To be fair wrote:
To be fair, "a good result" for Kipchoge would be at least getting the victory let alone running a fast time, so he was also basically saying he is going to win.
Putting words in someone's mouth isn't fair at all.
To be fair wrote:
To be fair, "a good result" for Kipchoge would be at least getting the victory let alone running a fast time, so he was also basically saying he is going to win.
Putting words in someone's mouth isn't fair at all.
another runner wrote:
Tinman is the American version of coach JS. Both very annoying, both think very highly of themselves, and both try to take credit for things that they shouldn't take credit for.
In other words, someone who would fit right in here.
Side salad wrote:
another runner wrote:
Tinman is the American version of coach JS. Both very annoying, both think very highly of themselves, and both try to take credit for things that they shouldn't take credit for.
In other words, someone who would fit right in here.
Of course he fits in here, Tinman used to post under his own registered handle all the time. I think he mostly just posts anonymously these days.
nice try bro wrote:
Unfair wrote:
If I did things at my job at 80% I’d be fired
So when you are at your job, you are working at 100% of your mental and physical capabilities?
I give 110%
another runner wrote:
Tinman is the American version of coach JS. Both very annoying, both think very highly of themselves, and both try to take credit for things that they shouldn't take credit for.
No way! JS is legit. He has coached three runners sub 2:10 and two winners of international marathons , Valencia and Nice-Cannes . This Tinman will just reach in his wildest dreams , lol.
Ytvytv wrote:
jkespn wrote:
You guys realize that Kipchoge was running marathons before Tinman started training professionals, right? Tinman is in year 2 of serious coaching, unless you call a high school miler serious coaching. I don't.
Tinman was advising Nic Bideau, Craig Mottram's coach, aka, fastest white man in 5k, over a decade ago
Both Baumann and Solinsky ran faster than Buster over 5000m.
Mombasa xc wrote:
No way! JS is legit. He has coached three runners sub 2:10 and two winners of international marathons , Valencia and Nice-Cannes . This Tinman will just reach in his wildest dreams , lol.
+ 1!
kenya pr wrote:
Mombasa xc wrote:
No way! JS is legit. He has coached three runners sub 2:10 and two winners of international marathons , Valencia and Nice-Cannes . This Tinman will just reach in his wildest dreams , lol.
+ 1!
One of his Kenyans won in a China road race 10 k . Time 28:43 .
sdfdfsdfsdf wrote:
kenya pr wrote:
+ 1!
One of his Kenyans won in a China road race 10 k . Time 28:43 .
And one of his Kenyans ran second to the world record holder at half ,Abraham Kiptum , in a Kenya 10 k road race , time 27:47 and just 3 sec behind Kiptum.
rare wrote:
Tinman used to post under his own registered handle all the time. I think he mostly just posts anonymously these days.
You should know, since you just now did it again.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Lydiard Cerutty wrote:
Not as fast as Kipchoge, but similar as far as my training paces are concerned relative to my ability. How can he race that fast you may ask. Well me personally, it just feels so much easier on race day. As far as a 5k/10k runner training via mainly tempos, there have been 5k/10k runners train like that. Mark Nenow and Ron Clarke comes to mind.
Good post, and another thing that Tinman said countless times - running at 10k pace (CV) is conditioning the body for faster paces as well, like 5k pace. So even if you train at 5:35 mile pace only with CV reps, you are actually training your body to run and handle 5:20 in a 5k race. Many people use Tinman training and suddenly PR in races even tho they never trained hard or at race pace. But it's not magic, just smart training.
Also VO2MAX work (6-8 min race pace) is counter-productive for the marathon. That's why Kipchoge is not doing it - he is mostly doing 10k pace and threshold, and only very small spices of 5k pace. I'm sure he trained differently when he ran all these great times in the 5k races, but for a marathon VO2MAX work harms more than it helps (it would allow him to produce more lactate and burn more glycogen which is not wanted for a marathon).
Thanks insightful post but one question unless you run 13/12 minutes 5K why do vo2max stuff if Kipchoge runs 14 minute 5Ks without doing vo2max. In fact unless you’re a pro and training specifically to win you might as well just marathon train and you could still win most races
Bewstard wrote:
Thanks insightful post but one question unless you run 13/12 minutes 5K why do vo2max stuff if Kipchoge runs 14 minute 5Ks without doing vo2max. In fact unless you’re a pro and training specifically to win you might as well just marathon train and you could still win most races
VO2MAX paced intervals (6-8 min race pace) are important for races below 20-25 min. They aren't very important for a 10k, and even counter-productive for a marathoner.
You can reach a very high level in a 5k without doing VO2MAX work, it will just give you the last few %. Btw Kipchoge can run a more like low-mid 13 min 5k just from marathon training alone, but his peak was sub 13 when he trained harder intervals.
As runners, participating in a highly numbers-driven sport, I think we all tend to view things in overly rigid terms, in intense shades of black and white. We argue over who coaches who, and what if the Tinman this, and 100% that, and neglect that we are speaking about human beings pushing our own individual limits. As someone noted, Kipchoge's supposed 80% would bury all of us (American elites included). However, his 80% effort in training combined with 100% focus and unshakeable intent are his personal secrets to success. He could be doing handstands twice a day and with the right belief system, his innate gifts, and his apparent drive would beat a lesser man who kills himself every day in training out of a very Western neo-masochism.
We don't credit Ali's coach for his boxing success. We don't credit Davinci's mentor for his masterpieces. Why should we credit anyone but the runner for his or her success? As Bowerman would say, "the magic is in the man..." When the man is fronted with a sound program and a sound mind to accept hard work, this magic can be very illuminating.
And so it goes.