Lance Armstrong is still a Proud, Clueless, @@@hole

To focus on the positive though: Lance's rise in fame lead to Livestrong....which has raised tons and tons of money for cancer research, treatment, and help/hope people in need. So there's that.

Armstrong cheated according to the rules of the sport. So did most of the greatest cyclists of all time. The reason he is reviled, as many have said, is because of his aggressive attitude towards anyone who went against him. If you were to be fair then Merckx would also be vilified for drug use and more skepticism would surround Indurain than it does today. Armstrong sort of took the light off all of the other cheats in the sport.

However, it is very easy to say that Lance did significantly more good than harm with his cancer organization and for cycling in the US. Trek basically has him to thank for launching their brand to new heights.

I think some people get so caught up in the fact that he cheated that they do not see the bigger picture which is that in this one particular instance cheating probably did the world a favor. I would not be sorry if I was him either. This probably would not be the case for most cheats, but his story was too good not to capitalize on. His story is also why he is mentioned far more than any other cheaters in a sport that has had many.

Interesting post given your user name.

facts and reason wrote:

That is Rich wrote:

Funniest part about this is that it was started by a trump fan

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Different polls, with Trump’s number coming from the republican skewing Rasmussen. Nonetheless, a reflection of Trump’s high point and Obama’s low point.

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“But Trump was honored for his work as a successful developer in New York City and his German heritage, Coca said, not for helping inner city youth.“ - fact checked

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We’d love to believe that Trump has given money to any charity not named after himself. Maybe he’ll show us the records someday?

Ehso wrote:

Rojo wants you to think this post is a joke, but it really isn’t. Any time something he does gets the slightest bit of positive attention, rojo does his best to make the story about him and how great of a job he did. It’s happened many times over the years, it’s cringeworthy, it’s unprofessional, and it’s time for him to grow up.

Dude, so you are mad because I posted under my personal account that Lance Armstrong read one of my articles. You don't think the average Letsrunner would want to know that Lance Armstrong comes to the site? I think they would .

I don't think it's cringeworthy at all. Nike, adidas, Underarmor, etc pay celebrities to use their products.

I point out that a celebrity uses my product for free and you call it cringeworthy? Please explain.

Middle Ground wrote:

Did anyone actually read the entire article? Or just the headline. He said he wouldn't change because he learned important lessons from being a dick and getting caught. He's not saying the doping was okay, but that acting the way he did put a target on him and forced him to come to terms with his actions:

"Primarily, I wouldn’t change the lessons that I’ve learned. I don’t learn all the lessons if I don’t act that way. I don’t get investigated and sanctioned if I don’t act the way I acted.

“If I just doped and didn’t say a thing, none of that would have happened. None of it. I was begging for, I was asking for them to come after me. It was an easy target.”

Yes the headline was horrific journalism.

He basically almost said he would change things. He wouldn't have used the cancer shit to rip into other people and act like an ahole.

S. Canaday wrote:

Just because "everybody" was doing it doesn't make it right. Of course many humans can justify anything in their own heads...

It is an embarrassment that LetsRun has Lance as a quote of the day. Lance (and all dopers) is/are an embarrassment to athletic endurance sports. I was like 8-10 years old when Lance was crushing it in the tour and I had a strong feeling back then that he was a dirty as they come.

Wow sage. At age 8-10you knew about PEDs? That's amazing. How did you know that?

I give LA credit here. He owns his mistakes. He owns the setbacks and the problems it caused. He has a mature outlook, which shallow and dumb people can not possibly comprehend.

rojo wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

Just because "everybody" was doing it doesn't make it right. Of course many humans can justify anything in their own heads...

It is an embarrassment that LetsRun has Lance as a quote of the day. Lance (and all dopers) is/are an embarrassment to athletic endurance sports. I was like 8-10 years old when Lance was crushing it in the tour and I had a strong feeling back then that he was a dirty as they come.

Wow sage. At age 8-10you knew about PEDs? That's amazing. How did you know that?

He could read at a younger age than you? You actually think it's really unusual that a kid wouldn't know about PEDs?

Lance Fan Here wrote:

You are delusional comparing your situation with Lance Armstrong. We are talking about a someone who accumulated $100+ million personally. We are talking about one of the most recognized names in the world. We are talking about a dude who regularly met with multiple presidents of the United States. Ran with the a-list celebrities in the entertainment and sports world. You are about one quarter of a step above weekend hobby jogger.

It’s not that he’s “better” than you. It’s not as if all of those things I listed are necessarily desirable or good. But to compare your situation is absurd. And it’s not that your situations are similar but just on different scales. It doesn’t work like that. You are not in the same dimension. Very few are or ever have been.

But would Lance have done anything of those things without doping?

I mean Lance talks about losing millions? To me, that's like an Enron exec saying they lost millions once the stock tanked - millions he shouldn't have had.

Now, don't get me wrong. Lance is a sick athlete. He was a few years older than me and I know he was a better runner than I was. Would he have been a TDF champ if no one was on drugs? I don't think anyone knows. I don't assume the best athletes respond the best to drugs. Yes 90% of the Tour was on drugs but that doesn't mean t he best clean athlete won.

rojo wrote:

Please do not rip Lance.

A fellow journalist this week texted me to let me know that in Lance's most recent podcast, he admits to being a reader of my work. As a result, he's now untouchable on here.

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rojo is entering elite status. with the stuff he's doing.

amazing,

I don’t really see it that way. There are written rules of the game and there are de facto rules of the game. Lance didn’t make the de facto rules. But he played by them. He wanted to win the TDF. He wanted to dream big and work hard and compete for the top spot on the podium. Can’t win the tdf if not on the peds. Facts are facts. They don’t care about your feelings.

el hombre wrote:

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“But Trump was honored for his work as a successful developer in New York City and his German heritage, Coca said, not for helping inner city youth.“ - fact checked

Kanye West said, "Liberals bully people who are Trump supporters."

rojo wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

Just because "everybody" was doing it doesn't make it right. Of course many humans can justify anything in their own heads...

It is an embarrassment that LetsRun has Lance as a quote of the day. Lance (and all dopers) is/are an embarrassment to athletic endurance sports. I was like 8-10 years old when Lance was crushing it in the tour and I had a strong feeling back then that he was a dirty as they come.

Wow sage. At age 8-10you knew about PEDs? That's amazing. How did you know that?

Cause he's a genius. It didn't translate into his running though.

I never cared for Armstrong due to his terrible abrasive attitude, which had nothing to do with drugs. However, to say that he destroyed Greg Lemond's life is ridiculous.[/quote][/quote]

rekrunner wrote:

He destroyed Lemond's bicycle brand, estimated at $30 million, and damaged Lemond's legacy.

Lemond destroyed himself, by being such a pompous jackass.

If he'd have focused on himself and his business instead of Armstrong, he would have been fine.

Before he did that I used to consider Lemond a good role model to emulate, but he himself destroyed that notion.

I honestly can't tell if you are being sarcastic Rojo? I assume so.... It is always a surprise to hear people nowadays say they were "Lance believers" though - where they honestly thought he came back from cancer superstrong and did things clean back then. And then they were surprised that he was on PEDs. I guess people like to believe in "superhuman" stories.

rojo wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

Just because "everybody" was doing it doesn't make it right. Of course many humans can justify anything in their own heads...

It is an embarrassment that LetsRun has Lance as a quote of the day. Lance (and all dopers) is/are an embarrassment to athletic endurance sports. I was like 8-10 years old when Lance was crushing it in the tour and I had a strong feeling back then that he was a dirty as they come.

Wow sage. At age 8-10you knew about PEDs? That's amazing. How did you know that?

S. Canaday wrote:

Results and better marginal performances can result in tens of thousands of more dollars each year and the difference in “making it” or not. Now, I’m not saying I’m good enough to be competing as a “great ultra runner” or “world beater” if I was on PEDs...but even a 3-5% boost from where I am at now seems like it would be an enormous advantage.

Seriously, if you're really against drug use in sports, then why do you promote them in this fashion????

Personally, I have no use for drugs, period, and never use them at all, not for anything.

And I certainly don't promote them, by going around and telling people, "hey you could run 5% faster."

No, I don't do that, because that's total hogwash, which comes from people being

brainwashed by drug advertisements, instead of using their brains to think for themselves.

Would he have won in that situation?

You could ask that question of every TDF winner. Seriously. No joke.

I'm sure that sleazy sal, doorbell mo, snaggleteeth radcliffe, elfie rupp, roid chacne centro, beetjuice hasay and roid rage rowbury don't feel ashamed for being doping cheaters also.

Actually Rojo, I owe you an apology for lying (and not being factual) . I admit I exaggerated with my age a little (I was actually quite a bit older than 8-10 years old!)....my bad. I had to recently look up Lance's "wins" to confirm the year....Thought it happened a longer time ago! So I was actually already 13 years old in '99 when Lance started winning. A 13 year old (who had already started competing in distance running and was about to read Jack Daniels Distance Running Formula first edition). Not as uncommon to know abut PEDs at that age. Anyway, just wanted to come clean with that (pun intended). Somewhat back on topic: There was talk about Lance getting into trail running and ultras more and more recently (I guess he was at Western States the same year I was...watching and mingling with the fans). I believe there is a clause now at Western States where if an athlete has tested positive for a PED once before in their life they are not allowed entry into Western States. It can be like that for a lot of private trail-ultra races that don't fall under IAAF/WADA/USATF rules. However of course the drug testing is nearly non-existent in trail-ultras.

S. Canaday wrote:

I honestly can't tell if you are being sarcastic Rojo?

I assume so....

It is always a surprise to hear people nowadays say they were "Lance believers" though - where they honestly thought he came back from cancer superstrong and did things clean back then. And then they were surprised that he was on PEDs. I guess people like to believe in "superhuman" stories.

rojo wrote:

Wow sage. At age 8-10you knew about PEDs? That's amazing. How did you know that?