The more you post, the more you show your ignorance about the sport.
Well I'm happy to be in the same company as Steve Cram you moron (ex-runner). I was simply reporting what Steve Cram clearly stated to a nationwide live television audience watching the 1500 final.
Filip’s a primary source. Cram’s a secondary source.
The more you post, the more you show your ignorance about the sport.
Well I'm happy to be in the same company as Steve Cram you moron (ex-runner). I was simply reporting what Steve Cram clearly stated to a nationwide live television audience watching the 1500 final.
Hey racist moron, I am not doubting Cram said that (even though nowadays I doubt everything you say), I am just pointing out your ignorance when using the word ONLY.
Only? Early puberty? Training seriously from age 13 and you say ONLY?
I think I'll believe Filip over Cram or you on this one.
Filip has twice in different interviews said that Jakob has trained as a pro for longer than that. 7 years or so is what he has said.
You're acting as though you read or watch Filip every time he gives an interview. In fact, you just made that up didn't you? And I thought you were going to stop supporting yourself through fake handles within 5 minutes of your registered handle posts?
For the past three seasons, Jakob has trained with his older brothers.
"The biggest thing I've learned from them is the mindset," Jakob said. "You always have to go hard and believe in your self — push until the last meters."
Prior to Saturday's race, Jakob won the junior race at the European Cross Country Championships. However, his indoor season was derailed by a bout of mononucleosis and then flu.
Since then, he has lifted his training to a new level, running 80-85 miles per week and running twice a day on most days. Clearly those efforts have begun to pay off.
Henrik and Filip will be targeting the IAAF World Championships in London later this summer. Jakob will be focused on the European Junior Championships in Grosseto, Italy.
I will take the words of Jakob himself over you or any of your schizophrenic alter egos.
I think I'll believe Filip over Cram or you on this one.
Filip has twice in different interviews said that Jakob has trained as a pro for longer than that. 7 years or so is what he has said.
You're acting as though you read or watch Filip every time he gives an interview. In fact, you just made that up didn't you? And I thought you were going to stop supporting yourself through fake handles within 5 minutes of your registered handle posts?
For the past three seasons, Jakob has trained with his older brothers.
"The biggest thing I've learned from them is the mindset," Jakob said. "You always have to go hard and believe in your self — push until the last meters."
Prior to Saturday's race, Jakob won the junior race at the European Cross Country Championships. However, his indoor season was derailed by a bout of mononucleosis and then flu.
Since then, he has lifted his training to a new level, running 80-85 miles per week and running twice a day on most days. Clearly those efforts have begun to pay off.
Henrik and Filip will be targeting the IAAF World Championships in London later this summer. Jakob will be focused on the European Junior Championships in Grosseto, Italy.
I will take the words of Jakob himself over you or any of your schizophrenic alter egos.
You are honestly so weird. I've seen two interviews with Filip and in both he talked about Jakob training specificallly for this for 7 years. What am I making up? I never claimed to have seen every one of his interviews?! You are making things up as usual.
I claimed to have seen/read TWO and in two Fillip talked about Jakob.
I don't expect he had the same volume as he does now for the entire 7 years, but that's not what 'training like a professional' means. Every professional has different volumes and has tried different volumes throughout their careers. Jakob has had the benefit of training alongside and learning from two pros his whole life.
You aren't even arguing with me, you are arguing with Filip. I can just find one of the interviews and post it here for you if you'd like?
Why do you keep accusing everyone on this forum of being me? It's so paranoid and odd.
Kid phenoms are early peakers, that's the only way to be so good at such a young age. They are done by the time they are 20. That's when Ryun set his PR's. Mary Cain was already over the hill. Nigel Amos ever sub 1:42 again, not a chance.
From 3:31 Jakob will get to 3:29. Maybe 3:28, no further. People don't understand he is already just about at his limit.
ya, that is the conventional wisdom.
all bets are off with phenoms.
cain wasn't a phenom.
amos may win the OG. he's going to rank #1 or #2 in the world this year.
I don't expect he had the same volume as he does now for the entire 7 years, but that's not what 'training like a professional' means. Every professional has different volumes and has tried different volumes throughout their careers. Jakob has had the benefit of training alongside and learning from two pros his whole life.
Yes, he has had that benefit. But he hasn't trained like a professional for 7 years like e.g Centro trained from he was 20-27. You get that right? This is regarding him burning out.
Had he trained like he does now for 7 years prior, then one could make the argument he would burn of before 25. Its just recent year he is almost 100% training like a professional. And even then he has ways to go, finish school, go to as many altitude camps as his brothers, more time to rest, maturing because of his age etc. He won't run 3.24 by the time he is 25 though, obviously not.
All this who said this and that is just BS, Gjert has used the norwegian model of slow progression, but progression all the time, so J has been training like a norwegian or pro or whatever you want to call it for several years, they have stated that only come to this year he has been following his brothers on most sessions, but Gjert has also said that "he has got more to go on trainingwise".
So. You are all correct. No problem, stop BS.
Jakob will mature and get stronger. 3:26 and 12:42 or something, AND 25:59!!!
Kid phenoms are early peakers, that's the only way to be so good at such a young age. They are done by the time they are 20. That's when Ryun set his PR's. Mary Cain was already over the hill. Nigel Amos ever sub 1:42 again, not a chance.
From 3:31 Jakob will get to 3:29. Maybe 3:28, no further. People don't understand he is already just about at his limit.
The YouTube channel that referenced Subway and others on this forum in a video about Jakob last year, has uploaded a new one discussing whether he is still on progress to run 3:46 and 12:40 (the predictions made in the first video).
There is no sign that Jakob is anywhere near his peak yet.
True he only improved his 1500m pb by 1 second this year, but that's misleading because he was surely going to run sub 3:29 at Monaco this year if Tim hadn't decided to slow it down. His fastest time last year outside of Monaco was 3:27. By contrast, this year he ran under 3:32 five times.
He just finished fifth in the 5000m and fourth in the 1500m (despite being clearly tired and bruised from his earlier efforts), and people are writing him off. He turned 19 two weeks ago. Crazy.
I predict with confidence he will be a consistent sub 3:30 sub 12:55 man next summer, and that's certainly going to put him in the medals and in with a real chance of gold.
I think 3:24/3:25 and between 12:30 and 12:40 is reasonable to hope for now. Of course, it's quite possible that he could run even faster. Even I didn't expect him to do as well this season as he has. Also, if he has a long career, he could be 'in his prime' around 2026 or even 2030. Who knows what improvements to shoes, tracks etc will take place by then?
I also think he can run some seriously fast 800 times one day. Maybe he will be like Aouita and want to win medals and break records at 800 to 10000 and even beyond?
It seems funny now people are saying that he only gets by on his kick in slow races. Before this season everybody was saying his problem was an inability to kick.
I even predicted super shoes in this post.
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I think 3:24/3:25 and between 12:30 and 12:40 is reasonable to hope for now. Of course, it's quite possible that he could run even faster. Even I didn't expect him to do as well this season as he has. Also, if he has a long career, he could be 'in his prime' around 2026 or even 2030. Who knows what improvements to shoes, tracks etc will take place by then?
I also think he can run some seriously fast 800 times one day. Maybe he will be like Aouita and want to win medals and break records at 800 to 10000 and even beyond?
It seems funny now people are saying that he only gets by on his kick in slow races. Before this season everybody was saying his problem was an inability to kick.
I even predicted super shoes in this post.
Your 5k prediction will prove to be too conservative. He will go under 12:30 easily
I think 3:24/3:25 and between 12:30 and 12:40 is reasonable to hope for now. Of course, it's quite possible that he could run even faster. Even I didn't expect him to do as well this season as he has. Also, if he has a long career, he could be 'in his prime' around 2026 or even 2030. Who knows what improvements to shoes, tracks etc will take place by then?
I also think he can run some seriously fast 800 times one day. Maybe he will be like Aouita and want to win medals and break records at 800 to 10000 and even beyond?
It seems funny now people are saying that he only gets by on his kick in slow races. Before this season everybody was saying his problem was an inability to kick.
I even predicted super shoes in this post.
Imagine that. Obliterating a full throttle EPO record like that.
I don't think I posted on this thread back then but I am pretty sure I remember what I was thinking back then at the start of his career, and I am more than happy to own being completely wrong.
I thought he would be a 3.27.x high to 3.28.x low guy, a 3.44.x high to 3.45.x low mile and somewhere in the 12.44-46 bracket over 5000m.
Clearly none of those predictions were a slight on him - anyone with that set of PR's is all-world and one of the best runners of all time - but he's definitely blown the 15/mile out of the water and obviously he's going to make an even bigger mockery of the 5km when he gets round to it.
I can't remember making a 3000m prediction mostly because I thought it would be a waste of time because the thought of 7.20.67 ever being broken was just incomprehensible to me - at least prior to 2020. Man, how things have changed :D
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