Letesenbet Gidey runs 44:20 15k, SMASHES WR. Equivalent to a 13:42 5000!

Did you even watch the 10km final at worlds? It wasn't a time trial, and her final mile was astounding. This board is full of idiots.

So you REALLY think 2 months of whatever wonder drug you think she's on would cause her performance to increase THAT dramatically?? Speaking of making sense... Ever thought that maybe that 30:21 wasn't her actual potential being maximized???

Juicy fruit? wrote:

I don't say it's impossible for a woman to run 44:20 at 15 k road, but I say It's impossible to do that extreme improvement from a 30:21 10000m PB in just two months! I suspect she ran the WC and then went back home to Ethiopia and did what caused this result. There is no other explanation for this that makes sense.

Hasay is a marathoner and Rowbury is a 15/5 runner. It's weird how you're trying to make this a gender thing. I'm female, and do not see the accusations as gender specific. If a male runner had recorded a 27:21 over 10km from 2 months previous, then ran his last 10km in 26:19 of a 15km race, then bells should go off. Stop making this something that it's not.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

So you REALLY think 2 months of whatever wonder drug you think she's on would cause her performance to increase THAT dramatically?? Speaking of making sense...

Ever thought that maybe that 30:21 wasn't her actual potential being maximized???

Juicy fruit? wrote:

I don't say it's impossible for a woman to run 44:20 at 15 k road, but I say It's impossible to do that extreme improvement from a 30:21 10000m PB in just two months! I suspect she ran the WC and then went back home to Ethiopia and did what caused this result. There is no other explanation for this that makes sense.

2 months? Absolutely. 4 weeks is sufficient, depending on the mechanism of action. Blood transfusions are immediate, in fact.

I'm too lazy to read back through the thread, but were you the one throwing around the term "bio passport" as if it is some type of doping method?

Gidey was named to run her first half marathon in Delhi but didn’t start. Would have been interested in that time, if she ran. Do you think long term she is the one to have a rivalry with kosgei over the classic distance? Or Jemeli, or Azimeraw?

She is faster than my former clubmate, Bob Holt (Hercules Wimbledon A.C.), circa 1972-1980.

Bob Holt.

1500 3.51

3000- 7.59

5000- 13.48

10,000-28.39

10 miles -48.00

marathon-2.16

I am comparing her time to Holt's 10 mile time (48.00), as if she had continued to 10 miles, she would have ran around 47.40.

Is her performance legit ? Possible. Is it artificially aided ? Also possible. We are all sitting on the fence for the moment. Too much speculation.

The Dutch manager, Hermens, would have too much to lose if he were implicated, and it would throw doubt on all his former athletes' and present athletes performances, uncluding Kenny B.

For all of those who attribute this, the fastest women's performance over ANY DISTANCE (even surpasses FloJo's fake 100m time) to a "perfect stride" and "better mentality": what kind of performance from a woman (who previously has not set any records) would raise a red flag for you? 27:55 for 10K? 27:30? 62:55 for the half? 2:09 for the marathon? Sub-4:00 mile? Because at this rate, with the mysterious African women in bouncy castle shoes, we are heading towards those times sooner than later.

So, your hypothetical shoes apparently don't work for men huh? I guess that's why we don't have a sub 3:40 men's mile right? If there was some cheat factor it would be affecting everyone, not just the women's times.

Never Go FULL RETARD wrote:

For all of those who attribute this, the fastest women's performance over ANY DISTANCE (even surpasses FloJo's fake 100m time) to a "perfect stride" and "better mentality": what kind of performance from a woman (who previously has not set any records) would raise a red flag for you? 27:55 for 10K? 27:30? 62:55 for the half? 2:09 for the marathon? Sub-4:00 mile? Because at this rate, with the mysterious African women in bouncy castle shoes, we are heading towards those times sooner than later.

Never Go FULL RETARD wrote:

bouncy castle shoes

bouncy castle huh? You must be a Java developer who can't even break 10 minutes in the mile.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

So, your hypothetical shoes apparently don't work for men huh? I guess that's why we don't have a sub 3:40 men's mile right? If there was some cheat factor it would be affecting everyone, not just the women's times.

Never Go FULL RETARD wrote:

For all of those who attribute this, the fastest women's performance over ANY DISTANCE (even surpasses FloJo's fake 100m time) to a "perfect stride" and "better mentality": what kind of performance from a woman (who previously has not set any records) would raise a red flag for you? 27:55 for 10K? 27:30? 62:55 for the half? 2:09 for the marathon? Sub-4:00 mile? Because at this rate, with the mysterious African women in bouncy castle shoes, we are heading towards those times sooner than later.

Hmm, let me think about the last time an African came out of left field to break a tough world record....

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

So, your hypothetical shoes apparently don't work for men huh? I guess that's why we don't have a sub 3:40 men's mile right? If there was some cheat factor it would be affecting everyone, not just the women's times.

Never Go FULL RETARD wrote:

For all of those who attribute this, the fastest women's performance over ANY DISTANCE (even surpasses FloJo's fake 100m time) to a "perfect stride" and "better mentality": what kind of performance from a woman (who previously has not set any records) would raise a red flag for you? 27:55 for 10K? 27:30? 62:55 for the half? 2:09 for the marathon? Sub-4:00 mile? Because at this rate, with the mysterious African women in bouncy castle shoes, we are heading towards those times sooner than later.

No, but we do have a sub 2 hour marathon and a 58 minute half marathon. That's close enough.

Nothing said about second and third. Evaline Chirchir in 46.33 second

Eva Cherono third 48.04

Why are there about forty posts on this thread already by one person? Gidey was a known up and coming athlete for years now and was terrific at World's, just lacking the speed to challenge Hassan in the end. This performance must have the caveat that it was a road race and so we do not know that the distance or the splits were accurate. She has male pacers/men to run with and maybe draft off of, I don't know, so that in itself would allow a woman to break 29 on the track. She has the cheater shoes, which account for maybe as much as a minute--if they can be three minutes in a marathon, maybe in a 15k, which is well over a third of a marathon, they are at least a minute. That in itself would put this close to the previous best.

She said that she will run faster next time and that it wasn't hard. She looked fantastic at the end. But all that being said, the splits are absurd; the total time is absurd; and the doping is off the charts in Ethiopia and with Hermens' athletes. A lot to lose? He was using an Operation Puerto doctor. "Lucky" for him that they didn't publish the results of the tests. He uses Healing Hans. He gives interviews recommending permitting drugs in competition. He was a blood doper. He's also had the doping doctor Pieter Vergouwen his stable, according to a Swedish article.

Of course, Hermens denies all this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics-claims-over-a-doping-network-are-crazy-says-hermens-425356.html

But look at all the recent positives in Kenya after they started actually testing and publishing some of the results.

Kenya was getting off scot-free and now we can see doping was and is rampant. The same will be seen for Ethiopia eventually. And to those who say how can a poor country cheat where first Worlders can't? Well, Hermens and his doctors insure this.

why are there dozens (ok, at least half by the same shill) of posts about an east african man on the most powerful drugs known to man?

I mean who the hell cares?? Why even have these events if they're just going to let blatant cheaters run?

She didn't run to her potential are you fucking retarded lol you're saying she was running to loose and in only 2 months or so she improved over a minute on her 10k time and ran an extra 5k at that sure you senile moron haha know when to take a loss because you're clearly a looser

WhiteKnights wrote:

She didn't run to her potential are you fucking retarded lol you're saying she was running to loose and in only 2 months or so she improved over a minute on her 10k time and ran an extra 5k at that sure you senile moron haha know when to take a loss because you're clearly a looser

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Her debut at 10000m was a time trial and Worlds definitely wasn't a time trial. I think that is the point some posters are making; therefore, not an indicator of her true potential at 10000m. The 15km was a time trial she specifically set out to run as fast as possible, should had done the same on the track in 2019 Im sure she could have approached sub 29:35 for 10000m.

No way in hell was this a clean performance. How people can even remotely consider this legitimate is beyond me. It should be stricken based on absurdity alone prior to any testing.

She was already a sub 30 10k type at World's. Was Hassan really just a low 30s runner there? It was obvious Gidey was much better than that, but this is off the hook--she averaged about 29:33 per 10k here. Only a Chinese doper and two Ethiopians have run faster over 10000m on the track than that pace she sustained for 50% more in this race over 7 hills. All-time #2 and #3 in the 10000m were run at a BARELY better pace than this. #4 all-time, run by a 14:11 5000m runner who still holds the wr for that event, is 9 seconds per 10k slower than this pace. #8 all-time, Defar, ran 14:12 for 5000m.

All-time women's best 10 000m

1 29:17.45 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Rio de Janeiro 12.08.2016

2 29:31.78 Wang Junxia CHN 09.01.73 1 Beijing 08.09.1993

3 29:32.53 Vivian Cheruiyot KEN 11.09.83 2 Rio de Janeiro 12.08.2016

4 29:42.56 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH 01.06.85 3 Rio de Janeiro 12.08.2016

5 29:53.51 Alice Nawowuna KEN 11.03.94 4 Rio de Janeiro 12.08.2016

6 29:53.80 Meselech Melkamu ETH 19.04.85 1 Utrecht 14.06.2009

7 29:54.66 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH 01.06.85 1 Beijing 15.08.2008

8 29:59.20 Meseret Defar ETH 19.11.83 1 Birmingham 11.07.2009

All-time women's best 5000m

1 14:11.15 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH 01.06.85 1 Oslo 06.06.2008

2 14:12.59 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Roma 02.06.2016

3 14:12.88 Meseret Defar ETH 19.11.83 1 Stockholm 22.07.2008

4 14:14.32 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Shanghai 17.05.2015

5 14:15.41 Genzebe Dibaba ETH 08.02.91 1 Saint-Denis 04.07.2015

6 14:16.31 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Rabat 22.05.2016

7 14:16.63 Meseret Defar ETH 19.11.83 1 Oslo 15.06.2007

8 14:18.37 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 Roma 08.06.2017

9 14:18.89 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Bruxelles 09.09.2016

10 14:19.76 Genzebe Dibaba ETH 08.02.91 1 Eugene 30.05.2015

11 14:20.36 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 London 21.07.2019

12 14:20.68 Agnes Tirop KEN 23.10.95 2 London 21.07.2019

13 14:20.87 Vivian Cheruiyot KEN 11.09.83 1 Stockholm 29.07.2011

14 14:21.29 Genzebe Dibaba ETH 08.02.91 1 Oslo 11.06.2015

15 14:21.75 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 Rabat 13.07.2018

16 14:21.97 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 2 Saint-Denis 04.07.2015

17 14:22.12 Sifan Hassan NED 01.01.93 3 London 21.07.2019

18 14:22.34 Sifan Hassan NED 01.01.93 2 Rabat 13.07.2018

19 14:22.47 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 Shanghai 13.05.2017

20 14:22.51 Vivian Cheruiyot KEN 11.09.83 2 Oslo 15.06.2007

21 14:23.14 Letesenbet Gidey ETH 20.03.98 3 Rabat 13.07.2018