"Running bravely." What does that mean anyway? Plotting a strategy to get a medal and actually getting that medal is pretty admirable. Domingos Castro was "brave" in Seoul in the 5000. It got him fourth place. Simpson has two Olympic medals and a world title.
As We Speak wrote:
"Running bravely." What does that mean anyway? Plotting a strategy to get a medal and actually getting that medal is pretty admirable. Domingos Castro was "brave" in Seoul in the 5000. It got him fourth place. Simpson has two Olympic medals and a world title.
Castro took his best bet, if he had not enforced the tempo in the hope to catch Ngugi he would very probably have been outkicked anyway. And it turned out that he had not done enough to weaken the fast kickers. And also Ngugi (who had been at least as "brave", not to say foolhardy) managed to keep his lead, Castro's strategy failed, Ngugi's and Baumann's succeeded, so it goes. It's not even bad luck, not unfair at all, it was just the way the race turned out.
It's quite notable that none of the American or the British congratulated Dibaba at the end of this race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwkh-Xqirog
a lot of rivalry, lack of good spirit, cold war and maybe some arrogance too...
But I'm quite sure that some runners here will be the last representative of some old fashioned concepts (as matter of facts).
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Bad Wigins wrote:
big PB nearly 3 seconds and apparently 1st sub 4 for cute Moroccan Ra-babe Arafi.
Remember the last cute Moroccan gal that was crushing it?
There have been none so cute as Rababe, and none ever with "babe" in their name.
This is not about the dope, this is about she is better looking than Dibaba. Her smile in particular. She will make a great superstar.
skyboy wrote:
How does Dibaba even get invited to these things? It's like everyone forgets her coach was found in a hotel room with like 100 needles and epo. Now she's almost back in PR shape and it's all good?
Because it is ok to cheat and use drugs unless we want to make an example of things, like the East Germans of the 70s and 80s , Ben Johnson who dared beat Carl Lewis and this must be doping even if everybody else was too, or Russians from the past dozen years . But Jamaican or US sprinters or East African runners? Bring on the performance enhancing drugs, see no evil hear no evil.
And no I’m not East African, I am North African.
Rankerchief wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
Race was very fast today in Rabat. Messageboard poster Douglas Burke reports that Simpson is now the 1st American to have broken 4:00 10 times in her career. Next most is convicted PED user Mary Slaney with 8.
1500 Metres - Women - Diamond Discipline
Pts
1 Dibaba , Genzebe ETH 3:55.47 8
2 Hassan , Sifan NED 3:55.93 7
3 Tsegay , Gudaf ETH 3:57.40 6
4 Arafi , Rababe MAR 3:58.84 5
5 Embaye , Axumawit ETH 3:59.02 4
6 Nanyondo , Winnie UGA 3:59.56 3
7 Simpson , Jenny USA 3:59.83 2
8 DeBues-Stafford , Gabriela CAN 4:00.46 1
9 McColgan , Eilish GBR 4:00.97
10 McDonald , Sarah GBR 4:01.50
11 Hailu , Lemlem ETH 4:02.97
12 Hilali , Siham MAR 4:05.80
13 Chebet , Winny KEN 4:13.31
14 Kiplangat , Josephine Chelangat KEN 4:16.17
Guerrero , Esther ESP DNF
Ivanova , Ilona BLR DNF
Leader splits were 61.8, 2;05.04, 3:07.75 Last lap of 63.98,
https://livecache.sportresult.com/node/binaryData/ATH_PROD/RABAT2019/PDF_ARE1130040.PDF?h=JoLuzvzHAxu2Z5xSg+0E4pdoyZE=I’m also fairly certain that Simpson’s the first women to break 4:00 10 years apart (2009/2019)—not just American, but altogether.
A ten year span for Podkopayeva (1984/1994). Others?
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/russia/yekaterina-podkopayeva-61520Malika Akkaoui is not bad too but as Rababe Arafi she dont have resistance for long distances; that's why they always managed to get all world championship but they never get to the first place. You can, take a look at both Moroccan runners here in "1500m women final IAAF World Athletics Championships 2015 Beijing", with Dibaba, Muir, Sifan and the American Simpson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJigR1qr8kU
But if you want to know who is the best female Moroccan middle distance runner in the last 20 years it's undoubtedly the Marrakchi Hasna Benhassi ; this one a real natural freak which won several worldwide medals on 800m distance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCtal7MbG8w
with Hassina Boulmerka in the 90s, we are lacking in North Africa of such talents.
Give me a break. There's nothing courageous about front running and blowing up vs. closing well for a medal. If you want to see "pathetic", watch Webb in the 2005 World Championship final.
stop watching without limits wrote:
Give me a break. There's nothing courageous about front running and blowing up vs. closing well for a medal. If you want to see "pathetic", watch Webb in the 2005 World Championship final.
agreed
i agree.for the most part the usa gets to dope away en masse,and they get a free pass.literally thousands of their athletes are on cocktails of drugs,in track and field alone,especially when you include their collegians,and top high schoolers.it possibly tens of thousands.ive also noticed the jamaicans,dutch,scandinavians,british,french,and some others also get away with it far too easily.obviously theyre all protected,somehow.
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honest question wrote:
So righteous one, please tell us how fast a woman can run without doping? Give us your imaginary figure beyond which no real actual undoped woman can run a 1500m race.
"Righteous"? Seriously? You're now giving me $hit because I don't sing the praises of a woman who broke a doped Chinese record and whose coach was found with preloaded epo syringes and steroids? Your silly questions of limits have nothing to do with those facts, which is 1000% what I am referring to. Heaping compliments and maintaining blind adulation on Dibaba is off-putting; and as stated, complicit to the cancer of drugs in athletics.
I don't know how you know so much about Aden? So he was in the same hotel as some other athletes and a drug peddler?
Do you doubt Dibaba's ability? Do you know that Aden is doping her?
Nice catch!
honest question wrote:
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"Righteous"? Seriously? You're now giving me $hit because I don't sing the praises of a woman who broke a doped Chinese record and whose coach was found with preloaded epo syringes and steroids? Your silly questions of limits have nothing to do with those facts, which is 1000% what I am referring to. Heaping compliments and maintaining blind adulation on Dibaba is off-putting; and as stated, complicit to the cancer of drugs in athletics.
I don't know how you know so much about Aden? So he was in the same hotel as some other athletes and a drug peddler?
Do you doubt Dibaba's ability? Do you know that Aden is doping her?
I think you'd be shocked to know the identity of some of the posters that frequent these boards. Yes, Aden was in the room next to a physio from Saudi Arabia. The physio had all the preloaded epo and anabolics (2 types) in his room, as well as another room being occupied by one of Aden's athletes, Mousaeb Balla. Balla was sharing a room with a Yemeni athlete. The claim is that all the epo was the Yemeni's. Under surveillance, Aden was seen multiple times dispatching of needles and "injection materials" throughout Sabadell, taking different routes each time and using different waste bins. Note also that two of Aden's athletes have been sanctioned previously: Driouch and Traby. Aden was last seen in Qatar, and is wanted by Interpol. He faces a possible 4 years in Spanish prison.
As for Dibaba's ability to run 3:50 clean- yes, I doubt it sincerely. Note her inability to even run 1000m at the same pace for a significant period post bust.
Rumour is that Aden is still training Soulieman and Dibaba. Note that they have the same agent, Juan Pineda. Also note that Pineda also manages Kiptum (recently flagged blood passport prior to London), as well as Mikou.
Until Dibaba is caught with needles, I don't care about her coach/agent. My agent (years later) was busted as having doping paraphernalia and yet I was never compromised. My middle school and high school daughters both have multiple teammates on their cross country teams that start every race with inhalers and one mom even hands our #2 runner her inhaler at half way. I think that's doping. You might disagree.
wafer wrote:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Exactly. I thought it was hilarious when Simpson was clapping and celebrating while coming in 7th. That's how absurd this sport has become. She lingered back there in her typical non-threatening position and was totally dependent on everyone in front of her falling apart. Once in a while it works and she collects a medal. But overall it is a scared and pathetic way to race.
Americans are far too accepting of that style because it's been practiced by virtually every top American for 40+ years. At least we occasionally had someone willing to risk the front end, like Johnny Gray. Centrowitz never wins anything if he sits back in that Olympic 1500. Clayton Murphy got flat lucky. I hate to see any American pick up the pieces like that in a major event because it encourages young runners and their coaches to somehow believe that closing style is acceptable.
Anyway, the lost variable in the Rabat race is that Hassan Safan is an absolute idiot in terms of late tactics. It shows up time and again and is the primary reason she runs so well but seldom wins events like that. Her only chance on that final lap was to remain patient and try to surge past Dibaba late. Instead she tried to pass in the middle of the turn. Frontrunners own immense advantage when that stupid ploy is attempted. It showed up time and again at the NCAA Championships. Seemingly fading frontrunners were able to withstand and rebound if the attempt was made too early on the final lap and specifically in the middle of that turn. You can force them wide and never get called for it. Then the leader has a surge of adrenaline once they realize that the rally is faltering and now they've got it made. The margin explodes toward the tape.
You can only attempt a pass at that point if you have a massive class edge over the opponent. That certainly isn't the case with Safan and Dibaba.
Here is the 2013 WC. I didn't see her sitting back in the pack. In fact, she led almost the entire race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgHlFF3Llhc
Trying to front run in a rabbited race against someone whose PR is 7 seconds faster than your own is the definition of stupidity. Let us know how that tactic works out for you in your next Turkey Trot. By the way, if you were watching the race she was in 5th at the bell and faded to 7th at the finish, so it is fairly safe to say she was running pretty much to her limit in this race at this point in the season. Considering she has multiple world championship and Olympic medals I think she probably knows here abilities quite well. But by all means, feel free to criticize her from your parent's basement.
joedirt wrote:
wafer wrote:
Here is the 2013 WC. I didn't see her sitting back in the pack. In fact, she led almost the entire race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgHlFF3LlhcTrying to front run in a rabbited race against someone whose PR is 7 seconds faster than your own is the definition of stupidity. Let us know how that tactic works out for you in your next Turkey Trot. By the way, if you were watching the race she was in 5th at the bell and faded to 7th at the finish, so it is fairly safe to say she was running pretty much to her limit in this race at this point in the season. Considering she has multiple world championship and Olympic medals I think she probably knows here abilities quite well. But by all means, feel free to criticize her from your parent's basement.
Are you talking to me? Where did I criticize Simpson?
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honest question wrote:
I don't know how you know so much about Aden? So he was in the same hotel as some other athletes and a drug peddler?
Do you doubt Dibaba's ability? Do you know that Aden is doping her?
I think you'd be shocked to know the identity of some of the posters that frequent these boards. Yes, Aden was in the room next to a physio from Saudi Arabia. The physio had all the preloaded epo and anabolics (2 types) in his room, as well as another room being occupied by one of Aden's athletes, Mousaeb Balla. Balla was sharing a room with a Yemeni athlete. The claim is that all the epo was the Yemeni's. Under surveillance, Aden was seen multiple times dispatching of needles and "injection materials" throughout Sabadell, taking different routes each time and using different waste bins. Note also that two of Aden's athletes have been sanctioned previously: Driouch and Traby. Aden was last seen in Qatar, and is wanted by Interpol. He faces a possible 4 years in Spanish prison.
As for Dibaba's ability to run 3:50 clean- yes, I doubt it sincerely. Note her inability to even run 1000m at the same pace for a significant period post bust.
Rumour is that Aden is still training Soulieman and Dibaba. Note that they have the same agent, Juan Pineda. Also note that Pineda also manages Kiptum (recently flagged blood passport prior to London), as well as Mikou.
Whether she is doping or not, I don't doubt her ability to run 1500 just ten seconds faster than me. She probably has, I'm guessing 26.5 second 200 speed 55 or so for 400. And her 5000m ability is much better than mine too. And she had all of this before she met Aden.
I wouldn't be shocked to know the identity of people posting here. But if rojo believed the what you claim is evidence about Aden (I'm not saying whether I believe it or not, I have no idea) then why doesn't rojo ask Genzebe Dibaba directly if Aden is doping her? Like the guy who confronted Lance way back in 1999, and you could see that Lance was lying.
honest question wrote:
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"Righteous"? Seriously? You're now giving me $hit because I don't sing the praises of a woman who broke a doped Chinese record and whose coach was found with preloaded epo syringes and steroids? Your silly questions of limits have nothing to do with those facts, which is 1000% what I am referring to. Heaping compliments and maintaining blind adulation on Dibaba is off-putting; and as stated, complicit to the cancer of drugs in athletics.
I don't know how you know so much about Aden? So he was in the same hotel as some other athletes and a drug peddler?
Do you doubt Dibaba's ability? Do you know that Aden is doping her?
He's her coach. So he was using it for himself?
We've moved on from that question to another one. Try to keep up.
honest question wrote:
I don't know how you know so much about Aden? So he was in the same hotel as some other athletes and a drug peddler?
And he paid the room for the drug peddler and all the athletes.
And he has a history of coaching drug cheats.
And he was caught dropping used syringes all over town.
And he is being prosecuted for his doping crimes.
All facts, right?