Modifying the Norwegian approach to lower mileage

Thanks for this, I did some digging and found links for three shoes:

Do-win pb pro: https://m.mulebuy.com/pages/product/product?id=895132364739&shoptype=TAOBAO

Li-ning feidan challenger 5

https://m.mulebuy.com/pages/product/product?id=870211473802&shoptype=TAOBAO

Li-ning red hare 8 pro

https://m.mulebuy.com/pages/product/product?id=973696858820&shoptype=TAOBAO

I took a gamble and bought all three, the initial cost breakdown was £98 for the do-win, £35 for the challenger and £30 for the red hare for £163 total, though I suspect I will have to pay more for the shipping charge once the agent receives the goods. Maybe I'll be able to use the new signup coupon at that stage.

If this works out, I'd have bought all three for half the price I spent on a puma fast r-3 that I had to order from Japan on ebay and pay import taxes to the UK lmao.

Just wish the Chinese market sold my size. The prices are amazing compared to west brands

Beyond me how you could risk your health and not wear organic locally grown Nikes. MACA!

You know, I don't even mind the shoe chat. I did at first, but just received my pair from china as curiosity got the better of me. And now I'm annoyed at myself I didn't get involved sooner. We really are getting ripped off, aren't we? But then you realise we aren't told as all the influencers out there have skin in the game promoting western brands. A bit like training programs and protecting bad coaching.

Basically what I've realised is sirpoc is here to help us. Not elites, not coaches, not influencers. That's why the thread is so popular. He's a regular guy looking out for us when it comes to just about anything due to running.

Most people by now would be shilling us products, which from what I am to understand he has turned down multiple times due to not wanting to deceive anyone after asking such companies if he can be honest, when clearly you can't. That is when you really realize Instagram, YouTube - all these guys, with their coaching nonsense, shoe reviews, it's all a load of BS.

This is maybe one of the last places left where you are getting honesty. Anyway, that's why I think this thread had made 400+ pages and will continue to grow. We have now sirpoc increasing volume and playing around with cross training to improve running. Who knows, in 6 months we might have the next step of where we can go at hobby level to reduce training risk even further.

I really, really do hope though he doesn't do something stupid like give his book away? Some of the reviews from early copies in this thread from people I totally trust like chillruns are so glowing, he needs to price it sensibly and doesn't just give it away. I can't be the only one who would happily spend $20 on something like this.

Virgin shoetuber accepting every little piece of cheap tat on offer in return for being forced at gunpoint to glaze it for 60% of your video's run time.

Chad Sirpoc turning down a free Tymewear, spending his own money on it, and then slagging it off on every social media site available to him.

I recommend the Do-Win PB 4.0

https://mulebuy.com/product?id=901769577382&platform=TAOBAO

and the Do-Win Hexagon

https://mulebuy.com/product?id=844554326484&platform=TAOBAO

PB 4.0 is carbon fibre plate, Hexagon is a nylon plate.

The price is mind blowing!

This is spot on. It's also why we have had guys like Fitzgerald, Magness , even Bester to an extent getting their backs up in this thread, but it basically makes light of everything they do. You can basically have someone come in off the street in running terms and solve a lot of the problems hobby joggers have faced for years. The success of this thread and some of the long term stories of guys following it outside of even sirpoc, have made a mockery out of what s lot of people do.

Goodness knows how grifters like Kofuzi will lose their minds when they see this thread and realise sirpoc is inadvertently now converting a lot of us to another way of thinking with shoes and those guys are also exposed as shills.

The man even had to be pressured into writing a book and feels bad about having to charge for it, if you re-read his posts from a while back. Dude, you have done more than enough for a working man in the running game than just about anyone, ever. Even a $20 price tag would seem too cheap to me for all that's been done.

Btw, also got my AliExpress order. 124 euros for a pair of challengers and a pair of do-win pb 4. You have no idea how angry I am that I've been paying even more than that for just one pair of inferior western shoes. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels like a total idiot. Obviously you have the made in china issue unlike Nike and saucony.....oh wait a minute.........

I have to say this part to me sums it up. He also mentioned a while back on Strava he got offered a well known brands goods to run London marathon in, do pictures, posts, you know the usual drill and just told them their shoes were sh*t, so no thanks.

It would appear that Sirpoc is still experimenting with his training. This is one reason not to rush the book.

Lmao wait, is this mulebuy thing legit? We really have been getting ripped off for ages, and I say that as someone who exclusively buys models from ages ago. I’ll flip $40 at a challenger and take my chances—haven’t pulled the trigger on aliexpress, since I can't get it below $93 (still not bad, but I can I can get old shoes I already know for that), but this is worth a shot.

If you live in one of these countries you can get it even cheaper buying direct from taobao as you won't have to go through an agent and pay extra for their shippint charges:

Hong Kong, China

Macau, China

Taiwan

Malaysia

Singapore

USA

Canada

Australia

New Zealand

Japan

The book really is great!

It’s funny to think back over two years ago to the start of the thread and then read it all in such a comprehensive form but its even more than just the sum of the threads parts, which is what really impressed me

At this point i shouldn’t be surprised, but certainly impressed by how well this was put together and how undersold this will be as far as hype and lack of ego

You couldn’t have two ppl more alike than the benevolent dictator cult leader himself and Bakken — two ppl who are ‘old school’ in all the right ways and do it with humility and integrity in an age of shameless and shallow self promotion and, as others have pointed out, without the shadow backing of some marketing campaign

How do you get them for this price though. Paid 90 for the challengers. Do-win would be 187 euro

You seem to know sirpoc well, so I guess you can't say. But I'm curious if Bakken was the person sirpoc said reached out and meant the book was delayed a bit. Also shirtboy, as someone here from the start what you think of the book? I can only assume you have read it like some others who have already posted and were around early days. I have a feeling it could be a smash hit.

Being honest, between Bakken and sirpoc depending on if you are elite or hobby, they might have just about covered everything if you are looking for best value training with minimal risk. I know that's a big statement, but, I genuinely think it might be the case.

T E M U has red rabbits for $30 delivered in the USA - I think they are called red hares or something like that. I got mine and they appear to be legit with the same properties as the shoetubers noted (more padding in the rear than forefoot). They arent bad but I got a pair of adizero evo sl's for $110 (sale) the same week and like them a lot better.

I think the fact that Sirpoc has pretty much moved to mostly 3k and 5k reps (and a lot more of them) and a smattering of 1k sessions and dropped the 1600m altogether says that he at least is still experimenting with the method. I'm NOT going to be doing 3x5k or 4x3k haha or cross training - but I have been doing a 'mixed' session of a 1k thresh 'warmup' followed by 1x3k and 1x5k that is seems to be working very well for me. After having done 5 months of mostly 1k and 2k reps I can see some pretty big improvements in doing the longer reps.

Be very careful with Chinese shoes. They use fake material and they are not designed properly to support running like western brands, who care about your wellbeing. Don't want to be a party pooper but just a warning that you pay for what you get. In no way a $50 shoe gonna match up to a $150 in the protection it provides. You have been warned!!

With all due respect, if sirpoc says they are good that works for me. We had posts 2+ years ago saying if you trained like him, you'd go nowhere. Thank god I didn't listen to those "in the know" horror stories, or I wouldn't have set new PBs at every distance from 1500 to a marathon. I'm willing to stick my neck out and say if he speaks out publically about shoes, he's gonna be pretty sure he's right.

Also interested in this, especially as shirtboy has been one of the earliest and top contributors to the thread.

The guy is just always ahead of the curve. Being UK based and having rode some time trials, sirpoc is like an urban legend with a small group aeroheads as well. I don't think people quite realise just how crazy aerodynamic this guy was, self taught well over a decade ago before anyone even really cared. I spoke to someone who rode for his old club and he supposedly turned down offers financially from guys to aero upgrade them and just did it for free. Whether that is true or not, all adds to the legend.

Don't want to blow smoke up his rear end as he doesn't seem to like the attention (I don't know the guy on a personal level) but he probably has one of those really practical brains that just can problem solve, hence this whole thing has gotten to 400 pages, a book, a thriving Reddit community, 5k Strava users.

Add me to the list of wondering what shirtboy thinks if he's read a book draft. Also, wonder what happened to some of the old posters? Jiggy? Hard2find?. I'm more of a long time listener, I've maybe posted once before. Gone from 20:30 pb to 17:2x on this method in 18 months. Was running for 7.5 years previously, now in my late 30s. My running always sucked compared to my bike, even if I just did a year running as focus with token bike. Which I have done for over a year now and had the big breakthrough.

To round off my view on the Chinese shoes, I just went with what sirpoc said and got a pair of do-win PB 3 for £38 and a pair of challengers for £60 and for £98 + £7 postage I couldn't be happier. The pb 3 is nice foam, nice rocker, if not a little basic shoe. But super foam for £38. You can hardly complain! The challenger is probably worth double the price, if you consider it's probably faster than even the saucony Endorphin pro. I would probably say it even trumps the deviate nitro elite 3! Which in itself is an awesome shoe.