To those who say ALL elites are doping, what exactly are they on?

mooonshot wrote:

As a matter of fact, I am not a hobby jogger. Was professional for quite some time. I believe there is much placebo with EPO and believe some of what Canova says about impact on trained elite athletes born and living and training at altitude. In my experience, drugs cannot fix biomechanics and natural ability. In that case, then you could be a world record holder. You cannot, because that is not how drugs work. Also, the main benefit of Actovegin is recovery from injury. That is #1. You get back from injury faster. But guess what, you were still injured. Drugs do not prevent injuries. Training is what separates the elite of the elite. Look at Kamworor this weekend defeat all Kenyans, in Kenya, at altitude, running 27:50 with 2nd place in 28:30. Absolute crushing the competition. He is a running freak among freaks, all things being equal including doping. You need to understand this.

Coevett wrote:

ponderer of ponds wrote:

To those who say ALL elites, are doping, what exactly are they on?

I would guess that those who say ALL elites are doping are on a number of things. For example, Casual Observer is likely on the payroll of the Russian Intelligence Service. Rekrunner, although he doesn't strictly say ALL elites are doping, he says that all elites who are doping are getting no benefit, well I think he is likely on the payroll of either the IAAF or perhaps Aden's group or maybe Jos Hermen's. Others, I suspect are simply on a cocktail of drugs (non peds) which can create delusions, such as marijuana and ecstasy. And of course, there are the elite or sub-elite dopers themselves - like 'ex-runner' - who wish to excuse their doping through the claim that everybody else is doing it. Then there are a few individuals like ArmostrongLive who I think are just jaded and crushed by the doping scandals and now refuse to believe anybody can be clean at the top.

Who can ya trust? wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I would guess that those who say ALL elites are doping are on a number of things. For example, Casual Observer is likely on the payroll of the Russian Intelligence Service. Rekrunner, although he doesn't strictly say ALL elites are doping, he says that all elites who are doping are getting no benefit, well I think he is likely on the payroll of either the IAAF or perhaps Aden's group or maybe Jos Hermen's. Others, I suspect are simply on a cocktail of drugs (non peds) which can create delusions, such as marijuana and ecstasy. And of course, there are the elite or sub-elite dopers themselves - like 'ex-runner' - who wish to excuse their doping through the claim that everybody else is doing it. Then there are a few individuals like ArmostrongLive who I think are just jaded and crushed by the doping scandals and now refuse to believe anybody can be clean at the top.

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Coevett wrote:

ponderer of ponds wrote:

To those who say ALL elites, are doping, what exactly are they on?

I would guess that those who say ALL elites are doping are on a number of things. For example, Casual Observer is likely on the payroll of the Russian Intelligence Service. Rekrunner, although he doesn't strictly say ALL elites are doping, he says that all elites who are doping are getting no benefit, well I think he is likely on the payroll of either the IAAF or perhaps Aden's group or maybe Jos Hermen's. Others, I suspect are simply on a cocktail of drugs (non peds) which can create delusions, such as marijuana and ecstasy. And of course, there are the elite or sub-elite dopers themselves - like 'ex-runner' - who wish to excuse their doping through the claim that everybody else is doing it. Then there are a few individuals like ArmostrongLive who I think are just jaded and crushed by the doping scandals and now refuse to believe anybody can be clean at the top.

I hope that answer's the OP's question.