The AXIS-II personality disorders on display again.
The AXIS-II personality disorders on display again.
Really hope a large number of dudes jump on this bandwagon. Love to see a women's final that is nothing but mediocre men swimming for a few days.
Imagine ncaa women's meet with heat after of heat of dudes that were just kinda ok HS runners.
Dudes always make the best women athletes.
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Today is Lia's day. First splash at 10am EDST.
I'm having trouble figuring out what the final decision on this issue is.
Was it to allow Thomas to compete this year, but effectively bar trans male to female swimmers from competing in the future?
RunRagged wrote:
Chart showing that the finishing times that caused Thomas to win the first place title in three different women's events at the Ivy League Championships would have put Thomas behind dead last place in each of the same races in the men's division:
This just shows that Lia is significanty slower as a a trans woman than as a cis-male (ie, hormone treatment slows her down). I don’t think this supports your contention.
Event 3 Women 500 Yard Freestyle
1 Thomas, Lia 5Y Penn 4:33.82
2 Sullivan, Erica FR Texas 4:36.79
3 Weyant, Emma FR Virginia 4:37.25
4 McKenna, Paige FR Wisconsin 4:37.36
5 Pfeifer, Evie 5Y Texas 4:37.39
The issue however is how a fully developed male athlete compares to female athletes. That hormone therapy will have any appreciable effect on that comparison is untenable. And that is assuming that Thomas is not sandbagging to avoid criticism, which Thomas has been accused of. The hero of our time. LOL.
astro wrote:
The issue however is how a fully developed male athlete compares to female athletes. That hormone therapy will have any appreciable effect on that comparison is untenable. And that is assuming that Thomas is not sandbagging to avoid criticism, which Thomas has been accused of. The hero of our time. LOL.
My brother coaches swimming and having watched some video of Lia swimming, he echoes what one article a few weeks back suggested, that the "eye test" of Lia's form suggests she is holding back. I never swam so I can't really say, but I know a sandbagging runner when I see one, so I'm certain he can see it in his sport. Slightly off topic, but I always thought something similar about Caster Semenya, specifically when she ran the 1500 later in her career. I know her case involved a different "issue" re: gender, but it always felt like she knew she could absolutely dust her foes at 1500 so she took it easy and, at 2017 worlds for example, "only" went for a bronze, knowing she was good for gold at 800. In the 800, it was safer to go close to full effort because there wasn't enough time in a shorter race to make a total farce of it. At least in the category of victory spread.
Obviously I never met Thomas personally but from interviews and what I have read Thomas sees herself as a civil rights crusader breaking down barriers. If that is the case then completely dusting her biologically female opponents would defeat the "higher" purpose. But although I think there is definitely something to that, I also notice Thomas has just too much ego to tank completely and lose. The whole thing is a circus where zealots are trying to ram this down society's throats using coercion and mau-mauing with a quasi-religious fervor, but I do find that final egotistical aspect of it almost amusing.
Changes in latitude wrote:
Event 3 Women 500 Yard Freestyle
1 Thomas, Lia 5Y Penn 4:33.82
2 Sullivan, Erica FR Texas 4:36.79
3 Weyant, Emma FR Virginia 4:37.25
4 McKenna, Paige FR Wisconsin 4:37.36
5 Pfeifer, Evie 5Y Texas 4:37.39
For context, note that both Erica Sullivan and Emma Weyant are Olympic silver medalists, all but in different events than the 500 free.
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Changes in latitude wrote:
I'm having trouble figuring out what the final decision on this issue is.
Was it to allow Thomas to compete this year, but effectively bar trans male to female swimmers from competing in the future?
This is the last NCAA championships under the current rule.
They will have an awkward transitional rule next season. (Athletes will get tested their t-level several times throughout the season.)
The new rule will take effect in 23-24 season, which effectively bans athletes like Thomas.
NCAA just needs to cross their fingers and hope nothing strange happens for one more year.
NotPC wrote:
Dudes always make the best women athletes.
If Caitlin had turned, s he'd still be winning the Olympics
As a former collegiate swimmer......MANY years ago, and a long time masters swimmer, this entire debacle disgusts me. I don't fault Thomas for being trans (any more so then I would fault Jenner), but I do for taking advantage of the "woke" and ridiculous policies now rampant within the NCAA and Ivy league that has allowed this to happen. Everyone is trying to jump on this stupid bandwagon and identify how "inclusive" they are, but all they are doing is destroying womens swimming. What a gaggle of fools and idiots.
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Lia Thomas for the win.
Women go home devastated.
No one is stopping USA Track & Field or WA from updating their policy. If they do that before the start of 23-24 season, that will be the policy for NCAA track & field.
The same goes for all other NCAA sports.