Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

single wing wrote:

This is a tautology.

You don't know how to use that word. Hint: It does not apply to something you do not like that upsets you.

We should all recognize that Sanders in NH did *not* bring in the youth vote. It didn't happen.

And sanders lost a lot of voters from 2016.

So I think much of the argument for sanders is unproven so far. He may in fact not get youths to vote. Which would leave us with just his alienating the suburbs and indies.

Or NH is an anomaly. We'll see.

agip wrote:

We should all recognize that Sanders in NH did *not* bring in the youth vote. It didn't happen.

And sanders lost a lot of voters from 2016.

So I think much of the argument for sanders is unproven so far. He may in fact not get youths to vote. Which would leave us with just his alienating the suburbs and indies.

Or NH is an anomaly. We'll see.

In my opinion, Amy Klobachar "won" the NH primary. I would have thought NH would be Bernie's best performing state (aside from Vermont) and he seemed to grossly under-perform.

agip wrote:

We should all recognize that Sanders in NH did *not* bring in the youth vote. It didn't happen.

And sanders lost a lot of voters from 2016.

So I think much of the argument for sanders is unproven so far. He may in fact not get youths to vote. Which would leave us with just his alienating the suburbs and indies.

Or NH is an anomaly. We'll see.

NH has the Maine problem. An aging population that is losing young people. Few people are moving in to that area of the country.

agip wrote:

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1227432887307440128?s=20

That's the most important set of numbers, and the most terrifying to most Dems.

The primary system is failing so far...it is choosing the hard left candidate even though the hard left is a small portion of the Dem party.

Part of this is that primaries attract extremists and part is that the moderate vote is split many ways.

I have no idea how this is going to resolve any better than now...BBerg is going to be on the ballot soon and that will split things yet another way.

Bernie has lost a lot of support from 2016 but since he is essentially the last lefty standing, he wins.

Truly the US has an awful voting scheme.

Very interesting and I think telling data.

Yes, I don’t think we can flip Arkansas.

Many of you are completely missing the point that both the right & center couldn’t care less about people.

Exhibit A: the impeachment. How people benefit from a dictator is beyond me. Where were the “conservatives” & “moderates?”

Plenty of billionaires do benefit from trump.

agip wrote:

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1227432887307440128?s=20

That's the most important set of numbers, and the most terrifying to most Dems.

The primary system is failing so far...it is choosing the hard left candidate even though the hard left is a small portion of the Dem party.

Part of this is that primaries attract extremists and part is that the moderate vote is split many ways.

I have no idea how this is going to resolve any better than now...BBerg is going to be on the ballot soon and that will split things yet another way.

Bernie has lost a lot of support from 2016 but since he is essentially the last lefty standing, he wins.

Truly the US has an awful voting scheme.

Why are are grand judgments being made when we have only seen results from two small states that are homogeneous and statistically not very meaningful?

Actually a brokered convention could he a great thing.

Ciro wrote:

agip wrote:

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1227432887307440128?s=20

That's the most important set of numbers, and the most terrifying to most Dems.

The primary system is failing so far...it is choosing the hard left candidate even though the hard left is a small portion of the Dem party.

Part of this is that primaries attract extremists and part is that the moderate vote is split many ways.

I have no idea how this is going to resolve any better than now...BBerg is going to be on the ballot soon and that will split things yet another way.

Bernie has lost a lot of support from 2016 but since he is essentially the last lefty standing, he wins.

Truly the US has an awful voting scheme.

Very interesting and I think telling data.

Not very interesting IMO because we are just placing those candidates into buckets when many voters are looking at specific policies or likability factors... look at Pete, he's doing well because he's finally getting name recognition. He spent a LOT of time and money in Iowa and got good results.

Here's another point, 3 people can't be on the same ticket (referring to the sum of the moderates), and IMO it shouldn't be an all or nothing situation. If Bernie takes it, he better be putting differences aside and looking for a solid VP like Amy. Populism still rules the day and it's going to be all about perceived momentum, likability and headline grabbing.

Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

We should all recognize that Sanders in NH did *not* bring in the youth vote. It didn't happen.

And sanders lost a lot of voters from 2016.

So I think much of the argument for sanders is unproven so far. He may in fact not get youths to vote. Which would leave us with just his alienating the suburbs and indies.

Or NH is an anomaly. We'll see.

In my opinion, Amy Klobachar "won" the NH primary. I would have thought NH would be Bernie's best performing state (aside from Vermont) and he seemed to grossly under-perform.

The only serious first test for Sanders is south carolina. If he pulls that off then it's a real movement and trump will have his hands full.

jesseriley wrote:

Yes, I don’t think we can flip Arkansas.

Many of you are completely missing the point that both the right & center couldn’t care less about people.

Exhibit A: the impeachment. How people benefit from a dictator is beyond me. Where were the “conservatives” & “moderates?”

Plenty of billionaires do benefit from trump.

And the Bernie or bust crowd couldn’t care less about child in cages, the rule of law, dreamers and their families, victims of the the Muslim ban or who controls the Supreme Court.

No I get it, if you don’t get absolutely every single thing you want, stamp your feet and let Trump and Stephen Miller have absolutely everything they want. That will end well.

Ciro wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

Agree, “bernie or bust” isn’t real.

Meanwhile “trump or bust” is destroying us.

It is real, only 53% of Bernie backers will vote to whoever the Dems nominate against Trump.

From talking with you I bet you’ll get out and vote if Sanders is on the ballot but won’t bother for another candidate because Arkansas is solidly red anyway.

http://emersonpolling.com/2020/01/24/national-2020-biden-and-sanders-battle-in-two-way-race-for-democratic-nomination/

I think that's an exaggeration about Bernie supporters. This is not 2016. However, neglecting the interests of those die hard supporters would be a serious mistake.

Well made points also Trollminator.

Trollminator wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Very interesting and I think telling data.

Not very interesting IMO because we are just placing those candidates into buckets when many voters are looking at specific policies or likability factors... look at Pete, he's doing well because he's finally getting name recognition. He spent a LOT of time and money in Iowa and got good results.

Here's another point, 3 people can't be on the same ticket (referring to the sum of the moderates), and IMO it shouldn't be an all or nothing situation. If Bernie takes it, he better be putting differences aside and looking for a solid VP like Amy. Populism still rules the day and it's going to be all about perceived momentum, likability and headline grabbing.

agreed of course that likeability and other issues make policy just one consideration. Many of those moderate voters would go to bernie should their #1 candidate drop out.

but

as for Bernie moving to the middle...nothing he has ever done would suggest to me that he would move to the middle. He'd rather just sit alone in the senate than go, you know, legislate. He hasn't changed his views in 50 years. Except on guns I guess. So i don't see him choosing a centrist for veep. He'd pick a lefty person of color I'm sure.

Trollminator wrote:

Ciro wrote:

It is real, only 53% of Bernie backers will vote to whoever the Dems nominate against Trump.

From talking with you I bet you’ll get out and vote if Sanders is on the ballot but won’t bother for another candidate because Arkansas is solidly red anyway.

http://emersonpolling.com/2020/01/24/national-2020-biden-and-sanders-battle-in-two-way-race-for-democratic-nomination/

I think that's an exaggeration about Bernie supporters. This is not 2016. However, neglecting the interests of those die hard supporters would be a serious mistake.

The data in the article is from January of THIS year nothing to do with 2016.

Trollminator wrote:

Racket wrote:

In my opinion, Amy Klobachar "won" the NH primary. I would have thought NH would be Bernie's best performing state (aside from Vermont) and he seemed to grossly under-perform.

The only serious first test for Sanders is south carolina. If he pulls that off then it's a real movement and trump will have his hands full.

Yeah lol that's one way to describe it I guess. Better start prepping your friends now with Iran-SWP-Bernie snopes articles

agip wrote:

Bernie is a suicide pact.

Gallup:

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- More than nine in 10 Americans say they would vote for a presidential candidate nominated by their party who happened to be black, Catholic, Hispanic, Jewish or a woman. Such willingness drops to eight in 10 for candidates who are evangelical Christians or are gays or lesbians. Between six and seven in 10 would vote for someone who is under 40 years of age, over 70, a Muslim or an atheist.

Just one group tested -- socialists -- receives majority opposition. Less than half of Americans, 45%, say they would vote for a socialist for president, while 53% say they would not.

Yet it seems if Bernie can maximize that turnout he might have just as good a chance to beat trump as Biden. We need to acknowledge that Dems have a problem inviting change. I'm not saying they must change, I'm saying there is a serious problem of perception that they want to prevent Bernie from winning. I say if there is a strong current, swim with it, not against it. I'll take any functioning adult.

+1

Trollminator wrote:

Ciro wrote:

It is real, only 53% of Bernie backers will vote to whoever the Dems nominate against Trump.

From talking with you I bet you’ll get out and vote if Sanders is on the ballot but won’t bother for another candidate because Arkansas is solidly red anyway.

http://emersonpolling.com/2020/01/24/national-2020-biden-and-sanders-battle-in-two-way-race-for-democratic-nomination/

I think that's an exaggeration about Bernie supporters. This is not 2016. However, neglecting the interests of those die hard supporters would be a serious mistake.

That 53% number doesn't make sense. On a political football field Bernie is around the 20 yard line. Why would his supporters run over 30 yards downfield and vote for Trump. Anyone that supports Bernie is going to have an intense hatred for Trump and is not likely to vote for an independent.