Respected commentator Tim Hutchings calls out times from past drug era, says more natural levels now.

Hill Run wrote:

Suddenly she runs 15 seconds faster than before and is immediately labelled a doper - further embellished by Emma Coburn who replied to a Tim Hutchings tweet with a sarcastic comparison of Chepkoech to Ruth Jebet, inferring they are one in the same. - So who in their right mind would train and strive to break records when this is your reward??

Looks like Coburn's tweet deleted:

I'm no Twitter expert, but... wrote:

Hill Run wrote:

Suddenly she runs 15 seconds faster than before and is immediately labelled a doper - further embellished by Emma Coburn who replied to a Tim Hutchings tweet with a sarcastic comparison of Chepkoech to Ruth Jebet, inferring they are one in the same. - So who in their right mind would train and strive to break records when this is your reward??

Looks like Coburn's tweet deleted:

https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/1020586317061603328

Yes she deleted it - probably after realizing that it was unfounded and smacked of sour grapes so shortly after the event.

She doesn't even give it the slightest mention on her Twitter:

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

What about Ngugi though wrote:

I wonder what he makes of the Ngugi OOC affair since without Ngugi Hutchings would have been World XC champ!

I don't know Hutchings, but I'd be pretty shocked if he were so delusional as to believe that doping by Ngugi robbed him of a world championship in 1989.

At last, an honest commentator telling it like it is. wrote:

Former international distance runner and commentator Tim Hutchings during the London Grand Prix 5k on Eurosport talking about previous fast times and how nobody had run below 13 minutes this year:

"Those times seem a thing of the past...a bygone era, I never thought I'd hear myself say that, but sub 12.50 times now seem like science fiction almost. With the drug testing that goes on has nailed down so much of the activity in the sport of track and field, athletic standards have dropped dramatically to perhaps more natural levels over this past two or three years."

Well done Tim, hopefully more will come out, we might even get a few athletes admitting to it.

If this is yet another doping thread started by Coevett -- and it sure sounds like him -- I respectfully suggest that he be given a rather lengthy "time-out." Perhaps he can use the enforced vacation to develop a few other hobbies.

just admit that you are wrong wrote:

Tell that to Cathal Lombard.

it's 2018 not 1998 wrote:

He needs to drag his head out of the 90s EPO is not a performance enhancer.

Ha, ha, ha ? too funny just stop it.

I'm no Twitter expert, but... wrote:

She doesn't even give it the slightest mention on her Twitter:

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

No she doesnt, but trust me it was there as a reply to Tim Hutchings speculative tweet regarding future sub 9 clockings for womens 3K steeple.

As an aside I must mention that there seems to be an inordinate amount of bitchiness and accusation among female athletes (mainly americans are the protagonists) - this seems to be conspicuous by its absence within male competition,

The other thing about Actovegin, and let's assume it isn't a PED as such, you can train to the physical limit or breaking point, and then use it to quickly recover from any injury or stiffness.

Joke jorange wrote:

This was all because of reduced mileage and calesthenics.

Don't forget bounding/plyometrics and sit ups.

Hill Run wrote:

Take Chepkoech for example. A talented athlete with a great range who has been a regular performer in DL and WC events for some years without suspicion. Suddenly she runs 15 seconds faster than before and is immediately labelled a doper -

Really? You don't think 15 secs is suspicious? 90m improvement suddenly? Your worse than Ghost1.

And box jumps in case of Paula. Plus as extra trick, extreme dehydration of 20 - 30% during racing, thus huge loss of weight and thus super world records.

Mole hill wrote:

Hill Run wrote:

Take Chepkoech for example. A talented athlete with a great range who has been a regular performer in DL and WC events for some years without suspicion. Suddenly she runs 15 seconds faster than before and is immediately labelled a doper -

Really? You don't think 15 secs is suspicious? 90m improvement suddenly? Your worse than Ghost1.

My point is that very rarely do stratospherically elite athletes ever run to the extreme edge of their envelopes. They do enough to win - I`m certainly not accusing them of dogging it, but racing in a pack and breaking away in the last 4-600 metres is the norm rather than leaving all on the line and running by yourself in pursuit of records.

Its takes a special sort of mindset and approach to run solo at a higher speed than the pack. If you are a contender and have confidence in your kick why would you potentially jeopardize the win by running so aggressively ? - Lets face it, a conservative approach is king within distance events currently. - Tirunesh Dibaba is the perfect example. She holds the WR for 5000m at 14.11 - that clocking was the only sub 14.20 performance of her career and it was the only time she went after the record. Given that the womens 3K steeple is a newish event and not steeped in glory ( not a blue ribbon event) it is hardly surprising there is a lot of fat left to chew off the record. - So no, given Chepkoech is a regular racer on the circuit, has pedigree and talent (just look at the fluid way she moves in comparison to Coburn) Im not surprised she can knock such a large chunk off the record.

Avocado's Number wrote:

If this is yet another doping thread started by Coevett -- and it sure sounds like him -- I respectfully suggest that he be given a rather lengthy "time-out." Perhaps he can use the enforced vacation to develop a few other hobbies.

Why?...just because he tells it like it is?

Hill Run wrote:

I'm no Twitter expert, but... wrote:

She doesn't even give it the slightest mention on her Twitter:

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

No she doesnt, but trust me it was there as a reply to Tim Hutchings speculative tweet regarding future sub 9 clockings for womens 3K steeple.

As an aside I must mention that there seems to be an inordinate amount of bitchiness and accusation among female athletes (mainly americans are the protagonists) - this seems to be conspicuous by its absence within male competition,

So what exactly was the reply?

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Avocado's Number wrote:

If this is yet another doping thread started by Coevett -- and it sure sounds like him -- I respectfully suggest that he be given a rather lengthy "time-out." Perhaps he can use the enforced vacation to develop a few other hobbies.

Why?...just because he tells it like it is?

Anyway, the quote was from Hutchings not Coevett, perhaps Avocado's Number should take it up with Tim if he doesn't like it.

Hill Run wrote:

I'm no Twitter expert, but... wrote:

She doesn't even give it the slightest mention on her Twitter:

No she doesnt, but trust me it was there as a reply to Tim Hutchings speculative tweet regarding future sub 9 clockings for womens 3K steeple.

I trust you, I should've said she doesn't give the new WR the slightest mention, not even a begrudging well done.

Couple thoughts here:

5,000 is in a time drought for a few reasons:

A. The Pacemakers are not up to it — when’s the last time you saw a field led through in 7:55. The pacemakers are just not getting it done...resulting in seesaw splits that lead to bunching and no rhythm

B. All of the best guys now are guys who believe in their kick — Kejelcha mistakenly thinks he’s going to win with his 400m kick, Edris/Chelimo correctly thinks this, Barega/Balew should be hammering from further out,

C. The best strength guys who would theoretically push from 3,000 to 4,000 aren’t running on the circuit — see Kamworor, Cheptegei.

So we get poorly-paced races with nobody to push on after the pacemaker drops off. And guys like Chelimo/Edris are still closing at a strong standard 52 point in 13:15 races.

There is still 12:55 quality in the field, it’s just not showing with all the dynamics.

El Keniano wrote:

Hill Run wrote:

No she doesnt, but trust me it was there as a reply to Tim Hutchings speculative tweet regarding future sub 9 clockings for womens 3K steeple.

As an aside I must mention that there seems to be an inordinate amount of bitchiness and accusation among female athletes (mainly americans are the protagonists) - this seems to be conspicuous by its absence within male competition,

So what exactly was the reply?

The reply was along the lines of "Well look how the record turned out for Ruth Jebet" - its not word perfect but I replied to her saying that her tweet was small minded and spiteful and something I was disappointed in reading from an elite athlete

One other thought: Coburn’s flat PBs are so pedestrian they almost make me believe that 9:00 is somewhat of a soft mark. 4:05/8:41 are a joke on the world stage. Yes maybe she’s been fitter than that, but Chepkoech is running 4:02 indoors and 14:39 outdoors. She would probably beat Coburn by at least 15 seconds on the flat, Chepkoech’s form is solid — so why wouldn’t she trounce Coburn.