a medal is a medal wrote:
If you look at the best times at 1500m outdoors (I know this was the 3000m indoors), it is clearthat Dibaba and Hassan are special talents. This is indeed a good result for Muir, and if she can get bronze medals outdoors in 2019 and 2020, this will be great for her.
Muir is faster than Hassan and indeed anyone else except Dibaba in the last two decades.
I don't get it when I hear suggestions such as: Don't DQ her, just place her 3rd. How can she be placed 3rd when she finish 2nd? It's either a DQ if there is enough evidence to do so, or just leave her where she finished.
rose colored boy wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Totally fine.
Let some tactics remain in athletics please.
I'm all for allowing bumping and jostling in the middle of races - disqualifying people for moves halfway through the race is petty - but track races obviously shouldn't allow physically blocking your opponent. It's not tactics, it's cheating.
Where's the blocking? If you want to go past me then run wider and faster than I am.
You are behind, I have the advantage, that's racing.
Maybe a flirting with dirty and a DQ, but not a DQ.
Pushing the limits of fairness and regulations, but not actually exceeding those.
(some say we have seen that from NOP before...)
Why did Dibaba move out? She did not have to, she had a clear lead, but maybe she did not know that.
Did Hassan move out partially because Dibaba did?
Many runners veer out at the end of races, whether they have to or not.
Generally, those in front are rarely if ever DQ'ed for blocking/impeding those behind.
If Muir would have pressed straight ahead and made contact, Muir would have been DQ'ed (like Chelimo in 5K last year)
rose colored boy wrote:
The Scot wrote:
Don't think it was intentional.
Of course it was intentional. Veering out from 40m to go, maybe acceptable; heading to the edge of the track at 30 degrees just as Muir comes to pass her with 15-20m to go, totally deliberate.
Even if not intentional she should still be disqualified. Hasan should have been aware of what is behind her before veering lanes for no good reason whatsoever.
CDA wrote:
run with the wom wrote:
I think you meant to write..."Don't think that this was not intentional"?
Hassan has massive international experience. She knows what she was doing.
Agreed. Disappointing to see that from her. DQ if I’ve ever seen one.
No DQ!
The video does not look good for Hassan, but as you approach the finish you legs go lactic and its difficult to run straight and there is a tendency to veer out to the right.
a medal is a medal wrote:
If you look at the best times at 1500m outdoors (I know this was the 3000m indoors), it is clearthat Dibaba and Hassan are special talents.
Do you really want to dismiss Muir? Her PB is quite a bit faster than Hassan's. It's second only to Dibaba among active runners.
TrackCoach wrote:
CDA wrote:
Agreed. Disappointing to see that from her. DQ if I’ve ever seen one.
No DQ!
The video does not look good for Hassan, but as you approach the finish you legs go lactic and its difficult to run straight and there is a tendency to veer out to the right.
Logical fallacy. It doesn’t matter what you use to justify her move; it was illegal nonetheless.
What if a 400m runner on the home stretch moved into someone else’s lane due to fatigue? This isn’t a 400m race, but the principle is the same.
TrackCoach wrote:
CDA wrote:
Agreed. Disappointing to see that from her. DQ if I’ve ever seen one.
No DQ!
The video does not look good for Hassan, but as you approach the finish you legs go lactic and its difficult to run straight and there is a tendency to veer out to the right.
Does the right leg go more lactic than the left?
The Dingo^3 wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I'm just happy for Dibaba, and hope this a return to glory.....I root for all of them to keep Ayana out of the mix : )
Dibaba is just as dirty as Ayana.
Both of these athletes check nearly all of my boxes for dirty.
rojo wrote:
hassangreatmove wrote:
hassan with the perfect move to deny muir silver. fierce runner
Pefect move? If Muir crashes into her, it's an automatic DQ for Hassan in my opinion.
Here is another angle.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/969312726404255745
That is total BS, she extended her arm swing at the end to block Muir, definite DQ.......
CDA wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
No DQ!
The video does not look good for Hassan, but as you approach the finish you legs go lactic and its difficult to run straight and there is a tendency to veer out to the right.
Logical fallacy. It doesn’t matter what you use to justify her move; it was illegal nonetheless.
What if a 400m runner on the home stretch moved into someone else’s lane due to fatigue? This isn’t a 400m race, but the principle is the same.
No, that's a ridiculous analogy. The 400 is run in lanes and thus the rules re lane violations are different.
http://www.ecestaticos.com/file/753ecfdec678bb9afa388efae5766386/1466790509.svghttps://imgur.com/a/vnyIC#XNFo4ILa medal is a medal wrote:
If you look at the best times at 1500m outdoors (I know this was the 3000m indoors), it is clearthat Dibaba and Hassan are special talents. This is indeed a good result for Muir, and if she can get bronze medals outdoors in 2019 and 2020, this will be great for her. Maybe the others won't be at their best anymore and gold will become possible,, but this is hardly possible to beat Dibaba when she plays her A-game.
Update with 'real' results:
1) GOLD medal- Laura Muir (the speedy 'wee sparra' Scot)
2) SILVER medal- Hellen Obiri (Kenya)
3) BRONZE medal-Shelby Houlihan (USA)
OK.
Go Shelby! On to a medal in the W1500!
Bonus content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw_fQPb1oqY
If ya wanna "Throw the Houlihan"^^^
https://www.americancowboy.com/people/cowboy-houlihan-throw-27498
The officials should have DQ'd her and not looked the other way. Otherwise, you just encourage this type of blocking behavior in other races. They probably made the determination that Muir wouldn't have passed her anyway had they run in a straight line to the finish.
Are these splits right: 3:14-2:53-2:38 ???
That's some serious running the last 2k! I didn't see the race but the last 2k was run right at 8:16 3k pace which is the women's world record. I know that's with a slow first k but that's still impressive to me.
rojo wrote:
If Muir crashes into her, it's an automatic DQ for Hassan in my opinion.
Here is another angle.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/969312726404255745
The whole incident was caused by Muir, when she tried to pass (?) from the middle of lane 1 and ran into Hassan's arms.
Then Hassan moved out to try and protect her space. I don't agree with her running across lanes, but I see why she did it.
If there is any DQ, then definitely Muir, and probably Hassan because her move across lanes was too blatant.
Let's give some special kudos to Muir - Working full time in a Glasgow Vets on placement, studying for her finals, no altitude training and still among the best in the world - edged out by a Salazar trained athlete with every possible aid at her disposal and a very suspect Dibaba. Great performance by Laura!
YMMV wrote:
Go Shelby! On to a medal in the W1500!
Where your hopes become reality!
YMMV wrote:
If the race is under 8:30, Houlihan is silver or bronze; if it is over 8:30, gold or silver.
Free at last wrote:
Let's give some special kudos to Muir - Working full time in a Glasgow Vets on placement, studying for her finals, no altitude training and still among the best in the world - edged out by a Salazar trained athlete with every possible aid at her disposal and a very suspect Dibaba. Great performance by Laura!
Unbelievable more like. Let’s be honest , anyone who can keep up with Dibaba is suspicious.
