Please ban BYU from NCAA competition

Tee Totatler wrote:

Stopme99 wrote:

BYU runners can buy their own liquor. NAU has to have someone by it for them.

I'm pretty sure that BYU runners did not buy any alcohol last night or any night for that matter.

They may celebrated with some caffeinated beverages, but again, most likely not. They live a very clean lifestyle.

Yes Mormons drink tons of sugared up soda, but not coffee or alcohol hahahaha. How anyone could buy into this "clean lifestyle" is beyond belief.

of course111 wrote:

How anyone could buy into this "clean lifestyle" is beyond belief.

Clean to them meaning white.

800 dude wrote:

Barega is 19.

Kejelcha is 22.

Geb won the 10k at WCs at the age of 20.

Wanjiru broke the half marathon world record at the age of 18.

At 22, you have reached full physical maturity, and you have years of training behind you. The only excuse for losing at that age is not being good enough.

Add about 5-10 years to those ages.

Mormonism is a heretical form of Christianity that has little in common with orthodox Christian creeds, tenets, and beliefs. For expressing this fact based opinion the mods will delete my post.

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

Bad Wigins wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

You are an apostate from the Church and are bitter and need to attack the church to justify yourself.

Letters Paul and Peter wrote are the basis for much of the New Testament.

You have no idea what I've read or haven't.

"apostate" = "you're wrong because you disagree"

"bitter" = "you're wrong because you're pissed about being lied to"

"Paul" = guy who never met the supposed Jesus

"Letters of Peter" = texts allegedly written by illiterate fisherman, not generally accepted as genuine.

"Letters of Jesus" = what the supposed founder of the religion, literate from childhood, should have written plenty of, and what you really need to prove those later writers didn't merely invent him as a focus for their mystical ideas.

Apostate means a lot more than what you posted

I'm not angry at all, I love the Church. I believe in it!

You went on a mission and never read the part of the New Testament about Saul (Paul) meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus?

Paul wrote many letters that make up most of the books in the New Testament.

Bad Wigins wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

You are an apostate from the Church and are bitter and need to attack the church to justify yourself.

Letters Paul and Peter wrote are the basis for much of the New Testament.

You have no idea what I've read or haven't.

"apostate" = "you're wrong because you disagree"

"bitter" = "you're wrong because you're pissed about being lied to"

"Paul" = guy who never met the supposed Jesus

"Letters of Peter" = texts allegedly written by illiterate fisherman, not generally accepted as genuine.

"Letters of Jesus" = what the supposed founder of the religion, literate from childhood, should have written plenty of, and what you really need to prove those later writers didn't merely invent him as a focus for their mystical ideas.

You are the bitter one that thinks they have to attack the Church every chance you get, even on a running website!

Mormons are weirdos wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

Bigot alert!

Joseph Smith was a failed con man who made up a religion based mostly on contemporary mysticism to sell books and then decided to tack on polygamy because he wanted to sleep with teenage girls.

Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.

Bad Wigins wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

You are an apostate from the Church and are bitter and need to attack the church to justify yourself.

Letters Paul and Peter wrote are the basis for much of the New Testament.

You have no idea what I've read or haven't.

"apostate" = "you're wrong because you disagree"

"bitter" = "you're wrong because you're pissed about being lied to"

"Paul" = guy who never met the supposed Jesus

"Letters of Peter" = texts allegedly written by illiterate fisherman, not generally accepted as genuine.

"Letters of Jesus" = what the supposed founder of the religion, literate from childhood, should have written plenty of, and what you really need to prove those later writers didn't merely invent him as a focus for their mystical ideas.

Here come the atheist preachers. They gonna preach and tell you how it is. Mormon missionaries are lazy compared to these zealots. They REALLY want you to believe what they believe. I mean REALLY!

.Trump2020OP-the real one......... wrote:

Mormonism is a heretical form of Christianity that has little in common with orthodox Christian creeds, tenets, and beliefs. For expressing this fact based opinion the mods will delete my post.

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

I don't find this statement offensive. It's at least a basis for discussion other that calling us a cult or something like that. Modern day Christian thought has it's roots based in ideas that were formulated approximately 400 years after Christ was on the earth. If you read the Bible, I believe it is easy to see that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ideas on God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are in conformance with the Bible and that orthodox Christianity is at odds with the Bible.

We believe they are three distinct individuals. There is tons of evidence in the Bible that supports that. To name just a couple:

Christ told Mary after he resurrected to not touch him because he had not yet ascended to His Father and God. - John 20:17

When Stephen was stoned, he saw Christ standing on the right hand of God - Acts 7:55-56

Christ said that he didn't come to do His will but the will of the Father many, many times. Christ prayed to the Father many times.

Luke 3:22 When Jesus was baptized a voice from Heaven stated, "Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased".

Hebrews 1:2-3 Says in the Last days God (the Father) spoke unto us by his Son, that he made the worlds through his Son, and that the Son is in the express image (of the Father).

There are hundreds more. Every time Christ prayed is a testimony that they are separate individuals.

Preach it brother wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

"apostate" = "you're wrong because you disagree"

"bitter" = "you're wrong because you're pissed about being lied to"

"Paul" = guy who never met the supposed Jesus

"Letters of Peter" = texts allegedly written by illiterate fisherman, not generally accepted as genuine.

"Letters of Jesus" = what the supposed founder of the religion, literate from childhood, should have written plenty of, and what you really need to prove those later writers didn't merely invent him as a focus for their mystical ideas.

Here come the atheist preachers. They gonna preach and tell you how it is. Mormon missionaries are lazy compared to these zealots. They REALLY want you to believe what they believe. I mean REALLY!

No kidding! Did God reveal it to them there is no God? They speak with such certitude!

blamb61 wrote:

......... nonsensical idiotic rambling ............

You've posted 5 of the last 6 messages.

Something is seriously wrong with you - in addition to being a Mormon.

Preach it brother wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

"apostate" = "you're wrong because you disagree"

"bitter" = "you're wrong because you're pissed about being lied to"

"Paul" = guy who never met the supposed Jesus

"Letters of Peter" = texts allegedly written by illiterate fisherman, not generally accepted as genuine.

"Letters of Jesus" = what the supposed founder of the religion, literate from childhood, should have written plenty of, and what you really need to prove those later writers didn't merely invent him as a focus for their mystical ideas.

Here come the atheist preachers. They gonna preach and tell you how it is. Mormon missionaries are lazy compared to these zealots. They REALLY want you to believe what they believe. I mean REALLY!

This is called reason, not preaching. These are facts debunking the historicity of a religion and neither you nor anyone else has countered them. Look how everyone resorts right off the bat to straw man construction and ad hominem deflections about my emotional state or motives. If they were educated they would know how to debate.

That, of course, answers indirectly my own question why they send half-baked ignorami on the missions: it's not about reasoning with people, it's about talking nonsense. Of course you send the kids out for that.

Irrational Zealot ~ wrote:

You've posted 5 of the last 6 messages.

Something is seriously wrong with you - in addition to being a Mormon.

I just got done reading this entire thread. There must be something seriously wrong with me.

BYU plays by the rules and they are the best. Facts may anger small of brain.

Bee Why You wrote:

BYU plays by the rules and they are the best. Facts may anger small of brain.

Lawyers play by the rules too. They tend to anger everyone.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Preach it brother wrote:

Here come the atheist preachers. They gonna preach and tell you how it is. Mormon missionaries are lazy compared to these zealots. They REALLY want you to believe what they believe. I mean REALLY!

This is called reason, not preaching. These are facts debunking the historicity of a religion and neither you nor anyone else has countered them. Look how everyone resorts right off the bat to straw man construction and ad hominem deflections about my emotional state or motives. If they were educated they would know how to debate.

That, of course, answers indirectly my own question why they send half-baked ignorami on the missions: it's not about reasoning with people, it's about talking nonsense. Of course you send the kids out for that.

Preach on, brother!

Old jacks wrote:

The NAU team is actually older than BYU. So I guess they are out too.

ABDIHAMID

NUR Born in 1997

He is a “freshman” at age 22

And, NAU recruits Kenyans. BYU recruits Mormons

If it’s so simple, why did Joseph Smith teach a trinitarian view of the godhead for several years after he organized the Mormon Church? Once he changed his views on the godhead, he changed the story about the vision he had. Originally it was one being that he saw. After his theology changed, his vision became two beings.

Ghost1 wrote:

FrenchDawg wrote:

Until they start restricting the amount of time missionaries can spend in competition, any victory they achieve will be hollow and meaningless.

The irony is that the 2 year mission is a disadvantage, not a plus. All those missionaries come back to campus 2 years older, but out of shape and 40 pounds heavier. It can take them 6-8 months to get back to their previous level, some never get back to the same level.

Those guys are super humble and modest. If it were really an advantage, those guys would opt out.

I ran a 4:10 mile time trial the day before I entered the Missionary Training Center, six months after having run one cross country season on scholarship at the University of Utah. On my mission, I actually lost five pounds, and I can count on one hand the days when I did any running at all. My weight loss was purely muscle mass, particularly in the legs. However, when I returned from my mission, I was 21 years old, much more mentally mature and confident. I actually needed to shave after my mission, which I really didn’t need to do previously. I did what too many returned missionaries do: I met a girl, got married at 22, and we had our first child 15 months after we were married. After just one quarter back at school, I dropped out and worked in factories to support my family (and we had another child) until the age of 29, when I returned to college, as a freshman. I never pursued my former running dreams. However, I am certain that had I done so after returning from my mission, my mental and physical maturity would have given me a definite advantage over most 17 or 18 year olds just coming out of high school, especially if I had redshirted another year and then run for four more years. The mental and physical advantage is, in my opinion, indisputable. As Coach Eyestone himself says, just because you go on a mission for two years, you don’t lose your running ability. You do return from a mission out of shape, but once you get back into shape, you’re going to be better than you would have been.