How do we get Hitler without the Treaty of Versaille?
This is a rhetorical question... I'm more likely to get a cat to do calculus than get you to answer a question honestly or with any semblance of intelligence.
The exact terms of the Treaty of Versailles matter a lot less than the fact of German military defeat in the First World War. The reparations crisis and hyperinflation were over by 1924, far from 1933.
And then you get the Great Depression which creates a political power vacuum in Germany
You're simply too stupid to understand the lesson.
I understand that appeasement leads to more bad behavior.
But unlike you I understand that empty threats are no more effective than appeasement.
No one took Chamberlain seriously because they knew his threats were empty...
A 120 pound man can threaten you all day long. At the end of the day he's still a 120 pound man and if the violence starts he's going to get embarrassed.
So I ask you for the 50th time.
WHO IS GOING TO CARRY OUT THE VIOLENCE TO MAKE YOUR SECURITY GUARANTEE WORTH A DAMN THING?
We know you dont think NATO means anything, so why is Putin so upset about its expansion? If the guarantees are paper tigers whats all the fighting about, in your formulation since you buy the Putin line that its all about NATO
Why didnt Russia invade Finland and Sweden?
Article 5 means everything.
That's why Ukraine wants to be in NATO.
I'm not sure you're aware but the the United States military is "NATO".
The US pays over 70% of NATO's budget and provides almost all of it's combat power.
Whenever you think "NATO" is going to do anything understand that what you're really saying is that the United States is going to do it.
“Zelensky started arguments with Trump and Vance Friday morning”.
No.
That is not what happened. It’s even in the title of this very thread, posted by the most pro-Trump person on here.
Even with that ridiculous excuse, you seem to agree that the US is the opposed to the deal as written. The only possible explanation of the available facts is that Ukraine wants to make the deal, and the US does not.
There were no security guarantees made in the minerals agreement. Zelensky wants security guarantees. Trump Refuses. No deal.
Zelensky says he wants to make the deal, but Trump knows there's going to be strings attached and that this deal is not going to lead to peace which is the entire point.
It's very very simple.
In your Daily Mail article about how Zelensky was willing to sign the deal, posted two pages ago:
”But allies have watched nervously as the leaders moved towards a critical minerals deal without security guarantees for Ukraine. The signing of the deal, which would see the U.S. and Ukraine create a joint fund granting the U.S. access to Ukraine's natural resources, was cast aside after Friday's disastrous meeting between Donald Trump, JD Vance and Zelensky.”
The US opposes the deal it proposed a week ago. The Ukrainians want to sign it. Even without the security guarantees.
again your skipping ahead to the conclusion: why did ppl think Chamberlains threats were empty?
Are you brain dead?
Even if the Sudetenland appeasement had never happened Chamberlain's threats would STILL have been empty because he didn't have any means to enforce them.
Europe cannot enforce any security guarantees on their own.
The threats are empty because if Russia decides to break the peace deal and take the rest of Ukraine Europe wouldn't do a damn thing about it without the US and EVERYONE but the American left knows it.
completely circular: Chamberlain had no credibility because he had no credibility
How do we get Hitler without the Treaty of Versaille?
This is a rhetorical question... I'm more likely to get a cat to do calculus than get you to answer a question honestly or with any semblance of intelligence.
The exact terms of the Treaty of Versailles matter a lot less than the fact of German military defeat in the First World War. The reparations crisis and hyperinflation were over by 1924, far from 1933.
Jesus Christ...
Hitler didn't land on earth in 1933.
He became chairman of the nazi party in 1921...
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
Even if the Sudetenland appeasement had never happened Chamberlain's threats would STILL have been empty because he didn't have any means to enforce them.
Europe cannot enforce any security guarantees on their own.
The threats are empty because if Russia decides to break the peace deal and take the rest of Ukraine Europe wouldn't do a damn thing about it without the US and EVERYONE but the American left knows it.
completely circular: Chamberlain had no credibility because he had no credibility
amazing analysis
if you dont have the appeasement at Munich then you have a completely different set of events
so theres a bit of an undistributed middle in the syllogism there
Even if the Sudetenland appeasement had never happened Chamberlain's threats would STILL have been empty because he didn't have any means to enforce them.
Europe cannot enforce any security guarantees on their own.
The threats are empty because if Russia decides to break the peace deal and take the rest of Ukraine Europe wouldn't do a damn thing about it without the US and EVERYONE but the American left knows it.
completely circular: Chamberlain had no credibility because he had no credibility
amazing analysis
It's only circular in your head.
Genghis f*cking Khan could have been the prime minister of the UK and it wouldn't have made a difference because the UK could not enforce its threats.
The exact terms of the Treaty of Versailles matter a lot less than the fact of German military defeat in the First World War. The reparations crisis and hyperinflation were over by 1924, far from 1933.
Jesus Christ...
Hitler didn't land on earth in 1933.
He became chairman of the nazi party in 1921...
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
hes talking specifically about hyperinflation in Weimar Germany here
The exact terms of the Treaty of Versailles matter a lot less than the fact of German military defeat in the First World War. The reparations crisis and hyperinflation were over by 1924, far from 1933.
Jesus Christ...
Hitler didn't land on earth in 1933.
He became chairman of the nazi party in 1921...
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
The Great Depression is an important factor. The Great Depression was not caused by the Treaty of Versailles. The hyperinflation was, but the SPD government was able to survive that crisis.
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
The Great Depression is an important factor. The Great Depression was not caused by the Treaty of Versailles. The hyperinflation was, but the SPD government was able to survive that crisis.
Come on dude...
The economic hardship which created Hitler was caused directly by the Treaty of Versaille.
If Hitler isn't already a prominent figure when the crash happens he doesn't rise to power.
The exact terms of the Treaty of Versailles matter a lot less than the fact of German military defeat in the First World War. The reparations crisis and hyperinflation were over by 1924, far from 1933.
Jesus Christ...
Hitler didn't land on earth in 1933.
He became chairman of the nazi party in 1921...
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
The Great Depression is an important factor. The Great Depression was not caused by the Treaty of Versailles. The hyperinflation was, but the SPD government was able to survive that crisis.
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
hes talking specifically about hyperinflation in Weimar Germany here
I know. It was directly caused by the treaty. Without it there would be no Hitler.
Germany had a roaring 20s after 1924 too but Hitler was created before they started and he was perfectly situated to step into power after the crash because of the hardships caused by the treaty.
You should also google the crash of 1929 and see if you can figure out how well the German economy was doing leading up to 1933...
So now its not just the Treaty of Versailles?
Other factors were at play?
lol
The way your tiny brains work is fascinating.
The treaty was needlessly overly punitive to Germany.
The treaty was the first domino. That doesn't mean there weren't any other dominoes.... it means none of them would have fallen over without the first domino starting the chain.
hes talking specifically about hyperinflation in Weimar Germany here
I know. It was directly caused by the treaty. Without it there would be no Hitler.
Germany had a roaring 20s after 1924 too but Hitler was created before they started and he was perfectly situated to step into power after the crash because of the hardships caused by the treaty.
You dont get Hitler and the Nazis when you did without the Great Depression
maybe you get them at some point, but without the Depression basically ending the Weimar Republics ability to govern you dont get the rise of the Nazis, at least at that juncture
The treaty was needlessly overly punitive to Germany.
The treaty was the first domino. That doesn't mean there weren't any other dominoes.... it means none of them would have fallen over without the first domino starting the chain.
so you agree what caused WW2 was more than the Treaty of Ver?
I know. It was directly caused by the treaty. Without it there would be no Hitler.
Germany had a roaring 20s after 1924 too but Hitler was created before they started and he was perfectly situated to step into power after the crash because of the hardships caused by the treaty.
You dont get Hitler and the Nazis when you did without the Great Depression
maybe you get them at some point, but without the Depression basically ending the Weimar Republics ability to govern you dont get the rise of the Nazis, at least at that juncture
Meanwhile, Hitler and the Nazis pre-date the Great Depression.
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