Another marathon cheater, this time it’s a lady cutting courses and riding her bike for 2:45 marathons

There are Olympic runners and college coaches on this link right now making posts. I’m going to slow my speech so you can understand. Coaches like Paul Pilkington-Weber State Ian Hunter-BYU get called out by others for their athletes performing and must defend them by having them tested extensively. The colleges don’t pay this. The coaches have the results on their heads if it comes back like Ashley’s. Then they see athletes like Ashley cheat and nobody does anything for it. Well I have been cheated out of more than $10,000 from over 3 athletes I’ve raced big money races against in Florida, California and here in Utah. It’s wrong. To everyone in the running community. Ashley would’ve been up to 1500 likes if no one reported her. She did nothing and walked away from this mess. It was after witnesses reported her at awards ceremony and I and a few others on her original post of IG holding her hands up in the air and celebrating at the finish line, called her out that she decided to hide. To her credit, she sent a letter to the RD explaining her circumstances but had no formal apology in it. That is why she is being investigated and her races that are sanctioned to allow her to continue to qualify for the Olympics and elite runner status, which alone can save you 10-20,000 a year getting to these events, will be put on hold and races flagged. She claimed on here she doesn’t cheat. Go get tested. Send it to USATF or to Aaron. Aaron is a great guy and will be fair and honest. The character in question is not the running community. It is her. You want justice? Go help her prove her allegations. Pretty simple.

If you are a runner in an event and you run off course. It doesn’t matter where you go and how much drop. This is all irrelevant. The rules are you go back to the point you ran off or you are disqualified. She chose her path. She didnt tell anyone. She lied straight to the 8th place finisher and his mom. She posted her success on IG. YOU HAVE ZERO BASE DEFENDING HER ACTIONS. Go troll someone else.

Much faster, actually, but long since retired.

Seriously, you're the one who's taking too many drugs.

Paul Cummings was my coach all the way up to 1993. He taught me the joy and instilled passion. He would not put up with this then and if he was alive he’d tell you you’re an idiot for your posts to your face now. You say you’re faster than this level and you don’t know the rules of running? Are you that old where there were no rules to your so called athletic ability? You are one shady dude. Or dudette. Only a social justice hero. Give me one fact of hers that she wasn’t cheating. There is literally 1 or more witnesses to prove her wrong. Her Strava was the worst one besides telling her nephew in law that she passed him. That one is the best in my book.

On another note I am drug-free I will take a test at anyone’s asking me to do so. In fact I will take a test with Ashley this week! I will pay for the test so if she’s willing to do this and come clean let’s get this off everybody’s chest right now! My treat. I already have athletes willing to give me money for it. I called her out. Let me be the one to pay. What do you say Ashley?

This is the drug Ashley was busted on. Saying she didn’t know it was illegal. Not only is it a steroid illegal for all sports, it’s illegal to sell or buy in the US.

https://www.usada.org/substance-profile-ostarine/

‘In recent years, WADA has reported an increasing number of positive tests involving SARMs, and athletes who use these substances most likely obtain them through black market channels’, reads athlete advice from the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) issued in July last year. ‘There are in fact products that contain ostarine, but only illegal ones. Given that ostarine is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country, there are no legal medications that contain ostarine.’

So not only using steroids but buying it illegally on the black market. But she “didn’t know”

Also her claim that it was from a contaminated supplement is false. The USDA tests any supplement that the athlete says may have been contaminated for the markers of their positive test. They won’t charge the athlete if any shows up.

If you are going to agree to pay for tests may want to do this sooner rather than later, and need specific blood test for SARMS. If someone were to be using SARMS it will depend on where their cycle ended if it will still show up. But, if they weren’t expected to be tested they may have used recently. Anyway, lots of people who dope pass tests so you don’t want to waste a bunch of money here.

I can’t force her. That’s up to her. A test costs 65 bucks. I’ll pay it. I’ll call up concentra near her for tomorrow’s test. But she’s been flagged at USATF events now so if she makes a showing and tries to use those in her running resume they will have a big asterisk by them. Look at all these athletes in non running sports. They accomplished awesome things. But now are asked to return sponsored money and lose their medals over it? For what? Fame? Now at the next event she’s at she’s going to be looked at as a cheater. Post a test quick and she has nothing to hide. This will be forgotten. Hopefully. We are all in this together. I’m sure Ash is super cool. Look st those defending her. Lance Armstrong was cool too. It’s the damage they caused afterwards forvthrur decisions.

Dunes Runner, I am not quite sure why you are defending this woman. While I don't see why her course cutting necessitates drug testing as Sir Walter suggests, the evidence against her with respect to cutting the course seems fairly clear, and the fact that she tried to cover it up also seems fairly clear.

My sense is that you are not disputing the fact that she cut the course, but rather whether the impact of that course cutting is somewhat exaggerated. I would say that while the impact is somewhat hard to determine, how others who were near her throughout the race ended up relative to her is a pretty good, if imperfect, indicator of the impact of the course cutting. I am also going to guess that the distance that she cut is a bit understated. I think people are basing the 1/4 mile estimate on the fact that her GPS data shows her being close to 12.9 miles for her run. As we all know, it isn't reasonable to expect GPS data to match up with actual course distance, and it is reasonable to expect that a GPS watch would show a total distance of between 13.2-13.3 for a half marathon on a certified course. So we could be talking about something like a third or close to a half mile being cut off.

As to whether the course cutting was intentional or inadvertent, that is also hard to say without having been there, but the best evidence that we have seems to be that others who were there are saying it would be pretty hard to accidentally go of course where she went off course. While some might argue that this is a "he said/she said" situation, I would say that the "she" in this situation has fairly low credibility based on (1) her past demonstration of a willingness to cut (figurative) corners based on her doping sanction, (2) her claiming to have run the hills that she cut off of the course in her social media posts, (3) her pro-actively telling others she passed them on the course when she had not passed them because she had cut the course. That doesn't even require us to rely upon additional facts like her claiming to have told the RD about her mistake or her having asked a race official what to do while off of the course.

In any event, intentional or not, it seems pretty clear that she tried to cover up her course cutting.

Why would you go out of your way to defend a person who has done this?

So she biked it or ran it, a 2:45 marathon? Is it 100% certain that she ran it, hit the mats and had real witnesses? Me confused?

You make a great point. She has been dropped from results simply for the fact of the USATF rules when you go off course, you go back to the point. What her watch shows beyond the 10.5 turn is a wash. No harm no foul. It’s her actions of using it to better her cause that hurt others. My point to be tested is if I had s running community coming at me right now over this I would say the words IM SORRY. I would go tested and post it on here or give it to USATF or her social media world. Then when I was at the next race when eyes are sizing me I can give the finger to them. I’ve been tested over 10 times and once for winning $100 bucks! The point here is- what is the damage you cause by your actions to using a substance or cutting the course on purpose or accident and not reporting it afterward. Her letter to Aaron was well after she finished the race and awards had been handed out and her social media had congratulated her on her unjustified post. A coach brought this point up, if she is not reporting a simple mistake like this imagine the other actions she is using. That justifies a test.

Sorry, I can't agree with you that since she cut a course, she should submit to drug testing or never run a sanctioned race again. While they both involve dishonesty, they are different issues, and tying them together is unreasonable. It also makes it seem that this is very personal for you.

Smoove wrote:

Sorry, I can't agree with you that since she cut a course, she should submit to drug testing or never run a sanctioned race again. While they both involve dishonesty, they are different issues, and tying them together is unreasonable. It also makes it seem that this is very personal for you.

I agree...I'm confused as to why the insistence on a drug test. Did I miss something in the thread?

NikcckiN wrote:

So she biked it or ran it, a 2:45 marathon? Is it 100% certain that she ran it, hit the mats and had real witnesses? Me confused?

Read further down the first page for my analysis showing her Strava files indicate she ran but looked suspicious because of yet another garbage Suunto watch. Also, there are some in this thread that say they saw her run her marathons. So it all indicates that she did run those marathons. The focus of this thread now is just on the course cutting at the half marathon of which there is solid evidence that she did cut the course.

GaryB wrote:

Smoove wrote:

Sorry, I can't agree with you that since she cut a course, she should submit to drug testing or never run a sanctioned race again. While they both involve dishonesty, they are different issues, and tying them together is unreasonable. It also makes it seem that this is very personal for you.

I agree...I'm confused as to why the insistence on a drug test. Did I miss something in the thread?

I agree with Smoove about keeping sanctions related just to the course cutting. While she has been caught takening drugs in the past, I think it would be difficult to use a drug test now to do any enforcement unless it is something carried out by WADA. And giving this much notice that you want a drug test nullifies any of the benefits of surprise drug testing and could easily allow for masking agents or to give the body time to "clear".

Best to save the money and effort and just institute a suspension on her from the race for a few years. And get a race policy that says drug testing may be done on participants at the race or they can be disqualified on the spot.

GaryB wrote:

Smoove wrote:

Sorry, I can't agree with you that since she cut a course, she should submit to drug testing or never run a sanctioned race again. While they both involve dishonesty, they are different issues, and tying them together is unreasonable. It also makes it seem that this is very personal for you.

I agree...I'm confused as to why the insistence on a drug test. Did I miss something in the thread?

Well, she had been busted for drugs before, and from what has been alluded to on this thread it seems that a lot of people at the higher end of the sport suspect or have reason to suspect she hasn't changed her ways in this regard. I think it's likely that this has been simmering for a while and the blatant course-cutting and attempted cover-up has been the final straw for some.

For those who are saying "no big deal" on the course-cutting - well, it's easy to be blase when it isn't you who has been directly affected. If you run a hard race, finish shattered, having given your best and then someone swans in claiming to be ahead of you and having topped your achievement and bullshits and boasts all over social media, whilst saying you must have been in too much pain to see them waving as they breezed past you. Well, that would piss anyone off and it's myopic and disingenuous to pretend otherwise when you are personally isolated from the repercussions. Add to that a situation where you strongly suspect that the other runner may be taking other unethical shortcuts and it's got to feel pretty insufferable, I should think.

chillbro wrote:

You started out really strong with, what seemed like, good evidence, but you are going off the rails with your last few posts.

Keep to your evidence about this race.

Couldn't agree more. Almost seems like Walter has some type of intellectual (or social?) disability. Not that it exonerates fast cheater girl Ashley, but the more Walter posts, the better Ashley looks.

kmaclam wrote:

Couldn't agree more. Almost seems like Walter has some type of intellectual (or social?) disability. Not that it exonerates fast cheater girl Ashley, but the more Walter posts, the better Ashley looks.

That's a ridiculous statement. Walter is clearly pi$$ed off in his posts, but no matter what he says or how he says it, how does that make Ashley look better?

The facts are independent of anything this guy says or does. You say that you're not exonerating her, but then go on to say that she looks better the more Walter posts. He could go on and post ten thousand more words, but that wouldn't change for one second the fact that she has proven to be both a cheat and a liar.

It's almost "Instagram Logic", whereby the messenger is vilified because the message concerns the fact that the shiny, shallow Instagram sensation is actually a cheat. Discredit the messenger and ignore the message and everything continues as before in plastic La La Land.

Does anyone know if Paulson has been alerted to this thread? I hope she's at least reading it and getting the real feelings of real runners as opposed to those clowns on IG.