truth b told2 wrote:
HRC tragic flaw was that HRC made a horrible candidate. She just didn't have the likability factor.
^ Standard fake Trump/Russian talking post. Next Up are:
Biden: A horrible candidate. Much too old.
Bernie: A horrible candidate. Dangerous socialist.
Waren. : A horrible candidate. Fake Pocahontas.
Buttigieg: A horrible candidate. Homo sex in the White House?
agip wrote:
L L wrote:
Point taken.
This is like chatting with a group of people at someone's house.
I don't have issues with any point you are making. We happen to differ on politics at some level and would like different candidates.
We both don't want Trump re-elected. And we both would prefer that Bernie not get the Democrat nomination, but for different reasons.
what are your reasons?
RIP my TL but Bernie Sanders is Trump Reelection Insurance.
"The solution to Trumpism is a crusty 80 year old professor of socialist poetry from Bennington Community College," said no one, ever.
Why not just declare the Sanders- Gabbard ticket now and bring the doom early?
U fvckin liar! U never voted hrc. Bernie is a senator dipshi+.
‘Pubs in Arizona guilty of minority voter suppression of 37% of voters!
You don't want Bernie because he is too far left.
I don't want Bernie because he is too old.
Now, I did say that I prefer Biden over Bernie and they are about the same age. And I like Bernie's policies better.
I believe that it would be good if we had a single payer healthcare system at some point.
But I am a realist in what it would take to get there and that there would always be a private insurance option. I just have always seen Bernie as more of an activist to get people talking about progressive ideals. And he has been very successful at that.
I don't know how pragmatic he would be acting in the top spot.
I simply see Biden fitting that role better than Bernie, as you do.
This is why Elizabeth Warren fits my ideal best among the candidates.
I think being 7-8 years younger than them is a big plus.
I think she displays passion and will passionately pursue the progressive policies that I like.
And I think she would be more practical than Bernie with the eventual compromises that would be needed to pass something, as Obama was.
As a campaigner, she has shot herself in the foot at least three times, though.
1- She should never had let Trump bait her into even discussing her Native American background on old applications and taken that dumb DNA test.
2- She has tried to give too many details on her plans and people go over that with a microscope and nitpick things that may have issues. Being vague, unfortunately is a better campaign strategy.
3- Talking about a private conversation where Bernie allegedly said a woman couldn't get elected or it would be harder or whatever was not good. That made her look bitchy.
I do think she is electable. If she gets the nod, the campaign and march to November changes and people would love to see her as the one to beat Trump. People really, really, really want to see Trump lose. And losing to a woman would be that much sweeter.
And mostly, I see her doing well in the position as head of state.
She'd be more likely to get that public option passed because moderates would see that as a win against her Medicare for all.
Likability wrote:
truth b told2 wrote:
HRC tragic flaw was that HRC made a horrible candidate. She just didn't have the likability factor.
^ Standard fake Trump/Russian talking post. Next Up are:
Biden: A horrible candidate. Much too old.
Bernie: A horrible candidate. Dangerous socialist.
Waren. : A horrible candidate. Fake Pocahontas.
Buttigieg: A horrible candidate. Homo sex in the White House?
I'm surprised your post didn't get deleted, but If you're worried about homo sex in the WH there is no way you were ever going to vote for a Democrat, so it doesn't matter what you think.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Likability wrote:
^ Standard fake Trump/Russian talking post. Next Up are:
Biden: A horrible candidate. Much too old.
Bernie: A horrible candidate. Dangerous socialist.
Waren. : A horrible candidate. Fake Pocahontas.
Buttigieg: A horrible candidate. Homo sex in the White House?
I'm surprised your post didn't get deleted, but If you're worried about homo sex in the WH there is no way you were ever going to vote for a Democrat, so it doesn't matter what you think.
You missed the point entirely. Those are talking points intended to get a certain population group to vote for TRUMP. It is about what THEY thing. And what SCARES them. And you would be foolish to think Trump won't use those mentioned scare tactics during his campaign. He has already used three of those four. He will cross-the-"homo"-line with Pete if he is the candidate.
FYI: I have voted mostly Democrat. This year it is 100% democrat across the board.
Greg wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trump will be acquitted.
Trump will be reelected.
Your "game over" scenario will never happen.
You lose.
Wrong.
Delusional.
Fat hurts wrote:
I'm starting to think there is a sliver of a chance that Tiny will be removed.
We don't know everything that Bolton knows. It's quite possible that Bolton could shed light on other crimes. And it's VERY possible that those other crimes exist.
Ha. You're delusional as well.
Fat hurts wrote:
1100 wrote:
You like to see our elected officials lying? That is very strange.
I said, "at least". That means hopefully, some are sincere.
No, it really doesn't. Unless you have your own special brand of English.
And even if some are sincere, (which I do not doubt that some are), that really has nothing to do with wanting the others to lie. Which remains very strange.
Likability wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I'm surprised your post didn't get deleted, but If you're worried about homo sex in the WH there is no way you were ever going to vote for a Democrat, so it doesn't matter what you think.
You missed the point entirely. Those are talking points intended to get a certain population group to vote for TRUMP. It is about what THEY thing. And what SCARES them. And you would be foolish to think Trump won't use those mentioned scare tactics during his campaign. He has already used three of those four. He will cross-the-"homo"-line with Pete if he is the candidate.
FYI: I have voted mostly Democrat. This year it is 100% democrat across the board.
Maybe. I'd say that Trump's base is already fired up. Those basta*d Democrats spending three years trying to undo the election against the GOAT president, is a good story for him. Giving off a whiff of homophobia could backfire on him.
L L wrote:
The Irishman wrote:
So unless it’s your pax at brand of liberalism it’s Republican propaganda?
Remarkably ignorant comment.
And while maybe we can do do so much better than Biden we can certainly A LOT and have Trump serving a second term, a term when he can likely appoint RBG replacement to the Supreme Court. A Trump who doesn’t need to worry about re-election or how many children he puts in cages.
I gave push back to Agip's anti-progressive candidate comment: "asking them to vote to raise their taxes and outlaw their health insurance and welcome in all the woke PC issues the Dem left represents"
If Warren or Sanders becomes the nominee, a comment like that will exactly be a Republican talking point.
And those comments will be used to re-elect Trump.
So I advise people that prefer a certain Democrat nominee, to do so by explaining the virtues of their candidate, not by tearing down a Democrat opposition who may wind up being the nominee.
I have an issue with Biden being old. That's not a revelation that would change things.
I'm liberal but would prefer Biden over Bernie, who is even older.
But if Bernie happens to get the nomination we have to rally around him and not sulk because you wanted someone else.
And that really goes double for Bernie fans, who do seem a little cult-like, and I fear may disrupt the convention if he lost as a close second.
Fair comments and I agree with you. I may have taken what you said out of context.
Best wishes.
agip wrote:
Good piece on why nominating bernie is suicide.
it cites the failure of hard left candidates in 2018 vs. the huge success of moderate dems
the massive failure of Corbyn in the UK
The fact that people are quite pleased with the economy so running against it is foolish
The fact that no serious right winger has ever run against Bernie so he is compeltely untested. bernie's palling around with actual communists and his long role as apologist for genocidal communist nations will be an ah talking point. It never has been, and Biden won't do it.
bernie is a deathwish for the Dem party. I'll keep saying that. The primary system is f'd up and rewards extremists beause they show up and the moderates don't But in the general that changes. It's our role as politically aware people to push back against the failings of the primary system and vote in the primary for the guy who will most likely win in November.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html
You know this, I know this and Trumps team damn well know this also.
Wake up Democrat’s, pay attention. Don’t forget Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania are the key to who wins the election.
The Irishman wrote:
agip wrote:
Good piece on why nominating bernie is suicide.
it cites the failure of hard left candidates in 2018 vs. the huge success of moderate dems
the massive failure of Corbyn in the UK
The fact that people are quite pleased with the economy so running against it is foolish
The fact that no serious right winger has ever run against Bernie so he is compeltely untested. bernie's palling around with actual communists and his long role as apologist for genocidal communist nations will be an ah talking point. It never has been, and Biden won't do it.
bernie is a deathwish for the Dem party. I'll keep saying that. The primary system is f'd up and rewards extremists beause they show up and the moderates don't But in the general that changes. It's our role as politically aware people to push back against the failings of the primary system and vote in the primary for the guy who will most likely win in November.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.htmlYou know this, I know this and Trumps team damn well know this also.
Wake up Democrat’s, pay attention. Don’t forget Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania are the key to who wins the election.
Funny that you fail to apostrophize "Trump's team" and apostrophize "Democrats" when it is instead a plural. Other errors too but I am disinclined to list them.
I’m disinclined to forget your errors:
-not paying taxes on your illegal rubles
-lying
-not making the cover of UltraRunning Magazine
-posting in Cyrillic so you’re targeted
etc!
I told you yesterday to go play with the traffic you tedious troll.
The Irishman wrote:
I told you yesterday to go play with the traffic you tedious troll.
I was hesitant to note your mistakes. Do you not know how to use apostrophes? Is English a second language?
Sally Vix wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Dersh never found the real killers after getting OJ acquitted. But it’s only been 30 years.
That was OJ scrambling around the Riviera Country Club (where the memberships are like $1 millon) looking for the likely dirt-poo rapscallions who murdered his wife and Ron.
I was hesitant to note your mistake. Do you not know how to spell million? Is English a second language?