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    ex-runner

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 12:58pm EDT
    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    right so you think he was a 3:33 guy at best till his late 20s then gets on al sal and stints with Aden and booom he is running 3:28s (in monaco, so 3:30s) and you want to get mad at me? lolz thats what is so ridiculous about LR

    british people on here REFUSE to think paula doped, mo doped and that coe is some angel

    kenyan people on here REFUSE to think their idols dope and that all white people are racist

    then you have prob 50/50 americans on here that think rupp doped and al sal is shady.

    i love america, but im not naive "maniac" as you put it to think that ALL AMERICANS were and always are CLEAN!!!

    again mo late 20s 3:33 PR...you act like he did his 3:28 like KENYANS do, in their early 20s.

    No, I never said I think Farah is clean at all.

    I'm unpicking your stupid argument.

    Your ridiculous statement is as follows, in case you forgot:

    Now that Kiprop has been caught, testing is increasing in Kenya and now we will only see Kenyans managing to run 3:33-3:35. *Some rambling about Monaco*.

    I've simply stated that Kenyans have already run 3:31 this year, several months after 'increased testing' and it looks like they will continue to do so. And that Farah, who is tested more than any Kenyan ever will be, managed to run 3:28.

    So your theory, is worth shite.

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    m!ndweak

    Member since 06/20/2011.

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 1:02pm EDT
    re: ex-runner

    so now your on the rekrunner style PERSONAL attacks

    what about anything gives you this AUTHORITY that you know all things and you claim "clearly don't know anything about the sport"

    im almost thinking you could be the name i cant say using yet ANOTHER handle.

    3:31 this year, and next year slower. how is it that mr willis 3:32 non monaco GETS medals? he should be 7th place or so. why is it in "tactical" affairs willis can hang?

    2008

    1st, gold medalist(s) Asbel Kipruto Kiprop Kenya 3:33.11

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Nicholas Willis New Zealand 3:34.16

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Mehdi Baala France 3:34.21

    yeah looks like 3:31 is what was needed there

    2012

    1st, gold medalist(s) Taoufik Makhloufi Algeria 3:34.08

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Leonel Manzano United States 3:34.79 SB

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Abdalaati Iguider Morocco 3:35.13

    4 Matthew Centrowitz, Jr. United States 3:35.17

    5 Henrik Ingebrigtsen Norway 3:35.43 NR

    6 Mekonnen Gebremedhin Ethiopia 3:35.44

    7 Silas Kiplagat Kenya 3:36.19

    8 İlham Tanui Özbilen Turkey 3:36.72

    9 Nick Willis New Zealand 3:36.94

    10 Belal Mansoor Ali Bahrain 3:37.98

    11 Nixon Chepseba Kenya 3:39.04

    12 Asbel Kiprop Kenya 3:43.83 (WTF happened here?)

    2016

    1st, gold medalist(s) Matthew Centrowitz, Jr. United States 3:50.00

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Taoufik Makhloufi Algeria 3:50.11

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Nick Willis New Zealand 3:50.24

    4 Ayanleh Souleiman Djibouti 3:50.29

    5 Abdalaati Iguider Morocco 3:50.58

    6 Asbel Kiprop Kenya 3:50.87 (again WTF happened here, this is mr 3:26 who toyed with people)

    lets look at WC

    2009

    1st, gold medalist(s) Yusuf Saad Kamel Bahrain (BHR) 3:35.93

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Deresse Mekonnen Ethiopia (ETH) 3:36.01

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Bernard Lagat United States (USA) 3:36.20

    4 Asbel Kiprop Kenya (KEN) 3:36.47

    2011

    1st, gold medalist(s) Asbel Kiprop Kenya (KEN) 3:35.69

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Silas Kiplagat Kenya (KEN) 3:35.92

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Matthew Centrowitz United States (USA) 3:36.08

    4 Manuel Olmedo Spain (ESP) 3:36.33

    5 Abdalaati Iguider Morocco (MAR) 3:36.56

    6 Mohamed Moustaoui Morocco (MAR) 3:36.80

    7 Mekonnen Gebremedhin Ethiopia (ETH) 3:36.81

    8 Eduar Villanueva Venezuela (VEN) 3:37.31

    9 Mehdi Baala France (FRA) 3:37.46

    10 Ciaran O'Lionaird Ireland (IRL) 3:37.81

    11 Tarek Boukensa Algeria (ALG) 3:38.05

    12 Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:38.69

    2013

    1st, gold medalist(s) 2 Asbel Kiprop Kenya (KEN) 3:36.28

    2nd, silver medalist(s) 5 Matthew Centrowitz, Jr. United States (USA) 3:36.78

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) 9 Johan Cronje South Africa (RSA) 3:36.83

    4 4 Nixon Kiplimo Chepseba Kenya (KEN) 3:36.87

    5 1 Homiyu Tesfaye Germany (GER) 3:37.03

    6 11 Silas Kiplagat Kenya (KEN) 3:37.11

    2015

    1st, gold medalist(s) Asbel Kiprop Kenya (KEN) 3:34.40

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Elijah Motonei Manangoi Kenya (KEN) 3:34.63

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Abdalaati Iguider Morocco (MAR) 3:34.67

    4 Taoufik Makhloufi Algeria (ALG) 3:34.76

    5 Silas Kiplagat Kenya (KEN) 3:34.81

    6 Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:35.46

    2017

    1st, gold medalist(s) Elijah Manangoi Kenya (KEN) 3:33.61

    2nd, silver medalist(s) Timothy Cheruiyot Kenya (KEN) 3:33.99

    3rd, bronze medalist(s) Filip Ingebrigtsen Norway (NOR) 3:34.53

    4 Adel Mechaal Spain (ESP) 3:34.71

    5 Jakub Holuša Czech Republic (CZE) 3:34.89

    6 Sadik Mikhou Bahrain (BHR) 3:35.81

    7 Marcin Lewandowski Poland (POL) 3:36.02

    8 Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:36.82

    so here we have a interesting coincidence showing up, but you prob just insult me and call me names and mock me

    nick willis best time non monaco : 3:32

    2008 2nd, silver medalist(s) Nicholas Willis New Zealand 3:34.16 (2 seconds from his non monaco PR)

    2011 12th Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:38.69 ( 6 seconds from his non monaco PR)

    2012 9th Nick Willis New Zealand 3:36.94 (4 seconds from his non monaco PR)

    2015 6th Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:35.46 (3 seconds from his non monaco PR)

    2016 3rd, bronze medalist(s) Nick Willis New Zealand 3:50.24

    2017 8th Nick Willis New Zealand (NZL) 3:36.82 (4 seconds from his non monaco PR)

    minus the slow rio (wait wasnt this where the kenyans all did bad? and rotich is in trouble for?) the average times for WC/Oly

    3:34.2

    now since EPO is used in the base phase and noone is trying to get popped at the WC or olympics since ol ramzi got popped we now see apprx 1-2 seconds slower than TRUE clean times, this is with prelims and finals and slightly tactical. 3:50 was a joke, but if you can see that 3:33-36 at WC and olympics as great cause its not "tactical" its CLEAN or as clean as can be out of fear of getting popped. this is why when willis runs CLOSE to his PR of 3:32 it puts him right there in the MIX of medals, same with leo and centro.

    so when a guy has a PR of 3:26 and toys with people and then runs 3:34 everyone thinks it was tactical. no thats him running clean. or do you care to try and explain the 2009 kiprop? or the 2012, 2016, 2017

    say what you want and insult me, call me names blah blah blah. you will see times will get slower and this kenyan myth will slowly fade away

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    m!ndweak

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 1:13pm EDT
    re: ex-runner

    ex-runner wrote:

    m!ndweak wrote:

    right so you think he was a 3:33 guy at best till his late 20s then gets on al sal and stints with Aden and booom he is running 3:28s (in monaco, so 3:30s) and you want to get mad at me? lolz thats what is so ridiculous about LR

    british people on here REFUSE to think paula doped, mo doped and that coe is some angel

    kenyan people on here REFUSE to think their idols dope and that all white people are racist

    then you have prob 50/50 americans on here that think rupp doped and al sal is shady.

    i love america, but im not naive "maniac" as you put it to think that ALL AMERICANS were and always are CLEAN!!!

    again mo late 20s 3:33 PR...you act like he did his 3:28 like KENYANS do, in their early 20s.

    No, I never said I think Farah is clean at all.

    I'm unpicking your stupid argument.

    Your ridiculous statement is as follows, in case you forgot:

    Now that Kiprop has been caught, testing is increasing in Kenya and now we will only see Kenyans managing to run 3:33-3:35. *Some rambling about Monaco*.

    I've simply stated that Kenyans have already run 3:31 this year, several months after 'increased testing' and it looks like they will continue to do so. And that Farah, who is tested more than any Kenyan ever will be, managed to run 3:28.

    So your theory, is worth shite.

    lance armstrong was TESTED all the time, so was marion jones, so is rupp and lagat. that dont mean sh*t

    *Some rambling about Monaco*

    your starting to act and write just like someone on here that was silent for the last week......

    not some rambling about monaco. if you cant repeat correctly what i said, how do you think you can mock me about it?

    3:33-35 in PLACES not monaco, and yes you have shown that timmay and some random ethiopian have run 3:31 so far. and i said timmay wont run faster than that, and NEXT year things will be slower. you dont know the future but you RANT and INSULT me like you do. im not making PERSONAL attacks because you dont agree with me...no thats what you are doing to me.

    my theory will hold water and you will have to start a thread about something else and you, el k and ghost can argue about whites being racists (which comically i think el k and ghost are both brits who live time to time in kenya, you know that whole white guilt thing)

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 1:19pm EDT
    re: m!ndweak

    Ok so now I know I don't need to discuss this with you any more.

    You believe that championship races won in 3:33-3:38 somehow represent the maximal ability of these athletes. Did you even watch any of these races? Some were closed in 1:49 for 800m or 52 over the last 400.

    You're truly crazy.

    I'll leave it there.

    Enjoy watching athletes continue to run 3:30 times.

    Farah ran 3:28 twice and is tested more than any Kenyan ever. Clean or not it's irrelevant. It's obviously possible to run 3:30 or faster even with very frequent testing.

    I don't need to argue about it cause it happened.

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    wtfunny

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 1:19pm EDT
    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    i will do this YET again and see if you guys who are on the fence and SEE the LIGHT

    1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998 (EPO era)

    2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era)

    3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998 (EPO era)

    5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002 (EPO era)

    7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002 (EPO era)

    8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era)

    9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002 (EPO era)

    10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995 (EPO era)

    11 3:27.40 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1 Zürich 06.08.2004 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    12 3:27.52 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 25.07.1995 (EPO era)

    13 3:27.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 2 Zürich 06.08.2004 (EPO era)

    13 3:27.64 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 18.07.2014 (monaco 2-3)

    15 3:27.65 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Sevilla 24.08.1999 (EPO era)

    16 3:27.72 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 19.07.2013 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    17 3:27.91 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Monaco 19.07.2002 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    18 3:28.12 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era)

    19 3:28.21+ Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999 (EPO era)

    20 3:28.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 09.09.1995 (EPO era)

    20 3:28.37 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 08.08.1998 (EPO era)

    22 3:28.38 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2001 (EPO era)

    23 3:28.40 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 05.09.2003 (EPO era)

    24 3:28.45 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 2 Monaco 18.07.2014 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    25 3:28.51 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 3rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    26 3:28.57 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.1999 (EPO era)

    27 3:28.6+ Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999 (EPO era)

    28 3:28.73 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Sevilla 24.08.1999 (EPO era)

    29 3:28.75 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    30 3:28.79 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 3 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    31 3:28.80 Elijah Manangoi KEN 05.01.93 1 Monaco 21.07.2017 (monaco 2-3)

    32 3:28.81 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 2 Monaco 19.07.2013 (monaco 2-3)

    32 3:28.81 Ronald Kwemoi KEN 18.09.95 3 Monaco 18.07.2014 (monaco 2-3)

    34 3:28.84 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Paris 21.07.1999 (EPO era)

    35 3:28.86 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 06.09.1992 (EPO era)

    36 3:28.88 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 20.07.2012 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    37 3:28.91 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era)

    38 3:28.92 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 22.08.1997 (EPO era)

    39 3:28.93 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 München 11.09.1999 (EPO era)

    39 3:28.93 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 4 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    41 3:28.95 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era)

    42 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003 (EPO era)

    43 3:29.02 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN 27.11.84 1r2 Roma 14.07.2006 (EPO era)

    44 3:29.05 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 23.08.1996 (EPO era)

    45 3:29.06 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 17.08.2001 (EPO era)

    46 3:29.08 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 02.09.2001 (EPO era)

    47 3:29.10 Timothy Cheruiyot KEN 20.11.95 2 Monaco 21.07.2017 (monaco 2-3)

    48 3:29.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 09.07.1998 (EPO era)

    49 3:29.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Zürich 15.08.2003 (EPO era)

    50 3:29.14 Rashid Ramzi BRN 17.07.80 2r2 Roma 14.07.2006 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Heusden-Zolder 31.07.2004 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 09.05.2014 (BUSTED EPO)

    54 3:29.19 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Bruxelles 03.09.1999 (EPO era)

    55 3:29.20 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Narbonne 20.06.1993 (EPO era)

    56 3:29.21 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1 Saint-Denis 23.07.2004 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    57 3:29.27 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Paris 14.09.2002 (EPO era)

    57 3:29.27 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 22.07.2010 (monaco 2-3)

    59 3:29.29 William Chirchir KEN 06.02.79 3 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era)

    60 3:29.30 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Stockholm 07.07.1997 (EPO era)

    60 3:29.30 Bernard Lagat USA 12.12.74 1 Rieti 28.08.2005 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    62 3:29.33 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Birmingham 05.06.2016 (BUSTED EPO)

    63 3:29.43 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 3rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    64 3:29.46 Saïd Aouita MAR 02.11.59 1r1 Berlin 23.08.1985 (SUSPECTED PED USER)

    64 3:29.46 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Monaco 16.08.1997 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    66 3:29.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 1 Berlin 14.06.2009

    67 3:29.50 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Paris 28.06.1996 (EPO era)

    67 3:29.50 Caleb Ndiku KEN 09.10.92 3 Monaco 19.07.2013 (monaco 2-3)

    69 3:29.51 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Hengelo 31.05.1997 (EPO era)

    69 3:29.51 Ali Saïdi-Sief ALG 15.03.78 1 Lausanne 04.07.2001 (BUSTED PED)

    71 3:29.53 Amine Laâlou MAR 13.05.82 2 Monaco 22.07.2010 (monaco 2-3)

    72 3:29.57+ Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993 (EPO era)

    73 3:29.58 Ayanleh Souleiman DJI 03.12.92 4 Monaco 18.07.2014 (ADEN EPO monaco 2-3)

    74 3:29.59 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Stockholm 08.07.1996 (EPO era)

    75 3:29.63 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 11.05.2012

    76 3:29.66 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 5 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    77 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985

    so in the top 77 times of ALL TIME, these are the ones that dont have any * with them

    66 3:29.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 1 Berlin 14.06.2009

    75 3:29.63 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 11.05.2012

    77 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985

    people want to claim nick willis monaco time, but no you cant cause you know from doing the research after the 2010 "resurfacing" people run 2-3 seconds faster there than ANYWHERE else, mr EPO kiprop included

    kiprops best times

    3:26.69 monaco

    3:29.18 Ad-Dawhah

    difference = 2.49 seconds

    Silas Kiplagat best times

    3:27.64 monaco

    3:29.63 Ad-Dawhah

    difference = 1.99 seconds

    willis best times

    3:29.66 monaco

    3:32.17 paris

    difference = 2.51

    andrew wheatings best times

    3:30.90 monaco

    3:34.39 paris

    difference = 3.49

    so this leaves us with 2 kenyans and one brit. we have strong suspision that kenya is ripe with doping so that could mean it leaves crams 3:29.67 as the fastest time that wasnt part of the EPO era 92-06 or run at monaco 2010-now. said is not counted cause he tried pushing roids and HGH on austrailians.

    to claim that the british were not on any dope would be biased and i think they were on roids and HGH just like said. so this is why i think 3:32 non monaco is what i think the record would be if there was never any PEDs.

    Daniel Komen had a positive A sample? You mean for caffeine ?

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    m!ndweak

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 1:22pm EDT
    re: wtfunny

    wtfunny wrote:

    m!ndweak wrote:

    i will do this YET again and see if you guys who are on the fence and SEE the LIGHT

    1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998 (EPO era)

    2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era)

    3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998 (EPO era)

    5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002 (EPO era)

    7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002 (EPO era)

    8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era)

    9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002 (EPO era)

    10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995 (EPO era)

    11 3:27.40 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1 Zürich 06.08.2004 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    12 3:27.52 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 25.07.1995 (EPO era)

    13 3:27.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 2 Zürich 06.08.2004 (EPO era)

    13 3:27.64 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 18.07.2014 (monaco 2-3)

    15 3:27.65 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Sevilla 24.08.1999 (EPO era)

    16 3:27.72 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 19.07.2013 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    17 3:27.91 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Monaco 19.07.2002 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    18 3:28.12 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era)

    19 3:28.21+ Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999 (EPO era)

    20 3:28.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 09.09.1995 (EPO era)

    20 3:28.37 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 08.08.1998 (EPO era)

    22 3:28.38 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2001 (EPO era)

    23 3:28.40 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 05.09.2003 (EPO era)

    24 3:28.45 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 2 Monaco 18.07.2014 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    25 3:28.51 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 3rA Zürich 11.08.2000 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    26 3:28.57 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.1999 (EPO era)

    27 3:28.6+ Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999 (EPO era)

    28 3:28.73 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Sevilla 24.08.1999 (EPO era)

    29 3:28.75 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    30 3:28.79 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 3 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    31 3:28.80 Elijah Manangoi KEN 05.01.93 1 Monaco 21.07.2017 (monaco 2-3)

    32 3:28.81 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 2 Monaco 19.07.2013 (monaco 2-3)

    32 3:28.81 Ronald Kwemoi KEN 18.09.95 3 Monaco 18.07.2014 (monaco 2-3)

    34 3:28.84 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Paris 21.07.1999 (EPO era)

    35 3:28.86 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 06.09.1992 (EPO era)

    36 3:28.88 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 20.07.2012 (BUSTED EPO and monaco 2-3)

    37 3:28.91 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era)

    38 3:28.92 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 22.08.1997 (EPO era)

    39 3:28.93 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 München 11.09.1999 (EPO era)

    39 3:28.93 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 4 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    41 3:28.95 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era)

    42 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003 (EPO era)

    43 3:29.02 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN 27.11.84 1r2 Roma 14.07.2006 (EPO era)

    44 3:29.05 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 23.08.1996 (EPO era)

    45 3:29.06 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 17.08.2001 (EPO era)

    46 3:29.08 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 02.09.2001 (EPO era)

    47 3:29.10 Timothy Cheruiyot KEN 20.11.95 2 Monaco 21.07.2017 (monaco 2-3)

    48 3:29.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 09.07.1998 (EPO era)

    49 3:29.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Zürich 15.08.2003 (EPO era)

    50 3:29.14 Rashid Ramzi BRN 17.07.80 2r2 Roma 14.07.2006 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Heusden-Zolder 31.07.2004 (EPO era)

    51 3:29.18 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 09.05.2014 (BUSTED EPO)

    54 3:29.19 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Bruxelles 03.09.1999 (EPO era)

    55 3:29.20 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Narbonne 20.06.1993 (EPO era)

    56 3:29.21 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1 Saint-Denis 23.07.2004 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    57 3:29.27 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Paris 14.09.2002 (EPO era)

    57 3:29.27 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 22.07.2010 (monaco 2-3)

    59 3:29.29 William Chirchir KEN 06.02.79 3 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 (EPO era)

    60 3:29.30 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Stockholm 07.07.1997 (EPO era)

    60 3:29.30 Bernard Lagat USA 12.12.74 1 Rieti 28.08.2005 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    62 3:29.33 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Birmingham 05.06.2016 (BUSTED EPO)

    63 3:29.43 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 3rA Zürich 13.08.1997 (EPO era, and positive A sample)

    64 3:29.46 Saïd Aouita MAR 02.11.59 1r1 Berlin 23.08.1985 (SUSPECTED PED USER)

    64 3:29.46 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Monaco 16.08.1997 (EPO era)

    66 3:29.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 1 Berlin 14.06.2009

    67 3:29.50 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Paris 28.06.1996 (EPO era)

    67 3:29.50 Caleb Ndiku KEN 09.10.92 3 Monaco 19.07.2013 (monaco 2-3)

    69 3:29.51 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Hengelo 31.05.1997 (EPO era)

    69 3:29.51 Ali Saïdi-Sief ALG 15.03.78 1 Lausanne 04.07.2001 (BUSTED PED)

    71 3:29.53 Amine Laâlou MAR 13.05.82 2 Monaco 22.07.2010 (monaco 2-3)

    72 3:29.57+ Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993 (EPO era)

    73 3:29.58 Ayanleh Souleiman DJI 03.12.92 4 Monaco 18.07.2014 (ADEN EPO monaco 2-3)

    74 3:29.59 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Stockholm 08.07.1996 (EPO era)

    75 3:29.63 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 11.05.2012

    76 3:29.66 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 5 Monaco 17.07.2015 (monaco 2-3)

    77 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985

    so in the top 77 times of ALL TIME, these are the ones that dont have any * with them

    66 3:29.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 1 Berlin 14.06.2009

    75 3:29.63 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 11.05.2012

    77 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985

    people want to claim nick willis monaco time, but no you cant cause you know from doing the research after the 2010 "resurfacing" people run 2-3 seconds faster there than ANYWHERE else, mr EPO kiprop included

    kiprops best times

    3:26.69 monaco

    3:29.18 Ad-Dawhah

    difference = 2.49 seconds

    Silas Kiplagat best times

    3:27.64 monaco

    3:29.63 Ad-Dawhah

    difference = 1.99 seconds

    willis best times

    3:29.66 monaco

    3:32.17 paris

    difference = 2.51

    andrew wheatings best times

    3:30.90 monaco

    3:34.39 paris

    difference = 3.49

    so this leaves us with 2 kenyans and one brit. we have strong suspision that kenya is ripe with doping so that could mean it leaves crams 3:29.67 as the fastest time that wasnt part of the EPO era 92-06 or run at monaco 2010-now. said is not counted cause he tried pushing roids and HGH on austrailians.

    to claim that the british were not on any dope would be biased and i think they were on roids and HGH just like said. so this is why i think 3:32 non monaco is what i think the record would be if there was never any PEDs.

    Daniel Komen had a positive A sample? You mean for caffeine ?

    sorry fixed it.

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    re: ex-runner

    "Clean or not it's irrelevant"

    love that....so if he tested positive or not to you its irrelevant.

    lance was testing A LOT so was marion jones...the only way we know they doped is cause they ADMITTED they did.

    rennurker give it up i know its you trying hard to troll, hijack the thread and instigate me

    let me drop it to you like this....

    KIPROP is DONE....GOES HOME DEVASTATED!! at least he was already home lol....i do feel bad he cant afford tea though, that must suck

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    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    "Clean or not it's irrelevant"

    love that....so if he tested positive or not to you its irrelevant.

    lance was testing A LOT so was marion jones...the only way we know they doped is cause they ADMITTED they did.

    rennurker give it up i know its you trying hard to troll, hijack the thread and instigate me

    let me drop it to you like this....

    KIPROP is DONE....GOES HOME DEVASTATED!! at least he was already home lol....i do feel bad he cant afford tea though, that must suck

    You are really arguing with yourself here. I haven't supported Kiprop once. I think you struggle to follow a conversation.

    1500m times will continue to be faster than 3:33-3:35. I've explained why but if you don't understand it then that's your problem. I'm done here.

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    re: ex-runner

    "I'm done here."

    thanks, you were annoying anyways :) cheers reqrooner

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    wtfunny

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    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    wtfunny wrote:

    Daniel Komen had a positive A sample? You mean for caffeine ?

    sorry fixed it.

    And Niyongabo?

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    m!ndweak

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    re: wtfunny

    ughh lol sorry, i was doing the copy paste and slipped up a bit

    sorry

    Niyongabo ran his PR during the accepted EPO era.

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    wtfunny

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    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    ughh lol sorry, i was doing the copy paste and slipped up a bit

    sorry

    Niyongabo ran his PR during the accepted EPO era.

    You also have "the other" Daniel Komen running in 2006 as the "EPO era". Just when, exactly, was/is this era?

    It seems to me your post is just a bunch of nonsense.

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    re: wtfunny

    i told you, the accepted "EPO era" that people here on LR say is 1993-2006

    in 06 is when they finally had a reliable test for EPO

    here is something interesting i found

    http://sportsscientists.com/2016/08/world-records-fossils/

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    re: casual obsever

    After all this time, what is that makes you think I would side against the IAAF anti-doping, the anti-doping science, and the evidence, when they have a positive A-sample, and a B-sample confirmation, according to WADA standards, and have issued a statement that rejected claims of tampering?

    casual obsever wrote:

    Tee hee. Yes. Ghost1 and rekrunner go home devestated.

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    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    i told you, the accepted "EPO era" that people here on LR say is 1993-2006

    in 06 is when they finally had a reliable test for EPO ..

    Wouldn't that make the EPO era 93-2005?

    I've always read in LRC (great bastion of truth that it is) that 04 was the end of the mythical EPO era.

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    re: Subway Surfers Addiction

    I'm prepared to look at more evidence.

    Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

    Yes, Rekrunner will push the "he only doped once, when he was past it" line, whereas Ghost1 will accept Kiprop’s line, that 'he is too poor to defend himself and is really a good person' gag, hook-line-and-sinker. BTW remember the thread on here about two days after news of Kiprop’s fail first broke, where posters actually believed his dopey doping excuses and his promise to clear his name?

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    7 years ago 06/14/2018 2:32pm EDT
    re: m!ndweak

    Unfortunately, this is close to a mea culpa as any used doper ever will give us. If the slimy worms would just own up, I wouldn't hate them so intensely.

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    re: m!ndweak

    m!ndweak wrote:

    lance was testing A LOT so was marion jones...the only way we know they doped is cause they ADMITTED they did.

    This is false. The sports federation knew very well Lance and many others were doping. Apparently, there's even enough data for the beloved Paula Radcliffe to clear her reputation as a doper... If she chose to publish all of it.

    There is enough testing technology and process in the modern era to very clearly detect abnormals and plain old positives. It's that the federation won't sanction favored athletes.

    Kiprop is smart. He understands there is no way to win in sports arbitration without the Federation's help to make it go away.

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    re: rekrunner

    rekrunner wrote:

    After all this time, what is that makes you think I would side against the IAAF anti-doping, the anti-doping science, and the evidence, when they have a positive A-sample, and a B-sample confirmation, according to WADA standards, and have issued a statement that rejected claims of tampering?

    casual obsever wrote:

    Tee hee. Yes. Ghost1 and rekrunner go home devestated.

    It's like you pretend the ease with which Russia's total corruption of the anti-doping system never took place.

    Do I have to post the link, again, that shows"tamper proof" sample bottles are easily defeated?

    There is literally no way to know when/how Kiprop was positive without all the test records. Again, assuming they haven't been altered, which, also was "a thing" in Russia's anti-doping system.

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    re: rekrunner

    Some points...

    1. Monaco 1500 times are super fast in a weird way, in that many elites run pbs way, way faster,in Monaco, sometimes several seconds faster than anywhere else. Not saying those times at Monaco should be thrown out, but the track is anomolous, one way or another. It is a doped up track, much like running a downhill half thon in Las Vegas.

    2. The guy who said once tested marathons will revert back to 2.08+ is also false.

    Since Canova, and others revolutionized marathon running, with new training strategies, like the long fast run, around 30k in length, close to goal pace -marathon times have exploded in quality. The old version of the long slow Sunday run, practiced by Ron Hill, Rodgers, Shorter, et. al., allowed those guys to run 2.09-2.10.

    Also, aside from Shorter, 27.50, those other guys were 28.00/10,000 plus runners, Hill just south of 29.00. If your best 10k is 28.30-29.00, running 2.04 is not going to happen. You need a more significant differential to your best 10k.

    Now, you have young upstarts from Kenya/Ethiopia who specialize in the marathon from age 18-20, and have a lot of natural ability, probably more than all those guys who ran around 2.09, 30-40 years ago.

    So, even without EPO, it is not surprising to see loads of E.Africans run 2.04-2.06.

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