2:19 on 70-80 miles per week.

Prove it! wrote:

Below Average wrote:

What time do I need to run for you to consider it a poor performance? I’m really worried that I’m going to let you down!

My problem is with JS he is a fun fake. Do you realize that?

If Phil has enjoyed his training, has run a PR, feels in great shape and gets to the start line healthy that’s already a massive win from quite a radically different system - if he runs a great race (to be judged by him) then that’s a huge endorsement for this system.

Now I know that some of JS’s conduct on the forums has been questionable but it really might be that his system is fun and effective. Nothing wrong with that.

He gets a lot of nasty hate and in this thread he’s just trying to help a guy out.

Phil. Please run 2:19. I’d love to see the trolls implode.

Heck. Even without the outcome I’d be interested in being coached to my running goal.

Below Average wrote:

Prove it! wrote:

My problem is with JS he is a fun fake. Do you realize that?

I have about 100 real coaching emails from Jan. I’m not quite sure how he is a fake coach? Post a link to your Strava and recent race results or nothing you say is real!!

The man claims to be the next great coach, but not one, yes not one article off this site has his name as a reference; not a single one. I am not on here saying l am the next great one, but JS is; and is making claims that can't be verified and he knows it. So that is where the problem lies. I will officially apologize if you can find one credible article, not connected to this site that mentions his training as what he claims, and not his crappy site( it is terrible done). Doesn't that strike you as odd that you can't. Find me 1 article on Runner's World or any other site, that claims his training to be revolutionary as he claims. I can find a lot of other references to other coaches that have extremely different views.You don't find this odd??? Geez seriously! And his fraud is hurting people too, yea it might or might not work for you, we will see this weekend, but the whole idea he is using are all lies. Find me an article and post it on this form or STFU! One article from a reputable source that talks about this FN joke as a wizard. Look l personally wouldn't trust some calling themselves a wizard, unless it was followed by Of Ozz.

Below Average wrote:

Prove it! wrote:

My problem is with JS he is a fun fake. Do you realize that?

I have about 100 real coaching emails from Jan. I’m not quite sure how he is a fake coach? Post a link to your Strava and recent race results or nothing you say is real!!

Not saying he didn't send you workouts; find me the evidence showing the #2 man in the world asking him to coach him. JS claims that it was under the table now, or top secret, how convenient.

Prove it! wrote:

Below Average wrote:

What time do I need to run for you to consider it a poor performance? I’m really worried that I’m going to let you down!

My problem is with JS he is a fun fake. Do you realize that?

Why would anyone who has been coached by someone for months "realize" that his coach is a "fun fake," (whatever that is?) What's "fake" about what Phil's been doing, even if it doesn't get him the marathon result he wants? If you want to argue with what JS has him doing that's one thing but there's nothing fake going on.

And good luck, Phil.

I'm with you, Phil and his story are cool and I wish him the best of luck. The magic coach is a clown, I skim right over all of his nonsense, magic and self promoting.

HRE wrote:

Prove it! wrote:

My problem is with JS he is a fun fake. Do you realize that?

Why would anyone who has been coached by someone for months "realize" that his coach is a "fun fake," (whatever that is?) What's "fake" about what Phil's been doing, even if it doesn't get him the marathon result he wants? If you want to argue with what JS has him doing that's one thing but there's nothing fake going on.

And good luck, Phil.

STFU! Great he likes JS,he might do well he might not this weekend; the point is the joker is telling lies. Does anyone with believe that this troll on the Let's Run boards is coaching the #2 man in the world or any of his self proclaiming BS? Now his is saying the Kenyans won't acknowledge it because they don't use on line coaches, please. Look, forget everything, this so call Wizard of running, who's formulas go against some of the best, doesn't have a single article on the internet, but his crappy website. If he was the wizard and the best,don't you think we would at least see some references towards his name???? One ???? It is one thing if he was just some coach somewhere with a few ideas and wanted to coach a few runners for money or whatever, but he claims to be the Wizard and worked with the best, but all we see is a few B-class Kenyans and Phil. That is Fraud! Find me an article in a top magazine and share it, or STFU.

It's called self promotion. It's not my favorite thing but that's why I'd never make a successful businessman. There are Kenyans on my Facebook page who acknowledge JS as their coach. No matter, he clearly is coaching Phil. That's not a lie and it's not fake and I admire JS for putting it on the line publicly here. Look at it this way. If Phil goes down in flames this weekend you'll have endless opportunities to gloat and if he runs well you can just vanish and never appear again under your current name.

Prove it! wrote:

If Phil DNF's Sunday or runs poorly, you need to come on here and apologize for being a joke, lier, and fraud, and never posts on Let's Run again.

If Phil breaks 2:30 in the marathon Sunday then you owe me 5 billion dollars.

dunes runner wrote:

Prove it! wrote:

If Phil DNF's Sunday or runs poorly, you need to come on here and apologize for being a joke, lier, and fraud, and never posts on Let's Run again.

If Phil breaks 2:30 in the marathon Sunday then you owe me 5 billion dollars.

1st it was 2:19; but my problem is with his lies. If he claims to have all these ties to these top runners, even the New York City Marathon Champion who is begging to be coached by him. Show me a FN article. Just one! You know what; he can't and won't because there aren't any. I don't care if he'll wins the race on Sunday. He claims to have worked with Kipchoge, who he claims to be in contact with regularly. He claims his revolutionary method will lead to Kipchoge running much faster, yet not a single article, just a crappie website with nothing on it. He trolls the boards on letsrun.com so he can pick up more victims. Folks haven't you figured that out? Wizard; yea a wizard a fraud and lies. Stop with the BS share an article from a reputable source claiming the greatness of this Joker.

His formula doesn't really go against some of the best. You sound like you might not be very smart on training if you think that.

Does JS have a different approach? Yes. Does it come across that JS prescribes a very consistent and similar training program week over week? Yes. However, let's think about what he is doing....

1. Lower end of weekly mileage. Nothing high. This is different than most marathon programs, but not out of the norm for successful programs/coaches.

2. 1 threshold/cruise interval workout each week. This is key to any good program. Running at lactate threshold is a huge component of getting better. Very similar to other good programs.

3. 1 VO2 Max workout each week. Other programs usually have this, but in a a specific phase of a season. However, JS has this season long. From my understanding, the idea is to focus on this pace season long, allowing runners to progress fitness running at VO2max much longer than other programs. He can do this by not having runners completing more taxing VO2 Max sessions (3xmile @ 5k, 6x800 @ 5K, etc). It's an interesting take.

4. Long Run with threshold pace on/off at the end. Very similar to successful programs.

At the end of the day, he has components in his program that are similar to good programs. His low mileage approach with a constant season-long VO2 Max session is unique. However, many ways to crack an egg.

Good point. I've followed this thread from day 1, and at first I was hugely skeptical, but by golly JS and Phil are proving me wrong.

Phil will go sub 2:20 at CIM, and I think I've finally figured out why. He has 50 second 400 speed, and JS' programme is designed for a speed-based distance runner, so it's a match made in heaven.

I remain steadfast that slow-twitch "true" distance runners need mileage, not 20x4 every week, to best develop their talents. And I object to JS' assertion that talent in distance running equates to one's 400 PR. But JS' system looks very effective for some runners, with the added value of minimal time commitment. Because of this self-promoting thread, those runners can find a good coach for them, or just try it on their own.

Blah blah blah, stop being so negative. JS is super knowledgable and makes training fun. It has taken me years to completely grasp things that he has made simple to understand on this thread. His system is like Canova for the everyman. Also, I find the "just magic" thing hilarious, he clearly has a sense of humour. As should you. JS, keep up the good work!

Please produce the article! One article that's all I'm asking!! Or STFU JS.

mwh wrote:

Good point. I've followed this thread from day 1, and at first I was hugely skeptical, but by golly JS and Phil are proving me wrong.

Phil will go sub 2:20 at CIM, and I think I've finally figured out why. He has 50 second 400 speed, and JS' programme is designed for a speed-based distance runner, so it's a match made in heaven.

I remain steadfast that slow-twitch "true" distance runners need mileage, not 20x4 every week, to best develop their talents. And I object to JS' assertion that talent in distance running equates to one's 400 PR. But JS' system looks very effective for some runners, with the added value of minimal time commitment. Because of this self-promoting thread, those runners can find a good coach for them, or just try it on their own.

Find my one article that has this clown as a wizard! He's a liar, and one size does not fit all. You can't have all your athletes doing the same type of training.

You are dropping names of successful coaches and putting his name in the conversation. Produce the article that shows this clown is the great one. JS should be getting up right about now and he is responsible for a lot of these Pro post. He has flaws with his program. One size does not fit all and elites don't train that way. So the Kenyans do 70 mpw? Look just produce some article having this clown's name in it or shut the f up! You keep coming on here under different names, but no article. Produce something.

All l see is an anonymous man ( no internet trace except his sleazy site) JS and his 300 athletes, but all we see is Phil and a few barely B-class Kenyans who beg everyone for help; so this guy claims to be working with some serious guys, ranked one and two in the world. Look Neely Spence, and Sage, and RunnersConnect, are working with some great athletes like Phil's ability( not world class just people running) and they have helped many more than this joke. That's not my problem with JS, no you see the people I mentioned are referred to in running magazines and have an internet trail unlike JS( except his silly site) when it comes to getting their advice for runners. Thoes people aren't great coaches just people working with runners like Phil. Now JS; he is more then just a joker working with runners online, no he thinks he's the NEXT GREAT Wizard! Now we come to my problem with him. Such a wizard would have some trace on the internet wouldn't he? I mean even those online coaches I just mentioned have traces on the internet and he claims to be WAY better than them. Now to the the root of my problem with him; he is out and out right lying to everyone about working with some World Beaters. He comes on here to get suckers to go to his site thinking they are working with McMillan or Daniels, but only 10x better, with some serious credentials, but it's all lies. That is the real Magic !

mwh wrote:

Good point. I've followed this thread from day 1, and at first I was hugely skeptical, but by golly JS and Phil are proving me wrong.

Phil will go sub 2:20 at CIM, and I think I've finally figured out why. He has 50 second 400 speed, and JS' programme is designed for a speed-based distance runner, so it's a match made in heaven.

I remain steadfast that slow-twitch "true" distance runners need mileage, not 20x4 every week, to best develop their talents. And I object to JS' assertion that talent in distance running equates to one's 400 PR. But JS' system looks very effective for some runners, with the added value of minimal time commitment. Because of this self-promoting thread, those runners can find a good coach for them, or just try it on their own.

I have seen that typing somewhere, hummm; o yes it was JS. Stop defending yourself and produce an article. The real Magic is the lies and suckers you fool by using multiple names, talking and answering questions on this site as if other people are responding to you, and last but not least your lies on working with world-beaters. When you are caught you come up with weak excuses to why they don't mention your name. The real MAGIC is the few gullible people on here that think you are a Wizard. Have you ever thought about getting into used car sales JS?

Dude, Prove it, gotta chill out dude. Why don't you post your stats? What bona fides do you have to say anything like anyone else on this forum.

Yeah, I was skeptical at first, but hey as a guy myself who works 50 hours a week and 3 kids, I like the simplicity and the fact that I don't have to post super high mileage to get results.

Not sure your obsession over some article, doesnt prove or disprove anything in my books.

I wish Phil the best of luck and hope he accomplishes his goal, so Prove it! can shut up about some stupid article and suck it.

Just my $0.02.

If you think Runners World articles are the measure of hardcore athletics training, then you are the joke.