Yeah at this point it looks like Golden by tomorrow end of day is a solid goal. Hope he can get into a good grove and keep it up.
Yeah at this point it looks like Golden by tomorrow end of day is a solid goal. Hope he can get into a good grove and keep it up.
43 miles for Dave today.
If he runs 45 miles each day he will finish September 30th, after 96 days. Maybe the 66 day, 7200 mile thing was just a typo?
Er... wrote:
Yeah at this point it looks like Golden by tomorrow end of day is a solid goal. Hope he can get into a good grove and keep it up.
Looks like he may be done for the day. A bit less than expected again (~70km) but looking at google maps, it looks like there was an accident or something on the highway so maybe it was forced stoppage today. It's 100km to Golden now which is where he was scheduled to be by end of today
Letsrun accountant wrote:
43 miles for Dave today.
If he runs 45 miles each day he will finish September 30th, after 96 days. Maybe the 66 day, 7200 mile thing was just a typo?
To be fair...he is going through the toughest part of the run with some good elevation each day
Tron wrote:
Letsrun accountant wrote:
43 miles for Dave today.
If he runs 45 miles each day he will finish September 30th, after 96 days. Maybe the 66 day, 7200 mile thing was just a typo?
To be fair...he is going through the toughest part of the run with some good elevation each day
Having kept up with the two recent US Transcon efforts what is obvious is the mental wear and tear one goes though trying to run high mileage day, after day. That cannot be understated. Elevation changes are not what strike me as a reason for the lower mileage than planned. The hours put in per day are what is most important. Dave is not yet at the 12+ hours per day of running that Pete K and Sandy Vi both out in. Too many hours per day (14+) will also end a transcon; as it did for Mimi A a year ago.
Tron wrote:
To be fair...he is going through the toughest part of the run with some good elevation each day
To be fair... he surely must have looked at a map when plotting his course and deciding on how far he felt could run each day - and in deciding how far he felt he could run he surely would have considered the elevation gain?
What is abundantly clear at this very early stage is that he was overly optimistic about his abilities. But I am not knocking him, I'm glad to see that he has adjusted and is now running about 40km a day less than he thought he could run when planning this part of the run. I would love to see him finish this and I think it shows maturity to adjust to your abilities rather than quit (or run until you are forced to quit due to injury). He's raising money for a good cause and I hope people will be inspired by his determination more than any record.
It looks like Dave Proctor ran 53.31 miles today.
Here are some numbers:
Day 1 87.8 miles 11:36h running time excluding 2-3 hours ferry ride.
Day 2 74.9 miles 13:07h
Day 3 72.9 miles 12:36h
Day 4 61.66 miles 12:57h
Day 5 40.12 miles 8:58h
Day 6 46.73 miles 8:58h 384.1 miles total
Day 7 53.31miles 8:51h 437.5 miles total
Now 33.8 miles behind schedule. 62.5 miles per day which is roughly what Al Howie did over 72 days and 10 hours and 23 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Howie
I noticed that people overestimate the altitude in Trans Cons. I don't think that plays a bigger roll, since you are so slow. The Trans Am runners who ran over Loveland Pass in Colorado, in the 90ies probably had one or two slightly slower days but usually the routes have not such a steep hill in it.
Just from looking at the numbers it looks like that Dave is injured. He visited a physical Therapist yesterday in Revelstoke.
Otherwise he should be putting in 12-14 hour days not just 9 hours.
Yes, fairness wrote:
Tron wrote:
To be fair...he is going through the toughest part of the run with some good elevation each day
To be fair... he surely must have looked at a map when plotting his course and deciding on how far he felt could run each day - and in deciding how far he felt he could run he surely would have considered the elevation gain?
What is abundantly clear at this very early stage is that he was overly optimistic about his abilities. But I am not knocking him, I'm glad to see that he has adjusted and is now running about 40km a day less than he thought he could run when planning this part of the run. I would love to see him finish this and I think it shows maturity to adjust to your abilities rather than quit (or run until you are forced to quit due to injury). He's raising money for a good cause and I hope people will be inspired by his determination more than any record.
Well he did aim to be lower today if you look at his original schedule....consecutive days of ~80-90km. He never aimed to be exactly 108km a day but just average it at the end. With that said he is still behind schedule by basically a day already but if that allows him to continue I’m all for it
https://outrunrare.com/daves-route/Tron wrote:
Yes, fairness wrote:
To be fair... he surely must have looked at a map when plotting his course and deciding on how far he felt could run each day - and in deciding how far he felt he could run he surely would have considered the elevation gain?
What is abundantly clear at this very early stage is that he was overly optimistic about his abilities. But I am not knocking him, I'm glad to see that he has adjusted and is now running about 40km a day less than he thought he could run when planning this part of the run. I would love to see him finish this and I think it shows maturity to adjust to your abilities rather than quit (or run until you are forced to quit due to injury). He's raising money for a good cause and I hope people will be inspired by his determination more than any record.
Well he did aim to be lower today if you look at his original schedule....consecutive days of ~80-90km. He never aimed to be exactly 108km a day but just average it at the end. With that said he is still behind schedule by basically a day already but if that allows him to continue I’m all for it
The amount of time run per day is what is most important. Km/day is not so important. Dave has cut back from ~12 hrs/day to just under 9 hrs/day. One cannot make up those lost hours.
hours not kms wrote:
Tron wrote:
Well he did aim to be lower today if you look at his original schedule....consecutive days of ~80-90km. He never aimed to be exactly 108km a day but just average it at the end. With that said he is still behind schedule by basically a day already but if that allows him to continue I’m all for it
The amount of time run per day is what is most important. Km/day is not so important. Dave has cut back from ~12 hrs/day to just under 9 hrs/day. One cannot make up those lost hours.
Well yeah...anything lost is probably not going to be gained back but I was just responding to the comment that he should have adjusted his daily schedule based on route/mountains which he did...he just lost more than he even thought.
I think on one of the podcasts he did say sleep has been an issue for him so far so hopefully he gets that under control at least
Tron wrote:
Well he did aim to be lower today if you look at his original schedule....consecutive days of ~80-90km. He never aimed to be exactly 108km a day but just average it at the end. With that said he is still behind schedule by basically a day already but if that allows him to continue I’m all for it
https://outrunrare.com/daves-route/
If you aim for an average of 108 km/day you can not do 140km one day and 76km another. Well you can, but the result is not an average of 108km, more likely you will run into an injury.
In multiday running you have to stress your legs as less as possible. Which means a slower speed and a little bit more time on your feet. Speed kills in a multi day effort.
in my opinion his schedule was very unrealistic. Based more on good stops for the RV and his Staples commitments. The problem is that you can't do that with high mileage days. If you look at Pete Kostelnick's mileage, on most days he was between 72 and 74 miles with 12.5 to 13.5 hours of running. (He always had a scheduled lunch break)
Dave has right now an average of 62.5 miles per day which is on par with Al Howie's Trans Canada record.
It will be interesting to see if Dave can come back to these numbers. The 66 days are out of game plan now.
Markus wrote:
It looks like Dave Proctor ran 53.31 miles today.
Here are some numbers:
Day 1 87.8 miles 11:36h running time excluding 2-3 hours ferry ride.
Day 2 74.9 miles 13:07h
Day 3 72.9 miles 12:36h
Day 4 61.66 miles 12:57h
Day 5 40.12 miles 8:58h
Day 6 46.73 miles 8:58h 384.1 miles total
Day 7 53.31miles 8:51h 437.5 miles total
Now 33.8 miles behind schedule. 62.5 miles per day which is roughly what Al Howie did over 72 days and 10 hours and 23 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_HowieI noticed that people overestimate the altitude in Trans Cons. I don't think that plays a bigger roll, since you are so slow. The Trans Am runners who ran over Loveland Pass in Colorado, in the 90ies probably had one or two slightly slower days but usually the routes have not such a steep hill in it.
Just from looking at the numbers it looks like that Dave is injured. He visited a physical Therapist yesterday in Revelstoke.
Otherwise he should be putting in 12-14 hour days not just 9 hours.
forget about calculations through the mountains, if the wind is at his back through the prairies, that will seal the deal. unless there is injury,
Tron wrote:
hours not kms wrote:
The amount of time run per day is what is most important. Km/day is not so important. Dave has cut back from ~12 hrs/day to just under 9 hrs/day. One cannot make up those lost hours.
Well yeah...anything lost is probably not going to be gained back but I was just responding to the comment that he should have adjusted his daily schedule based on route/mountains which he did...he just lost more than he even thought.
I think on one of the podcasts he did say sleep has been an issue for him so far so hopefully he gets that under control at least
What you are not seeing is that he not running a steady amount of time per day. If is not covering the kilometers as he planned and is running the time that he planned it means that his plan the last few days was to run 10-12 kph for 9 hours. That is overly optimistic in that short of a time. . . . It does not make sense to cut back the hours in the mountains. What makes sense is to cut back the pace.
No, I get what you are saying about hours vs km and I agree with that. If he aimed for less km in a day, he should do it slower but same amount of time in a day vs the faster days in which he runs more.
But you said that after my comment responding about adjusting distance according to route
Tron wrote:
No, I get what you are saying about hours vs km and I agree with that. If he aimed for less km in a day, he should do it slower but same amount of time in a day vs the faster days in which he runs more.
But you said that after my comment responding about adjusting distance according to route
And the thing is regardless of hours or km..he isn’t hitting his distance goal a day and seems to be struggling the last couple days. If he did it his scheduled distance I bet it would be similar time each day..they go hand in hand
longjack wrote:
forget about calculations through the mountains, if the wind is at his back through the prairies, that will seal the deal. unless there is injury,
Unfortunately that's not how it works. And he is obviously already injured.
Markus wrote:
longjack wrote:
forget about calculations through the mountains, if the wind is at his back through the prairies, that will seal the deal. unless there is injury,
Unfortunately that's not how it works. And he is obviously already injured.
He said I think in the day 5 podcast he has an slight issue with his shin but not sure how serious it is. As he talks about in day 6 one, he says his biggest issue has been sleep (but did have a good sleep night before) so hopefully that can turn things around
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=tqaIN0Ng4rk#dialogTron wrote:
He said I think in the day 5 podcast he has an slight issue with his shin but not sure how serious it is. As he talks about in day 6 one, he says his biggest issue has been sleep (but did have a good sleep night before) so hopefully that can turn things around
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=tqaIN0Ng4rk#dialog
So he has shin splints? That's not good but not unexpected after his long day 1. He just did too much and was too fast at the same time.
Dave will have long painful days ahead.
Markus wrote:
Tron wrote:
He said I think in the day 5 podcast he has an slight issue with his shin but not sure how serious it is. As he talks about in day 6 one, he says his biggest issue has been sleep (but did have a good sleep night before) so hopefully that can turn things around
So he has shin splints? That's not good but not unexpected after his long day 1. He just did too much and was too fast at the same time.
Dave will have long painful days ahead.
Sandy Vi had shin issues several times during her USA transcon. She has a massage therapist on her team, Cinder Wolff (sp?), who was also her nutrition expert, mothership captain, good purchasers, morning alarm clock, and mental cheerleader all-in-one. Anyway, depending on the shin issue Dave might be able to continue forward. Hopefully his team has some experts on board to basically take care of everything for him, so all Dave has to do is run.
longjack wrote:
forget about calculations through the mountains, if the wind is at his back through the prairies, that will seal the deal. unless there is injury,
But if he is running opposite of traffic on the TransCanada Highway, he is getting huge headwind from all the semi trucks and rednecks going the opposite way. It would be a lot wiser and safer to use secondary roads.