Jakob Ingebrigtsen will easily win WCh 5000m

The entire Tour de France was replete with dopers and may still be. The vast majority of those riders were of European ancestry and European themselves. The Eastern Bloc was competing doped all those years and their records and performances and medals are still protected by the IAAF's European powers. Russia continued to dope all its competitors or nearly all in the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s after the fall of communism. Many xc and downhill skiers from around Europe, Austria, Norway, Sweden, France, Italy have been caught doping. Spain's athletics programs have been full of dopers, epitomized by the suppressed findings of Operation Puerto. I could go on. So, don't for a second tell us that whites or Europeans are not and cannot be dopers. That is just the height of absurdity.

Aaleby wrote:

appri wrote:

link?

In Norwegian:

https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/det-er-helt-sykt/71636732

Yeah, "Filip saying so" doesn't really constitute proof for me.

Are you even remotely familiar with cross country skiing and cycling? Like cycling, XC skiing has a history of significant doping issues, often times involving athletes from "nice" northern European countries. Sorry, but Norway has dopers, so your argument sounds nice on paper but doesn't really stand up to what is actually happening. Norway athletes may be subjected to more doping tests, but its athletes also have better access to the newest technologies designed to beat the tests. So it all evens out at the end.

I don't have any idea if Jakob I is doping, but to say he is not because he is from Norway is pretty ridiculous and not supported by history.

Please name one Norwegian doper the last 30 years beside Steffen Kjærgaard (naming Johaug would just expose you as clueless). Jacob has been an insane talent since he was a child. The clearest sign that Bolt was clean; he was an insane talent when he was young as well.

appri wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

In Norwegian:

https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/det-er-helt-sykt/71636732

Yeah, "Filip saying so" doesn't really constitute proof for me.

You really think he would lie about some thing that easy to expose? Any journalist could find out the truth by taking one or two phone calls. Easy as that.

Aaleby wrote:

appri wrote:

Yeah, "Filip saying so" doesn't really constitute proof for me.

You really think he would lie about some thing that easy to expose? Any journalist could find out the truth by taking one or two phone calls. Easy as that.

I think he would exaggerate, yes.

You can make a religion out of anything - including the way you see the world. Your fervour matches that of any mystic.

rekrunner wrote:

I see you also don't stick to the evidence.

When are you going to stick to the "evidence" and finally acknowledge that there's a major doping problem with Kenyan athletes? Just a few days ago Albert Rop, an imported Kenyan to Bahrain, and a 12:51 speedster, was hit with a whereabouts violation.

How many Kenyans does this make for doping busts in just this year alone? (CAS is going to be quite busy hearing all those cases). Plus Kenya is on the IAAF's infamous "Most likely to dope" watch list. And what are you going to say if a Kenyan gets popped IC at Doha?

So, since you research doping quite extensively and seem to project that you know more about this subject than most everyone else on this forum - why is there so many doping busts with the world's greatest distance runners?

appri wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

You really think he would lie about some thing that easy to expose? Any journalist could find out the truth by taking one or two phone calls. Easy as that.

I think he would exaggerate, yes.

Wouldnt the point still stand if the truth was 50 times instead of 70?

Jakob Ingebrigtsen will NOT WIN THE WC 5000M. He needs to beat Paul Chelimo and that isn't going to happen. What I find interesting is that Wejo is loosing his jizz over some dude who is NOT an American. Wejo, is it because Paul Chelimo is not white? Paul Chelimo is an American and has served in the US Army. Have you forgotten that?

Aaleby wrote:

You really think he would lie about some thing that easy to expose? Any journalist could find out the truth by taking one or two phone calls. Easy as that.

I believe him, but it doesn't matter anyway. Any doper with a brain and an advanced doping program won't be caught by doping tests. Actually dopers tend to like them a lot because they can claim "but I got tested xyz times" when questioned (alongside "I work very hard" which is always true btw, but still doesn't mean the hard work is done without the support of PEDs). The sad thing is there always will be those naive kids who are probably quite new to the sport and therefore continue to defend their heroes with the same lame reasoning others already heard zillion times before when discussing about Armstrong etc.

Please name one Norwegian doper the last 30 years beside Steffen Kjærgaard (naming Johaug would just expose you as clueless). Jacob has been an insane talent since he was a child. The clearest sign that Bolt was clean; he was an insane talent when he was young as well.[/quote]

Sorry, you don’t get to pick and choose who counts and who doesn’t. If someone was banned for doping, they have to be considered to be someone who doped. It is the only objective measurement we have. So yes, Johaug was suspended for doping, and she counts. Here is a list of more than 20 Norwegians in doping cases. Go ahead and look them all up and find excuses for all of them. I am sure Kenyans make up phony excuses for all their doping athletes as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Norwegian_sportspeople_in_doping_cases

Also, there is the excessive use of TUEs by Norwegian athletes. TUEs are not technically doping, but their widespread use by Norwegian athletes (and this is not limited to Norway) shows a certain mindset. No way are that many world class Norwegian cross country skiers asthmatic, Sundby included.

The fact that JI was talented when he was 11 is a piece of evidence that indicates he doesn’t dope; the fact that he is from Norway is not. My point is not that JI is a doper – I don’t have any proof about that one way or the other and without any evidence to the contrary I am fine to give him the benefit of the doubt. My gripe is that some individuals on these boards just assume that because he is from Norway, he is not a doper. That viewpoint is simply ridiculous.

XC skier wrote:

Please name one Norwegian doper the last 30 years beside Steffen Kjærgaard (naming Johaug would just expose you as clueless). Jacob has been an insane talent since he was a child. The clearest sign that Bolt was clean; he was an insane talent when he was young as well.

Sorry, you don’t get to pick and choose who counts and who doesn’t. If someone was banned for doping, they have to be considered to be someone who doped. It is the only objective measurement we have. So yes, Johaug was suspended for doping, and she counts. Here is a list of more than 20 Norwegians in doping cases. Go ahead and look them all up and find excuses for all of them. I am sure Kenyans make up phony excuses for all their doping athletes as well.

Also, there is the excessive use of TUEs by Norwegian athletes. TUEs are not technically doping, but their widespread use by Norwegian athletes (and this is not limited to Norway) shows a certain mindset. No way are that many world class Norwegian cross country skiers asthmatic, Sundby included.

The fact that JI was talented when he was 11 is a piece of evidence that indicates he doesn’t dope; the fact that he is from Norway is not. My point is not that JI is a doper – I don’t have any proof about that one way or the other and without any evidence to the contrary I am fine to give him the benefit of the doubt. My gripe is that some individuals on these boards just assume that because he is from Norway, he is not a doper. That viewpoint is simply ridiculous.[/quote]

+1

Johaug doesnt count simple because it was stated in the sentence that she didnt gain anything from it. Still technical doping sure, but Johaug aint the enemy of fair play and sportmanship. Thats the point.

Years of hard training in the cold makes lots of ppl asthmatic. A current study by WADA will try to close that door for good, but as its legal, whats the problem?

Ofc Norwegian professionals can be doped as well, but they will be seen as outlaws by the society if caught in contrast to most countries where the majoritet doesnt care and believes that everyone else does it anyway so why bother. The fall would be enormous and the chance of getting caught significant larger because of the high frequency of tests.

Aaleby wrote:

Ofc Norwegian professionals can be doped as well, but they will be seen as outlaws by the society if caught in contrast to most countries where the majoritet doesnt care and believes that everyone else does it anyway so why bother. The fall would be enormous and the chance of getting caught significant larger because of the high frequency of tests.

Lol, do you really believe this bullshit you write??

Now he can not as he has DQed

idiot of the day wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

Ofc Norwegian professionals can be doped as well, but they will be seen as outlaws by the society if caught in contrast to most countries where the majoritet doesnt care and believes that everyone else does it anyway so why bother. The fall would be enormous and the chance of getting caught significant larger because of the high frequency of tests.

Lol, do you really believe this bullshit you write??

Bullshit? To become a doper you need motivation aka the chance of fame and gaining loads of money. Then its simple a cynical calculation. Upsides minus downsides. In Norway the downsides will be far greater and the upsides increasingly fewer then in most other countries. Both because its nearly impossible to be really poor, the higher chance of getting caught and because of how the society looks upon doping. Difficult to believe when you are an outsider, but that doesnt make it any less true.

Aaleby wrote:

Bullshit? To become a doper you need motivation aka the chance of fame and gaining loads of money. Then its simple a cynical calculation. Upsides minus downsides. In Norway the downsides will be far greater and the upsides increasingly fewer then in most other countries. Both because its nearly impossible to be really poor, the higher chance of getting caught and because of how the society looks upon doping. Difficult to believe when you are an outsider, but that doesnt make it any less true.

Thanks, but I am from a western country too where you could claim exactly the same things, and still I think this belongs to the dumbest posts I read here for a long time. Grow up, you don't understand anything about the topic.

Confirmed on the IAAF website - Jakob is out because he stepped over the rail in the 5,000 heats