Another Kenyan Charged With Doping

casual obsever wrote:

It wasn't the IAAF that started shining the light on doping in Kenya. I'd say that Seppelt was instrumental in this. And Ethiopia wouldn't let a journalist roam as free there.

Correct without Seppelt, Kiprop would still be prancing around Monaco in 3:26, Bett would be running 1:42, Rosa would be viewed as a genius, Russian women would be keeping up with Caster and everyone on here would believe Renato's nonsense that epo doesn't work for the marathon.

I wonder wrote:

Does Ethiopia actually have any sort of testing system? How can they be allowed to compete if not?

Not every country can afford their own USADA. Madagascar doesn't have a national anti-doping agency. Going to ban all athletes from there? When there's no local anti-doping agency, foreign testers are flown in to test athletes in the testing pool.

Subway Surfers wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

It wasn't the IAAF that started shining the light on doping in Kenya. I'd say that Seppelt was instrumental in this. And Ethiopia wouldn't let a journalist roam as free there.

Correct without Seppelt, Kiprop would still be prancing around Monaco in 3:26, Bett would be running 1:42, Rosa would be viewed as a genius, Russian women would be keeping up with Caster and everyone on here would believe Renato's nonsense that epo doesn't work for the marathon.

Well said Subway. ?

El Keniano wrote:

Corrupt continent wrote:

EK pops his head up again with the western conspiracy theory. Face the facts EK, PED usage is rampant in Kenya. Spend more of your energy and imagination on cleaning up Kenyan athletics.

I believe doping in pill ? obsessed America and science ? driven Western Europe is near UNIVERSAL. But how many have been caught in recent years? A few? No, NONE! ZERO! NADA! RIEN! NIENTE! They don’t even have the decency to throw in a some token busts to pretend their systems are working somewhat. Not a single doper in cultures where neighbourhood gyms are saturated pharmaceuticals? HA! Do me a favour.

Kenyan controls are clearly working. Your doping systems, on the other hand, are BROKEN evidenced by lack of results. And that’s the truth!

The truth...

The truth is Kenya is a very very corrupt country within a very vey corrupt continent and where everything can be paid off if you remain in favor/favour.

The truth is Kenyan distance athletes were exposed, a long time ago, to shady European (Italian, E German) coaches that were able to experiment with unsuspecting athletes. I’ll give you that Kenya was corrupted by the West and whites some time ago. That time has passed and it is Kenyans, themselves, that continue the practices learned.

The truth is some Kenyan distance athletes that show promise at a young age are introduced to PED’s at the early age of 16, birth certificate documents falsified and cheat their way from World Youth Championships (now has ended partly due to age cheating abuses), World Junior Championships and the World T&F Championships.

The truth is Kenya’s NGB is corrupt, what testing that does take place is telegraphed ahead of time, athletes that test positive are extorted for cash by officials, access to PED’s is easy and acceptable practice.

All of what I say has been documented and exposed yet many continue to get away with it.

Being successful at running is one of the few peaceful ways to get ahead in life in Kenya. Within Kenyan society it is acceptable practice to break the rules because they see everyone else doing it.

El K, why don’t you accept the truth and channel your energy and creativity to change what IS taking place in Kenya and stop with your hatred and your tired excuses.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

I wonder wrote:

Does Ethiopia actually have any sort of testing system? How can they be allowed to compete if not?

Not every country can afford their own USADA. Madagascar doesn't have a national anti-doping agency. Going to ban all athletes from there? When there's no local anti-doping agency, foreign testers are flown in to test athletes in the testing pool.

If there were top athletes from Madagascar testing positive each month, then I think it should be considered.

Yes illegal performance enhancing drugs are apart of sport including Kenyan distance running. And yes the Kenyan federation has to continually improve their testing and detection. But too many Americans jump to an extreme conclusion that ALL Kenyan runners are doping. That African distance running dominance is ALL based on cheating. I believe this argument is put forward not out of fairness to the sport but as an attempt to justify the huge drop in U.S. performance in international distance running.

Subway Surfers wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

Yes! This would be great to watch! Brojos, please organize this race, and make all of letsrun’s dreams become reality.

Rieti classic! And if Coevett wins in a fast time he is either the real Steve Ovett or the track in short. And likewise if El Keniano wins in a fast time it confirms he is either the real Asbel Kiprop or all Kenyans are doping.

What if Covette is the real Steve Ovett AND El K is the real Asbel Kiprop? ?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Rieti classic! And if Coevett wins in a fast time he is either the real Steve Ovett or the track in short. And likewise if El Keniano wins in a fast time it confirms he is either the real Asbel Kiprop or all Kenyans are doping.

What if Covette is the real Steve Ovett AND El K is the real Asbel Kiprop? ?

That would be a scream! ?

If he is indeed coached by Patrick Sang, that should be pretty big news.

I wonder if he’s based at Sang’s compound in Kaptagat with Kipchoge and the likes?

I also look at numbers online and they don't lie, so...let's try this another way: Rutto's PB is 13:03.44 - only 8 Americans have been faster with no American beating that time in the last 4 yrs. Only one Brit has gone faster.

How many elites world-wide who specialize in the 5000 can't run 13:03? Perhaps hundreds? How many elites world-wide can't even run the Olympic/WC "A" standard qualifying time let alone a 13:03?

Rutto qualified for the 2017 WC and advanced to the finals. 40 runners ran in the qualifying heats, only 15 advanced which meant 25 went home devastated.

Rutto is very fast. Rutto has got some wheels. ?

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0/10. FFS, how many elites run slower than Rutto? Looks like thousands:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm

I wonder wrote:

Banboth wrote:

No. Should also can ethiopia. They are Just more secluded and test even less. Also do you really think uganda has some kind of honor? Heck the only time the country is in the news its for corruption

Does Ethiopia actually have any sort of testing system? How can they be allowed to compete if not?

What is wrong is that race organizers around the world keep on inviting Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes to their races. They are just as much part of the problem as the athletes are and yet the race organizers are not being punished.

Aww shut it! Ethiopia is in exactly the same situation as the US and the UK - no busts inferred as doping at 0% by the LetsRun brain trust. But now they want Ethiopia investigated because it’s suspicious that no one is getting nabbed? My sides! ? ?? Oh, the hypocrisy! You can’t make this kind of s*** up. To be a bottom feeder racist unencumbered by a functioning brain.

Superstar Cyrus Rutto has failed to make Kenyan headlines. Maybe the Western media will allocate appropriate space for this “top” Kenyan?

Argh yes way wrote:

I also look at numbers online and they don't lie, so...let's try this another way: Rutto's PB is 13:03.44 - only 8 Americans have been faster with no American beating that time in the last 4 yrs. Only one Brit has gone faster.

How many elites world-wide who specialize in the 5000 can't run 13:03? Perhaps hundreds? How many elites world-wide can't even run the Olympic/WC "A" standard qualifying time let alone a 13:03?

Rutto qualified for the 2017 WC and advanced to the finals. 40 runners ran in the qualifying heats, only 15 advanced which meant 25 went home devastated.

Rutto is very fast. Rutto has got some wheels. ?

Rekrunner will analyse him as being "slow" at the elite level. The Moroccan runners such as Mourhit were analysed as slow because they ran 12-49 for 5000m which is actually over 10 seconds slower than the world record. Bauman was also analysed as slow as he ran only ran 12-54. Conclusion? - PEDs such as EPO do not work on elite level athletes - this poor Kenyan was in fact probably weighed down by the excess red blood cells produced by EPO so that he could run not even run faster than David Moorcroft who was a suboptimally trained British club runner in the 1980s....

El Keniano wrote:

I wonder wrote:

Does Ethiopia actually have any sort of testing system? How can they be allowed to compete if not?

What is wrong is that race organizers around the world keep on inviting Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes to their races. They are just as much part of the problem as the athletes are and yet the race organizers are not being punished.

Aww shut it! Ethiopia is in exactly the same situation as the US and the UK - no busts inferred as doping at 0% by the LetsRun brain trust. But now they want Ethiopia investigated because it’s suspicious that no one is getting nabbed? My sides! ? ?? Oh, the hypocrisy! You can’t make this kind of s*** up. To be a bottom feeder racist unencumbered by a functioning brain.

El K just described himself “to be a bottom feeder racist”.

I have read your posts time and again and you present nothing more than hatred and racism.

Your quest should not be to point fingers but rather clean up the corruption in Kenyan athletics. Clean your own doorstep.

Argh yes way wrote:

I also look at numbers online and they don't lie, so...let's try this another way: Rutto's PB is 13:03.44 - only 8 Americans have been faster with no American beating that time in the last 4 yrs.

Uhhhh an American ran faster than that less than a year ago.

Geo dood wrote:

Argh yes way wrote:

I also look at numbers online and they don't lie, so...let's try this another way: Rutto's PB is 13:03.44 - only 8 Americans have been faster with no American beating that time in the last 4 yrs.

Uhhhh an American ran faster than that less than a year ago.

....and 11 Americans in total. You can't count very well.

keep the white one away wrote:

Yeah, but ban Russia.

Russia was banned due to evidence of state support for doping. I have heard of no such evidence against Kenya. Lax testing but nothing specific against the government. As more Kenyan positives are identified, coordination by the government, if such exists, may come to light, but until then, only individuals will be banned. If there is evidence of which I am not aware, feel free to post it.