There's no way Jakob Ingebrigtsen has achieved his results naturally

Asbel was a child prodigy. I don't believe he was doped when he was a teen winning junior world cross and gold in the Beijing Olympics. Interesting he only got busted the year he could no longer compete with other Kenyans, needing a wildcard to make it to the worlds and was contemplating moving up to 5k. He slowed down in 2017, doped, and got caught.

Macdaddy wrote:

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Yeah...

Nothing says clean like running 6 seconds faster than the best American high schooler ever.

Hundreds of millions Americans versus millions of Norwegians.

Statistically unlikely, but that’s just me.

Your science is flawed. All of the samples you speak of are human. So your pool is one catergory: humans. Countries are man-made, do some reading bro.

It’s definitely possible the kids getting supplementation in some form legal or not. Tough days for track and field in the internet age and everyone is suspect. We are still letting Russians compete so take it for you will I suppose..

he reminds me of those young chinese 18-20 year olds in the 90s,who were running other worldly times for their ages,and its a fair bet hes on a similar drug cocktail to them.

reindeer milk wrote:

At his age, it's just not possible. He and his brothers are doping like crazy.

Is what he is doing noticeably different than what Jim Ryun was doing? I am willing to guess he was clean in 1964:) Of course we can't discount that JI is drugged up or off in sketchy areas. That has been track since the late 70s

El Keniano wrote:

Asbel was a child prodigy. I don't believe he was doped when he was a teen winning junior world cross and gold in the Beijing Olympics. Interesting he only got busted the year he could no longer compete with other Kenyans, needing a wildcard to make it to the worlds and was contemplating moving up to 5k. He slowed down in 2017, doped, and got caught.

An Olympic champion, three-time world champion, and 3:26 man doesn’t suddenly start doping to revive their career, they ride off into the sunset. Asbel was always a doper.

LR allows this kind of crap on the boards, but when you talk about how trump is completely screwing our country and how Flotrack and runnerspace has completely screwed over HS athletics in the past year - that gets removed immediately.

HOw about this moderator person - dump any post that is not about actual running news, questions and information and get rid of all the other s--t.

You would probably have only 10 posts a day.l

"If Henrik was doping, why would he have slowed down"

"Kiprop was busted for doping and had slowed down"

"Yeah but he was good before"

lololol wut?!?

fred wrote:

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You don't seem like the sharpest knife..

reindeer milk wrote:

At his age, it's just not possible. He and his brothers are doping like crazy.

I doubt it, Jakob was insanely good at 14 and just continued to get better. He has been training seriously since his early teens and having world class training partners in your brothers helps and also suggest good genes.

jeff tallon wrote:

he reminds me of those young chinese 18-20 year olds in the 90s,who were running other worldly times for their ages,and its a fair bet hes on a similar drug cocktail to them.

Sup creeps? Tell us about the similarities between those Chinese 18-20 yr olds and how just like Jakob they showed up on the scene at 16 running world class times and were just continuing to improve year after year at different venues, countries, world events getting tested around every corner... we'll wait

Ryun ran the exact same mile time as Jakob at around the same age.

About 2 months after turning 19, Jim Ryun ran 3:51.3, the exact same time as Jakob Ingebrigtsen but on CINDERS in 1966.

Jakob has been specifically trained since he was a little kid, but Ryun didn't start running until he was 15. He went from 5:38 Mile to 4:07 in about 6 months from XC to Track.

Some people just have the genes.

reindeer milk wrote:

At his age, it's just not possible. He and his brothers are doping like crazy.

these guys are doing like sebastian coe did, proper training, regime from birth more or less.

on top of it you must have some kind of "nutritional" support, which, may not be illegal at the moment.

you can have the legal natural supplements done correctly, and of the right quality.

you need some kind of protein building system, peptides and catalyts, and certainly blood boosting, illegal or legal,

plus good health and out of the factory food circuit . which infect the western countries in near totality,

i'm voting that it is all grey area - legal for this group.

realize once you start trying to optimize using legal means, you quickly run into the boundaries, and as soon as you achieve an advantage, it's pretty much unfair at that point.

so you are never going to optimize without hitting the boundary.

and this is why PED use is forever, going to be a major issue.

but, now you don't have a 10.5 second 100m guy going 9.8 and on the podium

you have 10.5 guys - cheating only somewhat and going 9.99.

or you have guys in countries that are not tested, with some clue of how to cheat, on the podium

there is your sport and PEDs.

really no one with any great talent would want to enter this fray.

it is a fluke to get top talent to go into track.

it is a niche sport, where the rulers try to kill it, destroy it into oblivion.

then again, that is the pro sports sector.

really, what has pro sports done for you?????

only entertainment. right?

go for a run.

i'm off for the workout - an no one gives a crap.

it's all about me.

reindeer milk wrote:

At his age, it's just not possible. He and his brothers are doping like crazy.

I would normally agree, but the fact is that this kid has had a camera on him everyday since 2013 through the NRK show Team Ingebrigtsen. This show literally follows them overseas when they go on altitude camps, has cameras in their home etc. NRK is a government owned broadcaster. I think it would be impossible to successfully hide your doping across 3 separate athletes for 6 years from the cameras. This would mean that if they were doping, NRK would be aware of it and, then said nothing. This seems very unlikely, because if it came out they were doping and NRK kept it hush, it would absolutely ruin the legitimacy of the organisation, it would be a bonafide cover up from literally a wing of the Norwegian government-Russia esque.

You have to remember that Jakob’s situation is literally unlike any runner in the world. Name one athlete that, since the age of 13, has been training like a professional, altitude training and all, with two 3:31 guys as training partners. The dads obviously been able to trial and error with the first two and get to a refined method with the last one. What I think, however, is that he’s not going to get much faster, because his training age is so old. He’s 18 on paper, but by the time he’s 23 he’ll have been doing this for 10 years. I’m not sure if there’s much of an upside on him, might peak in Tokyo and that’s that.

There's a HUGE difference between 3:36 and 3:30.

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

I haven't watched every episode but their reality show the past 3 years have had a common theme: 3 workouts week in the form of fartlek, intervals, hills, and tempo. Steady mileage in between, cross training stationary bike, elliptical, swimming. A lot of times in the early years Jakob would step off track and just be done because he was sick of it and you could tell the kid wasn't into it.

One episode in particular they were at the doctors and Jakob was having some tendon pain attributed to his growth plates the Dad was adamant about still getting the session so he had Jakob run 1/2 the session in trainers. Later the Dad asked young Jakob if he wanted to join the younger sisters for just training and competing at the school level the Dad mentioned to the interviewer this isn't for everybody...

Most of the Africans at the top of the sport are doping like crazy too. I see no problem with Europeans/Americans doing the same. It isn't cheating if everyone does it

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fred wrote:

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You don't seem like the sharpest knife..

You sound like a plastic knife used to scratch a hemmy-roid.