Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
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Is the #sexstrike an actual thing or a joke? Are there really women out there who think their male partner is somehow responsible for the Roverturn?
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bluh wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
On the weekend of Roe v Wade being overturned, you think it's a good time to make the point that men have it hard too. You're only able to spot the injustice done to men? I mean I agree with you in some instances, but if you're so good at spotting the injustices men experience in the legal system, then surely you must be aware of the injustice of what just happened to women's rights to make reproductive choices, right?
Yes, I do think it’s a good time because it’s an important reason I personally stopped caring for Roe much. Some people think differently from you, you know?
And sure, I see the injustice to women too, but I don’t think the scotus ruling changes that much in practice. You are mostly talking about a scenario where a woman chooses to have unprotected sex and gets pregnant and happens to live in a state prohibiting abortions and she and her man can not afford to travel to a different state to get the abortion so badly wanted. Plus Congress can still protect that right federally if it really has the mandate and if it doesn’t, then people just don’t want it that badly.
I do support a woman’s right to an abortion if the sex wasn’t with her consent.
In any case, I don’t see an intellectually honest reading of the constitution’s 14th amendment guaranteeing a right to privacy and, more importantly, privacy having anything to do with the right to get an abortion. That never made sense. You can’t claim the right to privacy to purchase illegal drugs in order to inject it into “my body”. Bodily autonomy has always had limits.
Why is it ok to kill the baby if it’s caused by rape?
Would you accept a ruling from the Supreme Court as just if it banned blood transfusions?
I think it’s incredible to argue that James Madison had no expectation to privacy from the government when he was writing the Constitution.
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bluh wrote:
truth of it wrote:
The Supreme Court said that government has the right to make that decision for you. You have NO right to make that personal decision for yourself.
So you are the furthest thing from free on this subject.
It’s not a personal decision. There are at least three persons involved in the decision, or at least two of you insist on not considering a non-yet-breathing person as a person.
The government also has a right to make a decision that you are not allowed to kill yourself. Or enslave yourself via contract. You don’t have the bodily autonomy to make some types of decisions about your body because they have ramifications outside of your body.
In ten states in addition to Washington DC, assisted suicide is legal.
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Ex L wrote:
What matters is that voters are scared that Republicans will pass NO exceptions to abortion if they are elected.
They saw the stories of clinics shutting down the moment Roe was overturned.
Women were in the waiting room and told to leave.“Most voters”. You say that with confidence. Fact is “most voters” align more so with a conservative approach to abortion. Up to 15 weeks and then significant restrictions thereafter. Dems are all for abortion to the point that it’s basically teetering on the edge of infanticide.
The media loves to demonize pro lifers for wanting babies to live, but the progressives are the true monsters in this scenario. Abortions after the point of viability, for no other reason than convenience, is sickening. And 80% of voters agree.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
bluh wrote:
It’s not a personal decision. There are at least three persons involved in the decision, or at least two of you insist on not considering a non-yet-breathing person as a person.
The government also has a right to make a decision that you are not allowed to kill yourself. Or enslave yourself via contract. You don’t have the bodily autonomy to make some types of decisions about your body because they have ramifications outside of your body.
In ten states in addition to Washington DC, assisted suicide is legal.
Glad you agree bodily autonomy is not universal or unrestricted.
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kganrvownlibs wrote:
Yawn^23 wrote:
I’ll flat out say it is. The moment an egg is fertilized by a sperm it is a life. Happy?
IVF clinics go home devastated.
Jesus Christ you guys are morons.
You can't even get your talking points right... the anti-abortion bloc will fall apart once the anti-Roe types realize underneath it all were true "anything is life" whackos that want to ban contraception, IVF, and anything that helps mothers survive.
IVF shouldn’t exist imo. The anti abortion block will be just fine. Thanks for your concern.
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Ex L wrote:
Pregnant women’s lives matter.
92.33% babies murdered for no reason at all.
Babies Lives Matter
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The elected Republican approach to abortion is not to allow it up to 15 weeks.
It’s to ban it outright.
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Ex L wrote:
The elected Republican approach to abortion is not to allow it up to 15 weeks.
It’s to ban it outright.
No one is going to trust them to protect anything.The elected dem position is to move the goal posts back and forth. Raskin was asked point blank if a bill was put in front of him that banned abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, and health of mother if he would sign it. He became flustered and refused to answer.
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"The UN should investigate the US for human rights violations. You horrible people have used your worldwide irrelevancy to commit horrible acts of racism against vulnerable and oppressed people."(quote)
Fixed.
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Yawn^23 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
If women-beaters should not have a say on human rights at the UN - which does not endorse women-beating, btw - then why do you accept the views of slave-owners in deciding human rights in America today, as they do through your constitution. (Some may also have even beaten their wives).
Abortion is murder only to those whose ideology bends in that direction. And you believe you are entitled to impose that ideology on those who don't share it. You would do well in the Taliban.
Saudi Arabia is full of women beaters and gay haters. The UN supports this behavior by saying Saudi Arabia belongs on their human rights council. I can only conclude you support such behavior as well since you keep defending the UN.
you can keep pointing to the past in the US but most of us live in the present. You can’t win with that nonsense.
I don't defend the UN as an organization - which isn't Saudi Arabia btw. However the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is endorsed by most of its member nations, including the US. But I guess that leaves you out
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Yawn^23 wrote:
Government OVER reach! wrote:
Ah yes I knew you couldn't do it. "Oh I just don't care too"?? ......that's your response!
If you can't say that it becomes a child at the point of fertilization, (whether frozen or not) then you saying it doesn't or you don't know. But you still think the woman opinion on this is irrelevant.
Whether or not that fertilized egg is a child is the MOST important concept in this discussion.
Its not a child.
I’ll flat out say it is. The moment an egg is fertilized by a sperm it is a life. Happy?
A sperm is life. (So is an egg). There is no "life" possible if it were otherwise. So I assume you are equally against masturbation and menstruation and contraception as you are against abortion?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Yawn^23 wrote:
I’ll flat out say it is. The moment an egg is fertilized by a sperm it is a life. Happy?
A sperm is life. (So is an egg). There is no "life" possible if it were otherwise. So I assume you are equally against masturbation and menstruation and contraception as you are against abortion?
A sperm is not human life, nor is an egg. The union between them is what creates a new human with unique dna. Did you really sleep through biology class?
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Yawn^23 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A sperm is life. (So is an egg). There is no "life" possible if it were otherwise. So I assume you are equally against masturbation and menstruation and contraception as you are against abortion?
A sperm is not human life, nor is an egg. The union between them is what creates a new human with unique dna. Did you really sleep through biology class?
A single cell is life. It also contains "unique human DNA". You didn't sleep through the class. You simply didn't go. Not too late to catch up.
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From a purely legal standpoint, don’t most legal minds agree that it was bad law?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Yawn^23 wrote:
A sperm is not human life, nor is an egg. The union between them is what creates a new human with unique dna. Did you really sleep through biology class?
A single cell is life. It also contains "unique human DNA". You didn't sleep through the class. You simply didn't go. Not too late to catch up.
Please try and debate in good faith for once. Reread my first sentence
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As "debate" here - the howling down of opponents - about the SCOTUS shows, the two sides cannot live with each other or even co-exist in the same nation. Your differences on so many issues have become irreconcilable.
"The question is no longer whether there will be a civil conflict in the United States. The question is how the sides will divide, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and how those strengths and weaknesses will determine the outcome."
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Yawn^23 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A single cell is life. It also contains "unique human DNA". You didn't sleep through the class. You simply didn't go. Not too late to catch up.
Please try and debate in good faith for once. Reread my first sentence
You are simply wrong. You choose to define "life" at an arbitrary point - as the anti-abortion argument does. That isn't science, it is ideology.
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Yawn^23 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A sperm is life. (So is an egg). There is no "life" possible if it were otherwise. So I assume you are equally against masturbation and menstruation and contraception as you are against abortion?
A sperm is not human life, nor is an egg. The union between them is what creates a new human with unique dna. Did you really sleep through biology class?
Armstronglivs is absolute scum, scientifically illiterate, incapable of basic reasoning skills, and quick to viciously attack the poster instead of the argument. I’ve blocked him but still can’t avoid seeing his posts quoted by others. Sure enough, his quoted posts are inane as expected. I don’t even know what business it is of someone in NZ or AU or wherever the jerk is to weigh in on American politics.
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anonymoose wrote:
From a purely legal standpoint, don’t most legal minds agree that it was bad law?
No. Only Republican evangelicals, anti-abortionists and Trumpers do. The law is a means to a solution; it isn't a solution in itself. Hence, the expression - "the law is an ass". The SCOTUS has certainly affirmed that.
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