NAU still seems to have the better performace. As stated, merged results don't work unless the races unfold similarly. If you look at NAU's race, it had more talent upfront which, to me, makes their run more impressive. With that said, both teams were very impressive. Stanford now looks to be a strong #3 with Wisco and Portland (andmaybe Iowa State) as battling for a podium spot.
Other teams with 5 in the top 100 merged were:
Stanford: 182
Washington: 183
Colorado: 235
Oregon: 344
meaningless merge wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I think this is the big takeaway from today.
The big takeaway isn't that BYU wins some meaningless merged results. The races were very different. NAU was a slow moving huge pack thru 2K, and still a pretty big pack at 4K.
However, I agree that the big takeaway is that NAU will definitely have to earn that title, as BYU should give them a very tough race.
Right. I agree that merging the results doesn't tell us anything.
My point was that the big takeaway is that "anybody who thinks BYU has no chance after today is kidding themselves." NAU has a fight on its hands.
anyone know why the times are so slow in both men's races. Much slower than Louisville and almost every other course you could compare it to?
Bro why do you care? They’re not breaking any rules, and they’re 2 years older but took 2 years OFF!!! How much of an advantage does a 21 yr old freshman who hasn’t run for 2 years have over a 19 yr old who has been training with a top program? Seriously tell me, show me evidence of an advantage and then I’ll listen. Otherwise, please, shut up.
We were saying the same thing at this time last year but we all know what happened at nationals and when the race changed to 10km. I still think NAU have too much power in the front.
Just playing devil’s advocate here: Why is everyone so quick to dismiss the merged results? You could argue that NAU should have been capable of finishing faster with the slow early pace. Isn’t that how negative splitting usually works?
Hope we get a great race at nationals this year and one of them choking like last year. Could potentially see a 3rd place team under 100 points!
Not a mormom wrote:
Just playing devil’s advocate here: Why is everyone so quick to dismiss the merged results? You could argue that NAU should have been capable of finishing faster with the slow early pace. Isn’t that how negative splitting usually works?
Negative splitting doesn't generally leads to slower times. If a 1500 goes out in 70, a 3:40 guy isnt going to be able to get anywhere near 3:40. If it goes out in 60, he probably could, if it goes out in 58 seconds, he has his best chance to PR of the three scenarios.
Also, the Grant Fisher's and Tyler Day's of the world can still close hard and finish with the fastest times of the day, but not every guy in that race has that kind strength and they wasted a lot of energy chopping their steps in a crowded pack.
I think we will get a great race at nationals. However, I think NAU has the better upside. BYU is incredibly deep, but NAU has more top talent, IMHO. Over 10K, I give a significant edge to NAU. In particular, look for Ferro and Lomong to take some serious scalps at 10K (at least more than expected).
Slow Region wrote:
Jayordon wrote:
Merged results now and came up with the following:
BYU: 60
NAU: 89
Can't directly compare races like that, but anybody who thinks BYU has no chance after today is kidding themselves.
Just wanted to point out as well that BYU didn’t race Daniel Carney today, another runner who’s shown he’s more than capable of breaking into BYU’s top five.
Someone merge these, for the sake of all the other teams
Need a boots-on-ground to report on very serious topic - which women's team had overall best form considering the following criteria: height to weight ratio, aesthetics of bun huggers, geometric curve appeal, and of course stride to smile proportionality.
M.A.G.A.
The Buffs finally showed up.
Good to see Klecker back.
Still need 4-7 to improverify, but their ranking will go up.
Also, Wyoming!
Really good to see Paul Robert's resurgence play out in D1 where he should have been all along!
So even the post race interview videos are only on FloTrack Pro, what a joke.
Jayordon wrote:
Merged results now and came up with the following:
BYU: 60
NAU: 89
Eyestone copying NAU's training has turned out to help them quite a bit!
BLM 69 wrote:
Isn't Rory Linkletter from Canada??????????
Also, it's funny that BYU's "younger team" is an average of 22.5 years old....... Outside of the Kenyan and European import teams, most teams have an average age of 20.x if I had to guess
Why talk out of your @$$ and guess? If you're going to have an opinion, do the work and back it up with facts and statistics. Otherwise, it's worthless.
of course. cross country only has like 4 meets a year for the top guys:):):):):):). quite a long season:):):):)
Wait, seriously? You've got a 25 year old guy on the squad right now and another 24 year old, and you're saying they've never run a 26 year old? Come off it. The 25 year old guy might well be turning 26 this academic year. The oldest at most would be 23, counting a redshirt year.
Not so old wrote:
zxcvxcv wrote:
This NAU team is looking to be up there with the greats. Peter Lomong is listed at 22, but man, he looks old in the photo in that linked story! Anyway, doesn't matter, considering that he'll be facing BYU's 24-26 year olds at NCAA.
This should be fun to see NAU go up against Stanford with our first look at just how good Ratcliffe and Fisher will be this year.
BYU doesn't have a single 26 year old runner. I fact, I don't even know a single runner for BYU that has ever turned 26 while still competing for them. If you look at their top 7 you have Rory at age 22, McMillan at age 21, Young at 25, Carney at 24, and Mantz at 21, Shumway at age 22, and Heslington at age 23. Then their 8 and 9 are ages 21 and 22. Stop using this as a point of debate. Their top 7 average age is 22.5, not much older, if even older, than any other team. Plus they don't recruit foreign runners whose ages we have no idea so just stop it.
Are Ratcliffe and Fahy healthy and in shape?
You can score today's race but this is 8k, not 10k, and you just do not know how many guys and teams were going all out or were untapered. Very impressive performances from BYU and NAU. I'll still go with the battle-tested squad, NAU.