prior day’s level of stupidity.. very hard to do
Trollminator wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
Nope, I think it's stupid and infantile and doesn't address what's important.
Similarly, making fun of his girth is silly.
As is riffing on someone's name (really?). Nicknames are childish.
Trump made it ok. He doesn’t get to mock people and not get mocked back just because he’s POTUS. He’s straight out of a dumpster and deserves getting called out every single day for his horrendous personality and horrendous looks to go with it. He doesn’t respect anyone besides dictators so no one should respect him. He has no respect for the law, for patriots, war heroes, for disabled people, no one.... I will continue to call him every vile name in the book but he deserves much worse than that.
No matter the reason, your actions are low class.
Yosingler wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
If you are worried about women in the suburbs then those three are winning issues. Our suburbs are filled with women and their families who are uninsured or under-insured. Look it up. The suburbs are suffering.
And there is no denying the growing momentum of the green movement. These suburban women care about the future of their children and they will vote to protect that future from those who heartlessly profit at the expense of our children and grandchildren.
If Bernie is the nominee then Bernie's stance on the environment will be juxtaposed with Tiny's filthy coal obsession. It will be a huge winning issue for Democrats because we can talk about a clean healthy future. Republicans can not.
Green New Deal and fracking are not near top of mind for female suburbanites.
Environmental issues definitely are at the top of mind. Look at recent polls. This is catching fire very fast.
Racket wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
If you are worried about women in the suburbs then those three are winning issues. Our suburbs are filled with women and their families who are uninsured or under-insured. Look it up. The suburbs are suffering.
And there is no denying the growing momentum of the green movement. These suburban women care about the future of their children and they will vote to protect that future from those who heartlessly profit at the expense of our children and grandchildren.
If Bernie is the nominee then Bernie's stance on the environment will be juxtaposed with Tiny's filthy coal obsession. It will be a huge winning issue for Democrats because we can talk about a clean healthy future. Republicans can not.
Well first of all : LOL
Second of all, this is assuming that a significant proportion of people generally vote on issues and not on the party line. Research (and the 2016 election) suggests otherwise.
Besides, most companies are/will soon go green. It's all the rage and quite trendy for Millennials, and most companies see the writing on the wall anyways. There's a reason every major car company is trying to get in on EVs. Tesla's valuation alone is evidence that even Wall Street knows what's up and they're the last ones to ever change anything.
Well first of all: I'm glad you agree with me. I've said here may times that this election is a binary choice for or against the president and it's really not about issues.
But to the extent that agip is worried about turning off suburban women because of Bernie's environmental stance, he needn't worry at all. I'm glad you agree with that as well.
Yosinglerxy wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Trump made it ok. He doesn’t get to mock people and not get mocked back just because he’s POTUS. He’s straight out of a dumpster and deserves getting called out every single day for his horrendous personality and horrendous looks to go with it. He doesn’t respect anyone besides dictators so no one should respect him. He has no respect for the law, for patriots, war heroes, for disabled people, no one.... I will continue to call him every vile name in the book but he deserves much worse than that.
No matter the reason, your actions are low class.
So what your feeling about a president doing that? Should our president be expected to act with as much class and dignity as a lets run poster? Or is that setting the bar too high for him?
agip wrote:
Racket wrote:
Well first of all : LOL
Second of all, this is assuming that a significant proportion of people generally vote on issues and not on the party line. Research (and the 2016 election) suggests otherwise.
Besides, most companies are/will soon go green. It's all the rage and quite trendy for Millennials, and most companies see the writing on the wall anyways. There's a reason every major car company is trying to get in on EVs. Tesla's valuation alone is evidence that even Wall Street knows what's up and they're the last ones to ever change anything.
I generally agree that green issues are going to blindside the Rs. They really don't believe people give a carp. But increasingly people do.
So ok, yeah, agreed.
BUT
The D green message will be swamped by kulturwar issues like transgender issues, gay rights, PC talk, campus politics...moms in the suburbs will shrug and say 'yeah I want a greener USA but that's in the future. RIGHT NOW I don't want my kid learning this crazy version of society from Dems in school. We'll deal with coal later.'
That's part of the appeal of Bberg. He doesn't seem to play in the crazy D culture sandbox. They think he might be normal.
I hope you are wrong, but if you are right then the human race is doomed. We've already been putting off climate action for more than 30 years.
Every year we wait makes it that much harder to fix. If we had started 30 years ago then it would all be relatively painless, just like the fix for ozone layer.
But now our backs are up against the wall and only radical change will stop catastrophe.
I know republicans hate this comparison. But Nazi Germany started out as a democracy.
Hitler was extremely popular with the masses. They simply looked the other way as he committed one atrocity after another. Even before that how he gradually gained control of the government, courts and media.
No government or country is immune to losing their way. Great civilizations have dissolved into something much less.
Conundrum wrote:
I know republicans hate this comparison. But Nazi Germany started out as a democracy.
Hitler was extremely popular with the masses. They simply looked the other way as he committed one atrocity after another. Even before that how he gradually gained control of the government, courts and media.
No government or country is immune to losing their way. Great civilizations have dissolved into something much less.
Condundrum - have you seen how the Democratic party has lowered itself to? If you don't support late-term abortion - you are ostracized. Bernie, Pete, Warren are all for infanticide. Can you agree that this is very sick? AS bad as the Repubs might be- they don't advocate sticking forks into the brains of babies who survive botched abortions. I hope you can agree that killing viable babies is bad. REALLY REALLY BAD.
Conundrum wrote:
Yosinglerxy wrote:
No matter the reason, your actions are low class.
So what your feeling about a president doing that? Should our president be expected to act with as much class and dignity as a lets run poster? Or is that setting the bar too high for him?
My feeling is that both are low class.
What say you?
Conundrum wrote:
I know republicans hate this comparison. But Nazi Germany started out as a democracy.
Hitler was extremely popular with the masses. They simply looked the other way as he committed one atrocity after another. Even before that how he gradually gained control of the government, courts and media.
No government or country is immune to losing their way. Great civilizations have dissolved into something much less.
Sigh.
Sally Vix wrote:
Smorbun wrote:
Mueller did not say there was no cheating.
Trump committed a felony when he cheated with the campaign finance law violations.
Trump cheated by publicly asking Russia to help find Hillary's e-mails.
Trump cheated again this time around by asking Ukraine and China to investigate Biden.
The bulk of your post is BS spin or actually probably just not understanding on your part because you are ridiculously stupid. Also, you said you would not respond to me anymore. This thread is beyond you. Go away.
Will address just one, the one about Trump cheated by asking for Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. Trump is the Chief Law Enforcement officer of the US. There was ample evidence that the Bidens were engaged in corruption. Fully within Trump's authority as Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the country to get to the bottom of likely corruption.
Not true. Cheating. Violation of campaign finance laws. Abuse of power. You like cheaters. You are stupid. This thread is beyond your abilities. Go away.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
Sure, because making fun of the man's stature is *definitely* better than responding to his ideas.
Disclaimers:
1) I am 6-2.
2) I have never checked the Dem box for any office, in any election.
As long as the LR libs continue calling Trump "orange man", that is okay with you.
But Trump IS orange. He even said so. Maybe you are colorblind. Bloomberg is not as short as Hervé Villechaize. Once again, Republicans are all about unfounded insults and misrepresentation of the truth. You are the stupidest person here, but you are also a bad person. If hell is real, you are headed there.
Sally Vix wrote:
I almost exclusively watch MSNBC now.
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. --- Joseph Goebbels
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
I generally agree that green issues are going to blindside the Rs. They really don't believe people give a carp. But increasingly people do.
So ok, yeah, agreed.
BUT
The D green message will be swamped by kulturwar issues like transgender issues, gay rights, PC talk, campus politics...moms in the suburbs will shrug and say 'yeah I want a greener USA but that's in the future. RIGHT NOW I don't want my kid learning this crazy version of society from Dems in school. We'll deal with coal later.'
That's part of the appeal of Bberg. He doesn't seem to play in the crazy D culture sandbox. They think he might be normal.
I hope you are wrong, but if you are right then the human race is doomed. We've already been putting off climate action for more than 30 years.
Every year we wait makes it that much harder to fix. If we had started 30 years ago then it would all be relatively painless, just like the fix for ozone layer.
But now our backs are up against the wall and only radical change will stop catastrophe.
honestly, I think you are exaggerating the threat of climate change. A very bad case would have much coastal land go under water. Massive migration would result. That isn't the apocalypse.
Welp, after a couple of recent mini-peaks (he was actually flirting with 44% approval), it appears that DJT is on the way back down--and his disapproval ratings are heading up.
The battle lines mostly seem to be drawn, though. Absent a (quite unlikely) stock-market crash or other clear recession signal, I seriously doubt the President will go below 40%, or above 44%. As others have observed, the only question is whose supporters will actually go to the polls and vote.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I hope you are wrong, but if you are right then the human race is doomed. We've already been putting off climate action for more than 30 years.
Every year we wait makes it that much harder to fix. If we had started 30 years ago then it would all be relatively painless, just like the fix for ozone layer.
But now our backs are up against the wall and only radical change will stop catastrophe.
honestly, I think you are exaggerating the threat of climate change. A very bad case would have much coastal land go under water. Massive migration would result. That isn't the apocalypse.
Awwww. A Climate Change Denier. How cute.
agip wrote:
honestly, I think you are exaggerating the threat of climate change. A very bad case would have much coastal land go under water. Massive migration would result. That isn't the apocalypse.
You know I was just thinking this thread needed another back and forth over climate change.
Instead of that useless pursuit, let's try a different angle :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/276932/several-issues-tie-important-2020-election.aspxAccording to that Gallup poll, climate change is 7th overall and 1st among Democrats. It will potentially (perhaps, likely) be a deciding factor in the primaries but the overall narrative is that it won't matter in the election in November. I would bet that Democrats will vote Democrat even if by some miracle Trump ends up putting out a better climate change policy.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I hope you are wrong, but if you are right then the human race is doomed. We've already been putting off climate action for more than 30 years.
Every year we wait makes it that much harder to fix. If we had started 30 years ago then it would all be relatively painless, just like the fix for ozone layer.
But now our backs are up against the wall and only radical change will stop catastrophe.
honestly, I think you are exaggerating the threat of climate change. A very bad case would have much coastal land go under water. Massive migration would result. That isn't the apocalypse.
You need to read up on this. Sea level rise gets a lot of press because it's easy to understand. But as bad as sea level rise will be, it is the least of our worries.
I will warn you though. If you do read the science on the full effects of global warming you'll have trouble sleeping at night.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
honestly, I think you are exaggerating the threat of climate change. A very bad case would have much coastal land go under water. Massive migration would result. That isn't the apocalypse.
You need to read up on this. Sea level rise gets a lot of press because it's easy to understand. But as bad as sea level rise will be, it is the least of our worries.
I will warn you though. If you do read the science on the full effects of global warming you'll have trouble sleeping at night.
Thanks agip, I hope you're happy
