Renato Canova wrote:
And, if there is somebody like you, who believes blood doping can give big advantage, we don't accept in the camp, also if can be very strong. We don't want that bad ideas and stupid (and cheater) athletes can create confusion in a camp where the educational values are at the base of the performances.
Excellent.
I feel exactly the same way, and have no time for people with those stupid attitudes.
Coevett wrote:
Blacko wrote:
Let's hope she does. That will open a precedent and then plenty of Kenyan athletes can charge you with damaging the integrity of their careers. Or such.
LOL, what a character you are.
I'm actually sticking up for the three Kenyan fellow athletes she tried to frame for her own positive test result.
And you think her trying to ruin the careers of three innocent athletes in front of the IAAF is the same as myself pointing out that the Rotich is the teammate of Bett and such like on this forum (which prides itself on being anti-doping)?
Maybe like El K, you think that even reporting on Kenyan doping busts here is racist and 'slander'?
And you're an American Kenyan elite runner who gets tested regularly?
Natural born talent, taking the place of an American 'slow white' runner?
Yeah, right.
I am an American Kenyan? Great fabrication there.
You are racist not because of your anti-doping (ha! only against Moroccans, Kenyans and those who beat your heroes) "stance" but because you are racist and that shows on many of your comments. I am not the only one saying this.
m!ndweak wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Trust me Renato, athletes like Longo know that these supplements are laced with PEDs, that's why they take them. And the excuse if they ever get caught is "I was just taking supplements." Just nonsense, just like the passionate kissing and tainted steaks excuses.
better than getting an androgel rub down with happy ending from your dad...that sh*t is pretty sick
That's funny Chad! ?
dunes runner wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:
And, if there is somebody like you, who believes blood doping can give big advantage, we don't accept in the camp, also if can be very strong. We don't want that bad ideas and stupid (and cheater) athletes can create confusion in a camp where the educational values are at the base of the performances.
Excellent.
I feel exactly the same way, and have no time for people with those stupid attitudes.
It's pretty funny for a guy who has repeatedly had cheaters in his camps.
Caller out of b.s. wrote:
dunes runner wrote:
Excellent.
I feel exactly the same way, and have no time for people with those stupid attitudes.
It's pretty funny for a guy who has repeatedly had cheaters in his camps.
Ha, you know at times I do like Renato's alternative perspective but it makes me laugh when he says that he wasn't sure about Silas Kiplagat and when we mention Kwemoi's Hct of 53 he doesn't remember that he has spent last 5 or so years on here claiming blood doping doesn't work because falling Hct is a sign of fitness.
Renato Canova wrote:
When I was the Technical Scientific Director of FIDAL, we started seminars (as Federation) against doping. However, we had also strange cases, for example the case of Andrea Longo, who was positive for nandrolone few days before WCh in Edmonton, for taking aminoacids from one of the top Company in the World (he had with that Company an official contract as sponsor) that were contaminated. The Italian Federation spent a lot of money for buying the same kind of aminoacids in several different Countries, sent all the boxes with the substance to the lab of Koln directed by the IAAF responsible of antidoping, and the final result was that 22% of all the aminoacids contained in small percentage nandrolone. Andrea Longo was banned for 2 years, but IAAF recognized his "bona fide" and gave him an extra time of two weeks for running under the limit for WCh 2003. Andrea Longo made an allegation against the Company, and won in the Court.
About Barbi, he was in training at home, and never partecipated in some official Training Camp of the Federation.
About Lydia Cheromei, she was banned for a medicine against sterility, who was also doping. But she had her first baby 6 months after the test, so it's easy to see that the medicine was not for enhancing her performance. Her problem was she didn't communicate IAAF the medicine, because in her mind she already was not an athlete, but a person with a personal goal to achieve, and only after being banned for two years she was interested to clean her name. Her brother, Joseph, prepared all the medical documents of the case, but AK didn't push the case with the IAAF for some deficit in the procedure. At the end, one of the cleanest athletes ever could not run in her life any Major, and, after winning World Junior Championships in 1991, last year (27 years later) was still able to run the Marathon in 2:22.
If you are the technical director of some Country, or of some Management, and are not in continuous contact with the athletes, the only thing you can do is to organize some seminar explaining which are the right values, the risks of doping, and the rules of the antidoping, but you can't know what they do at home.
Instead, when you are with YOUR athletes in training, the situation changes, because you are not in touch as an epidode, but you live with them for long time, and have the opportunity to influence their education.
So, if you put all the name of doped athletes that sometime spoke with me in a list, your list can be still longer, but absolutely stupid for demonstrating something.
You are part of the problem, pusher. “I didn’t know”. “ I didn’t coach that one when they were using”. Man up and admit people like you are part of the problem. You’re a weak willed liar. Go f yourself, “Coach”.
You are not part of the problem. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, and all the people thinking like you, and speaking without knowing anything about what really happens on the ground.
Speak about what you know, otherwise you can only think, write and talk about stupidities. And who thinks, writes and talks about stupidits, probably is an idiot himself...
Subway, I aws not sure about Silas Kiplagat because he joined me in training only, never was in a camp, lived in his house near Eldoret, and never we spoke about ethics or something different from training. In my opinion he was always clean, but (because was in the list of the suspicious runners) I can't guaranty for him.
Instead, about Ronald Kwemoi, 53 is the normal value of his Hct (from 51 to 53, when he had the investigation was in a period of little training, so his Hct was higher).
I never gave big importance to the level of Hct, as important for the performance. Many times I pointed out that, in the same period, we had Gelindo Bordin winning OG in marathon with 39.7, and Genny Di Napoli bettering the NR of 1500m with 3'32"98, with almost 52 (and 18,8 of Hb : when had 17.5 his feeling was to be anaemic...).
Instead, I give importance to the INDIVIDUAL RANGE of any athlete. Everybody has his optimal range (for example, Shaheen 43-45), and when is out of this range (lower or higher, doesn't matter) can't be at his best level.
In the case of Ronald, his range can vary from 53 (when in little training) to 51 (when in very hard training), and he never has fluctuations.
So, try to understand the difference from FLUCTUATIONS of Hct and HIGH Hct. In the first case, it's clear you use some substance for enhancing the average values, and you can be banned according to the Biological Passport (also fluctuations between 37 and 45, without justifications, and repeated several times, can mean the athlete uses EPO or similar), while a stable level between 51 and 53 means this is the normal range of an athlete, and doesn't produce any suspicion.
To be fair wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
If he was a Brit that may have raised more eyebrows!
The opposite is true. Ultimately toothpaste Baumann was banned, and dehydration Radcliffe and doorbell Farah and kidney Froome got off scot-free.
It was a bad teeth reference
Tooljo wrote:
Wouldn't it make sense that if she truly didn't know how the morphine got into her system, she may posit many possibilities?
If she really didn't do it....and really had no idea....then very logical that she would throw out many reasons, b/c she had no idea.
That's what always stuck me with Gatlin saying the massage guy rubbed steroids into him. How would you possibly know?
Renato Canova wrote:
Before 2010 there was not a doping problem in Kenya. At that time, nobody asked for some external help, and was not necessary to teach to the athletes they had to be clean believing in their training only.
For that reason, I never spoke about doping with Rita Jeptoo (who was always in the camp in Iten) or with Lucy Kabuu, that I met only for the workouts coming from their house.
The problem started in 2012, before OG in London, and I was the first speaking about it with the Chairman of AK, Isaiah Kiplagat. From that year, we started to see strange people, that nothing had to do with the athletics, going to the local road races trying to go in touch with many "coaches" (really not coaches, but people having a small group of athletes and working with some management) promising them that could have had big advantages taking something they could administrate, for the percentage of 15% (the same like managers) on their prizes.
One of them went to speak with Patrick Sang, asking him if he was a coach : this clearly shows that those people didn't know anything about athletics.
Instead to face the problem, Isaia Kiplagat decided to hide the problem itself, denying there was doping in the Country.
This behavior, and the lack of specific education, caused a big improvement of a bad mentality, in both runners of short and long distances, in some area (especially around Kapsabet). The 90% of the Kenyan positive come from Kapsabet or from some small village, and they used EPO for training more. Their results improved because of the increased training, not because of doping, and the increased training was possible, in their mind, only with strong supports, legal like supplements, or illegal like EPO (something that is absolutely not true : it's possible to have the same quantity and quality of training without taking anything, and athletes like Kipchoge clearly show this).
For shorter distances, instead, the blood doping had the goal to enhance the level of aerobic power for athletes who didn't want and din't like to use this type of training, based on fast long continuous run and long tests on track at high intensity, the only way for enhancing the aerobic support.
About all the athletes spending long time with me, nobody had any idea to take some substance for supporting his training : I speak about Shaheen, Nicholas Kemboi, James Kwalia and many other in the period of Qatar (till 2010), and about Florence Kiplagat, Moses Mosop, Sylvia Kibet, Caleb Ndiku, Abel Kirui later, till the current group including Ronald Kwemoi, his young brother Samwel Chepolei, and the HM runners Erick Kiptanui, Daniel Kipchumba, JosphatBoit and the WCh oif cross country Irene Cheptai.
With Chinese athletes the main problem was the lack of communications, and this was the main reason because I resigned after WCh of Beijing in 2015, also if my contract was till the end of 2016. The translators didn't know anything about athletics, and too many times I discovered their explanation was not correct, and the athletes were not able to understand what I explained. And in any case, nobody of the athletes of the National Team remaining with me from October 2013 till WCh of Beijing took anything (Anna Yin was aggregated to the National Team only at the end of July 2014 because won a race of steeple in 9'41" running alone in July, and I already explained several times she had unusual values during the first blood test we had for all the team in Duoba, and after this I asked for a doping control and she was banned).
You need to understand that there is difference between athletes who stay with the coach (also in the camp) with continuity for several years, and athletes that you see once every month giving them a program only. In the first case, I can put my hands on fire they are all clean, because I know them, their discipline, their mentality, their moral values, their character, and they know me and my assistant coach John Litei, who is a real hammer about discipline and loyalty.
I can confirm that, when we stay long time with some athlete, we can clean their mentality. They believe in training only, and have in front of them the examples of WR holder who never took anything. They look ahead, not behind their shoulders, where maybe there are doped athletes who run slower than them.
(And I continue to be curious about the "many other athletes" associated with me in the past, and caught for doping).
The problem started when they started getting tested.
Renato Canova wrote:
You are not part of the problem. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, and all the people thinking like you, and speaking without knowing anything about what really happens on the ground.
Speak about what you know, otherwise you can only think, write and talk about stupidities. And who thinks, writes and talks about stupidits, probably is an idiot himself...
Ok, pusher. Here’s what I know. You are constantly tied to athletes who are caught and then banned for illegal drug use. You then post here with the same non responses, lashing out at anyone daring to accuse you or athletes you coach as immoral.
You, and others like you, are what’s wrong with track today. Turn a blind eye to people using, then deny any involvement. Truth be told, some on here won’t tell you what they think because you are a VIP here. That doesn’t mean crap to me. To me, you are an enabling drug pusher. Your accomplishments as a “coach” are disgraced by your cheating ways just like the cheating athletes associated with you.
I am constantly tied to athletes caught and banned ? Only idiots like you can think that coaching some athlete 8 years because he/she is caught for doping means to be "tied" to him/her. Only idiots like you think that a head coach of some Country can be tied with ANY ATHLETE OF THE COUNTRY whom he didn't coach, who can be doped.
Is like to think that the Pope is tied with the priests pedofil, that a car factory is responsible of some accident happening because one mechanic (not working in the factory) forgot to close a wheel....
I can have thousands of example of right and straight people that casually are linked with other people who do some illegal action. Typical example the President of any Country, that according to your thought, must be tied with all the scandals that happen in their Country.
You are really more idiot (and lier) of what I could suppose.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
The problem started when they started getting tested.
Classic one liner. I wish they now started testing in Ethiopia. It's sort of old news now to see a Kenyan getting busted for doping every 2 weeks or so.
Renato Canova wrote:
I am constantly tied to athletes caught and banned ? Only idiots like you can think that coaching some athlete 8 years because he/she is caught for doping means to be "tied" to him/her. Only idiots like you think that a head coach of some Country can be tied with ANY ATHLETE OF THE COUNTRY whom he didn't coach, who can be doped.
Is like to think that the Pope is tied with the priests pedofil, that a car factory is responsible of some accident happening because one mechanic (not working in the factory) forgot to close a wheel....
I can have thousands of example of right and straight people that casually are linked with other people who do some illegal action. Typical example the President of any Country, that according to your thought, must be tied with all the scandals that happen in their Country.
You are really more idiot (and lier) of what I could suppose.
The pope IS tied to all the priests who abuse boys. Thank goodness the Catholic Church is going bankrupt due to all of the payouts. Ha ha.
Do the right thing, pusher. Speak out on all the times you turned a blind eye to obvious cheating. Redeem some of your tarnished legacy.
You are to EPO and other drug abuses in track to what the pope is to kid touching - a direct link.
It’s a contest between “uncastrated pig offal burrito” and “the jab gave me EPO”
Cheaters are scum.
Is update wrote:
It’s a contest between “uncastrated pig offal burrito” and “the jab gave me EPO”
I still like the running through Epo-infested puddles too.